From Noonan at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 1 00:37:00 2003 From: Noonan at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Noonan@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sat May 31 22:02:21 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Adaptor: Sony or Kenwood? Message-ID: Guys, I recently bought a Renault Clio and of course want to instal my empeg in it. Now I don´t want to loose the existing Steering Column Controls, so I got into the job of finding the correct adaptor to be used. I found that Edworthys Renault offers one of the best reliable ones, the problem is that for my 2003 model there seams to be two options, depending on the unit I want to instal: Sony or Kenwood (....empeg??). First Option: Smart Lead (PC9-101) "Stalk/Steering Wheel Control Adaptors enable the continued use of car’s existing remote control audio features when using a SONY headunit compatible with RMX-2S/4S remote ports" Second option: Smart Lead (28-RN003-KEN) "Adaptor lead to allows the driver to keep the Steering Column Controls when fitted with Kenwood Radios (KDC-6021, KDC-M6021G, KDC-MV6521, KDC-8021, KDC-M9021, KDC-PSW9521)" Which is the best choice? And an additional questions, is it necessary to have a tuner module to use this adaptor or is it possible to connect directly to the empeg. The link: https://www.edworthys.co.uk/acatalog/Fitting_Renault.html Thanks for the help.... James From tfabris at jps.net Sun Jun 1 01:36:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Sat May 31 22:02:22 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Adaptor: Sony or Kenwood? Message-ID: Noonan, you didn't say whether or not you'd already read this. If you haven't, give it a skim and see if it answers your question or not. You also didn't say whether or not you have the tuner module for the empeg. It's important to know these things in order to answer the question. :-) From ithoughti at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 1 03:36:00 2003 From: ithoughti at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (ithoughti@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 1 22:00:16 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: I'm bACK Message-ID: Welcome back my friend! I'm in Boston. Send me a PM or an email if you like. matt@siamese3.com From nospam at focus.demon.co.uk Sun Jun 1 10:07:00 2003 From: nospam at focus.demon.co.uk (Andy Norman) Date: Sun Jun 1 22:00:21 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Any DarkStorm orders delivered since mid-March ? Message-ID: Firstly, I'm not trying to p__iss Steve off, I know he has a lousy time recently... I placed an order in mid-March and I was wondering if anyone has received a DarkStorm order since then? It's nearly three months since I placed my order now. From Noonan at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 1 10:26:00 2003 From: Noonan at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Noonan@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 1 22:00:27 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Adaptor: Sony or Kenwood? Message-ID: Tony, I do not have the tuner module, and yes I have already read all it says about the issue in the FAQs. The thing is that I´ve never felt the need of owning a tuner module, but now it seams like it is required not to loose the column controls, am I right? James From laura927 at one.net Sun Jun 1 10:43:00 2003 From: laura927 at one.net (Laura White) Date: Sun Jun 1 22:00:31 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Any DarkStorm orders delivered since mid-March ? Message-ID: My order was placed in mid-January and I'm still waiting. Maybe the first person to receive an order can let the rest of us know so we'll have an idea when they might come :-) From PhilipOHare at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 1 11:14:00 2003 From: PhilipOHare at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (PhilipOHare@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 1 22:00:37 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] When is 303 back? Message-ID: This month or next? I fancy my aluminium fascia now! From Archeon at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 1 11:36:00 2003 From: Archeon at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Archeon@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 1 22:00:42 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Adaptor: Sony or Kenwood? Message-ID: Connecting to the serial port has been done before by someone, but it's not an easy process. Basically it would require you to build your own stick controller interface. The tuner module route is definitely easier because it has the stick controller interface built-in. Of course the would require you to buy a tuner module, either by buying one on eBay (probably expensive) or waiting for the tuner module kits that Patrick has made to become available again. The tuner module kits are basically DIY kits and require you yourself to solder them together. (there are people on this board that offer to do this for you as a paying service) From tfabris at jps.net Sun Jun 1 12:28:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Sun Jun 1 22:00:47 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Adaptor: Sony or Kenwood? Message-ID: thing is that I´ve never felt the need of owning a tuner module, but now it seams like it is required not to loose the column controls, am I right? If you don't have a tuner module, then you can't use the Sony wired interface. The infrared options are still available to you, if you can find an infrared converter for your car's steering column controls. Check and see if PAC makes one, or perhaps someone else. The "smart leads" you showed in the link look like they're all wired versions, not infrared. Of all the items listed on that page, only the Sony one would work, and only if you owned a tuner module. From pca at empeg.com Sun Jun 1 13:20:00 2003 From: pca at empeg.com (pca@empeg.com) Date: Sun Jun 1 22:00:53 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Latest tuner kit update Message-ID: Hi all. I must apologise for the long delay in shipping more tuner kits. I have been having a very hard time sourcing a particular component (again), this time the antenna connector. It looks like the company that seems to be the sole source has either stopped making them or is just being very slow in shipping. Everyone I can find who lists the connector is both out of stock and has no idea when they'll get any more. Anyway, to cut a long story short, I finally managed to source some 1m antenna extension leads, which of course have a socket at one end and a plug at the other, all nicely premolded. I'll be using these for future orders, and have bought a load of them to avoid more problems later. It should make building the kit easier as well, since all you need to do is cut the unused end off, strip the cable, and solder it in. The fiddly bit has already been done. The really weird thing is that these cables work out marginally cheaper than buying the cable and one connector separately :-) The next 50 orders will be shipping over the next 10 days. pca From fusto at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 1 13:21:00 2003 From: fusto at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (fusto@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 1 22:00:58 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: When is 303 back? Message-ID: Yeah me too! I ordered before he left, but his anodizer couldnt get it done in time, so I'm still waiting. He also said that he lost the emails of the last batch of people who ordered, so you might want to drop him an email if you've paid and are still waiting. This is my last email from him: Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 5:14 AM hi Z. i did not send it because the guy who do the anodizing wasn´t ready by the time i left germany. ani am very sorry about that. on top of it i forgot all the e-mail adresses from you guys who ordered a NewFace. i will send your NewFace first thing when i am back in germany! now i am on a 2.5 months job in South Africa and Namibia, that means i can not ship it before end of June. i will let you know when i ship it!!! i really hope you can stand the waiting and again i am very sorry. cheers, Tim From genixia at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 1 13:26:00 2003 From: genixia at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (genixia@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 1 22:01:03 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: I'm bACK Message-ID: I'm in Boston too. Enjoying the weather? From fusto at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 1 13:26:00 2003 From: fusto at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (fusto@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 1 22:01:08 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Any DarkStorm orders delivered since mid-March ? Message-ID: I ordered on April 2nd, got an email verification immediately, and nothing since. Fortunately I am a very patient person. From bjoern at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 1 14:10:00 2003 From: bjoern at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (bjoern@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 1 22:01:13 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Latest tuner kit update Message-ID: Hurray! Great news! Can't wait! I'm number 92! :-) From loren at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 1 14:22:00 2003 From: loren at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (loren@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 1 22:01:18 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: When is 303 back? Message-ID: I'm finally ready to order mine too.... can't wait! Did he ever get a shorter knob solution worked out? From phi144 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 1 14:34:00 2003 From: phi144 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (phi144@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 1 22:01:24 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Any DarkStorm orders delivered since mid-March ? Message-ID: I have 2 orders. 2/18/2003 and 3/18/2003. Also still waiting, patiently. From marria01 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 1 14:53:00 2003 From: marria01 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (marria01@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 1 22:01:30 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Latest tuner kit update Message-ID: Any chance of getting one of these antenna cables? Mine was kit 15 and I found the connector a little fiddly and intermittent. From Casting_Fool at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 1 16:44:00 2003 From: Casting_Fool at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Casting_Fool@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 1 22:01:34 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Casting of fascia < clear buttons Message-ID: An update... We're still catching things up work < money-wise from the 6 weeks that I lost when ill in February/March. I haven't had time to formally start on the fascia project, but hope to be able to do so this month. Dang bills kept getting in the way... :OP We're currently listening to Paul's customized Rio, something about a lion, a witch and a closet... This is the first that I've had the time to set up the Rio in the house and listen to it. Simply amazing sound quality, and an unbelievable quantity of MP3's! I wouldn't think that so many files would fit into the player, though I've forgotten what Paul upgraded the drives to. I hadn't realized (though I guess that I should have) that one can add recorded/dramatized books to the unit. I suppose that this could be extended to inspirational tapes, etc.. Pretty neat stuff. We're almost caught up on all of the jobs that were affected by the loss of time, and we're finally getting started on some new jobs, including the Rio fascia/buttons. I'll update again about mid-June. From pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 1 17:10:00 2003 From: pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (pgrzelak@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 1 22:01:39 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Casting of fascia < clear buttons Message-ID: Greetings! The one you are playing with is a 160GB unit - dual 80GB hard drives. It has about 1,500 CDs on it. You can see the complete list here. There is also a copy in the /drive0/install directory. If you have any questions about the player, how it works, etc., feel free to drop a note on the board, or send me an email. Sorry to hear about the illness. Questions, comments, let me know. Also, now that you have an illuminated unit in front of you, you can probably see for yourself about the button castings, the illimination hack and how people were trying to get a more evenly dispersed lighting of the buttons / knob... From Oli at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 1 17:32:00 2003 From: Oli at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Oli@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 1 22:01:44 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Latest tuner kit update Message-ID: Hi Patrick, Please can I have/buy one of these leads also, as I have found it very difficult to get a reliable connection of the screen causing intermittent reception. Thanks, Oli. From PKi at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 1 17:48:00 2003 From: PKi at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (PKi@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 1 22:01:50 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Adaptor: Sony or Kenwood? Message-ID: Hey ! You can use the sony interface and build an simple interface to RS232. There are only a few parts needed and the interface fits in an sub-d plug. The problem is only hijack kernels in version v300 or newer are using the serial port so u cant use the interface, but there will be an option availible soon.... I am using the sony stick control in an audi B4 with empeg Mk1. From Archeon at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 1 18:04:00 2003 From: Archeon at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Archeon@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 1 22:01:55 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Adaptor: Sony or Kenwood? Message-ID: All the info needed to build such an interface can be found by using the link I provided the post I made above. From mtempsch at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 1 18:16:00 2003 From: mtempsch at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mtempsch@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 1 22:01:59 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: When is 303 back? Message-ID: I don't think that he ever said anything about it, but looking at it, it looks like there should be no problem shortening it. I think the original length was due to being able to get a grip on a smooth knob - with the cut-outs one can keep it shorter and still get good grip. /Michael From fusto at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 1 18:57:00 2003 From: fusto at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (fusto@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 1 22:02:05 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: When is 303 back? Message-ID: Are they all coming with the cutout knobs now? I thought that was a special one-off. From fusto at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 1 19:03:00 2003 From: fusto at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (fusto@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 1 22:02:11 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Casting of fascia < clear buttons Message-ID: You can see the complete list here.Youve got PDQ Bach mp3's!! Brilliant!! I always was a fan of the left-handed sewer flute. ;-) From Centrknol at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 1 21:12:00 2003 From: Centrknol at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Centrknol@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 1 22:02:15 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Any DarkStorm orders delivered since mid-March ? Message-ID: In reply to:Firstly, I'm not trying to piss Steve off, I know he has a lousy time recently... me 2! I still got an open order from december 10th 2002.... Now that his site is back up and running I'm hoping he also can find some time to make the lenses :-) From fusto at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 1 21:47:00 2003 From: fusto at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (fusto@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 1 22:02:21 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Any DarkStorm orders delivered since mid-March ? Message-ID: I still got an open order from december 10th 2002Ding Ding Ding!!! We have a winner!! :-) From maczrool at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 1 23:02:00 2003 From: maczrool at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (maczrool@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 1 22:02:26 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Casting of fascia < clear buttons Message-ID: In reply to:> We're currently listening to Paul's customized Rio, something about a lion, a witch and a closet... That's a lion, a witch, and a wardrobe, is it not? Are those audio books or something? I haven't read those since fourth grade. Good books though. Stu From loren at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 1 23:16:00 2003 From: loren at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (loren@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 1 22:02:32 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: When is 303 back? Message-ID: I seem to remember asking if he could do more of the knobby knobs and he said no problem. I need to go re-read the thread though From loren at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 1 23:16:00 2003 From: loren at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (loren@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 1 22:02:37 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Latest tuner kit update Message-ID: ditto From mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 1 23:49:00 2003 From: mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mlord@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 1 22:02:42 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: 100 Docks Served! Message-ID: I've updated the status page again today with a new photo from the shop (http://rtr.ca/docks/). As I work through the various milling processes, there'll be similar regular photo updates to amuse/pacify the 90+ folks waiting for docks! ;-) This weekend's project was to cut out 115 pairs of top/bottom pieces, and to hollow out the undersides of the tops for the hidden airflow channel. Cheers From Gazz at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 2 00:01:00 2003 From: Gazz at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Gazz@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 1 22:02:47 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: TTSClock r6 Message-ID: What's the sexiest voice to use with TTS Clock and is there any way to get it to speak the time other than at Ingition, what would be cool is a button in my car that fires TTS Clock (stops the music, speaks the time starts the music) I guess I could ask my Girlfriend to record some custom voice files, has anybody done that? Gazz. From Gleep at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 2 00:26:00 2003 From: Gleep at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Gleep@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 1 22:02:52 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Casting of fascia < clear buttons Message-ID: You can see the complete list here. Nice collection, but I was suprised to see all the ELP yet no Triumvirat. From SE_Sport_Driver at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 2 00:56:00 2003 From: SE_Sport_Driver at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (SE_Sport_Driver@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 1 22:02:57 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: 100 Docks Served! Message-ID: I'm glad to see you're gearing up for another run. I'm loving my dock and I'm looking to get another one for DJ work. How hard would it be to add a On/Off switch kind like Loren (I think it was him, been awhile) did on his own docking station that was rackmounted? From tfabris at jps.net Mon Jun 2 01:00:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Sun Jun 1 22:03:03 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Adaptor: Sony or Kenwood? Message-ID: Hey ! You can use the sony interface and build an simple interface to RS232. If you have access to a microcontroller programmer and know how to use it. I got the feeling from reading his original post that this was unlikely in his case. From Casting_Fool at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 2 01:08:00 2003 From: Casting_Fool at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Casting_Fool@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 1 22:03:08 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Casting of fascia < clear buttons Message-ID: Yes, wardrobe. I was goofing off, actually. I read the Narnia books and the LotR books through at least once a year (and I've read the first 4 Harry Potter books through 7 times, starting #8 to coincide with the next book's release. I sponsor a kid's Harry Potter/Redemption league at a local hobby shop, and it helps to be knowledgeable about the topic). Focus on the Family's Radio Theater, and the BBC, both have independent audio versions of the books available. I'm not sure about the BBC versions, but the FotF Radio Theater ones are available through mail order and some religious book stores. From ithoughti at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 2 01:26:00 2003 From: ithoughti at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (ithoughti@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 1 22:03:13 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: I'm bACK Message-ID: I swear if the weather doesn't improve dramatically and soon, I'm going to go crazy. I have this huge roof deck on my building that is right outside Fenway Park, and all I want to do is go out there, cookout in the sun and listen to the sounds of the baseball game, but I'm pretty sure that it's going to rain forever. From loren at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 2 03:19:00 2003 From: loren at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (loren@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:00:31 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: 100 Docks Served! Message-ID: Yeah, that was me... and it's funny you mention that. I was thinking the exact same thing the other day at work. I'd rather turn it off when i go out for long lunches or the like than to leave it in standby. I think it would be very easy to do yourself... just pick up a switch at a rat shack or electronics store and put it in the path of the AC socket and mount it on the back. I'll probably get around to doing that someday soon... i've got a few switches laying around that would be perfect. From thinfourth2 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 2 05:37:00 2003 From: thinfourth2 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (thinfourth2@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:00:38 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: I'm bACK Message-ID: Well for the short time i was there i did not see a single drop of rain. I will say however say i thought boston airport was in a word crap the bit i saw had no where to buy toys From paulw at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 2 06:27:00 2003 From: paulw at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (paulw@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:00:44 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Latest tuner kit update Message-ID: Patrick I just wanted to express my appreciation for the incredible effort and attention to detail you're putting into this. Fabulous! Paul (Order #70) From PhilipOHare at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 2 07:10:00 2003 From: PhilipOHare at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (PhilipOHare@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:00:49 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Latest tuner kit update Message-ID: Me too From PhilipOHare at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 2 07:21:00 2003 From: PhilipOHare at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (PhilipOHare@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:00:54 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: When is 303 back? Message-ID: I emailed him about the knob. Basically its no problem for him to shorten it. I also want a handle though. From pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 2 07:58:00 2003 From: pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (pgrzelak@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:01:00 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Casting of fascia < clear buttons Message-ID: Greetings! Let's see... If I remember correctly, the Chronicals of Narnia on the player is the BBC Radio dramatization that I picked up on amazon.co.uk. They did not have a US version at the time. I also have a Lord of the Rings set on there, along with an interesting bit of tLotR that Tolkien < his son read directly. The telling "Of Beren and Luthien" read by his son Chris is exceptional. There are also both the US and UK versions of the 4 Harry Potter books. Book 5 will be added late June for the US version, September for the UK version (it is being released mid-September...). I have some stray books too. All of the Douglas Adam's HHGTTG and the Dirk Gentlys. Some Ray Bradbury. Twilight Zone radio dramatizations. And a bunch of old Radio Shows (Mysteries, Science Fiction, Suspense, etc.). Those are classic... Sorry. I have a lot of ELP and other prog, but I am not familiar with Triumvirat. From FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 2 08:38:00 2003 From: FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (FerretBoy@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:01:05 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Casting of fascia < clear buttons Message-ID: I know this is totally off topic, but do you listen to "Chronicles" in the order you have them on your player? It's interesting because he wrote them in a different order and they've only recently (or perhaps not so recently, but I have an older collection in the origional order) been put into chronological order. I actually thought they were interesting to read in chronological order, but there's something about mucking with an author's original work that makes me uncomfortable. I also must say I'm surprised how people here have read those books. I never realized how popular they are. I suppose that's why they're going to make a new movie of them soon. From pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 2 09:12:00 2003 From: pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (pgrzelak@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:01:11 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Casting of fascia < clear buttons Message-ID: Greetings! The set that I have presents them in chronological order (Magician's Nephew first - MN, LWW, HDVD. Granted, by today's standards, the production is, uh, low budget. Think Dr. Who meets C.S.Lewis, and you are on the right track. In fact, Tom Baker plays Puddleglum in the SC... From Ezekiel at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 2 09:23:00 2003 From: Ezekiel at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Ezekiel@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:01:18 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: TTSClock r7 Message-ID: Can it be done more elegantly than getting SB to say the time 71 times for each 'mood' and then do .wav file editing? Mr. Bad may let use use the sounds if we ask really nicely... -Zeke From Noonan at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 2 09:46:00 2003 From: Noonan at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Noonan@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:01:24 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Adaptor: Sony or Kenwood? Message-ID: Thanks for all your help, I guess I´ll wait for the tuner module to be available again and pick the PC9-101 adaptor. I´ll let you all know about the progress. James From pca at empeg.com Mon Jun 2 10:06:00 2003 From: pca at empeg.com (pca@empeg.com) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:01:30 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Latest tuner kit update Message-ID: OK, anyone who wants a new antenna lead, paypal (pca at pcats dot co dot uk) the sum of £5, and I'll post you one. pca From maczrool at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 2 10:07:00 2003 From: maczrool at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (maczrool@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:01:34 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Just a little while longer Message-ID: For those of you who don't know, the bare PCBs for the knob illumination are available here. Stu From FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 2 10:38:00 2003 From: FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (FerretBoy@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:01:38 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Casting of fascia < clear buttons Message-ID: As for the movies, I did not know they were remaking it. Yup. Co-Director of Shrek is directing it seems, and they're planning on doing all seven books. I'd guess they're going to do them in the origional order since they're starting with LWW. From mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 2 10:56:00 2003 From: mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mlord@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:01:42 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: 100 Docks Served! Message-ID: As Loren says, adding a switch to the rear is not overly difficult, if you want to power-cycle the player more often instead of just leaving it in standby. At present, I am not offering this as a "factory option" though. Cheers From mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 2 11:00:00 2003 From: mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mlord@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:01:49 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Barry Barnreiter Message-ID: Your dock is ready and waiting, but not for much longer. Email me if you get this message. From PhilipOHare at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 2 13:18:00 2003 From: PhilipOHare at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (PhilipOHare@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:01:53 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] assign names to radio stations Message-ID: Is there a way to tell the empeg to display any name I choose for a station of a chosen frequency? RDS isn't on MW, so can I tell the empeg that 810khz is Radio Scotland and to show that? Sorry if this is obvious, but I've yet to install the tuner and am just curious. From robricc at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 2 13:35:00 2003 From: robricc at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (robricc@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:01:58 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: assign names to radio stations Message-ID: I thought when you set a preset, the empeg prompts you to give it a name. If RDS does come in the RDS overrides the name you specify, but that should not be a problem on a station without RDS support. From ashmoore at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 2 13:36:00 2003 From: ashmoore at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (ashmoore@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:02:05 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: I'm bACK Message-ID: I can't help wondering about that wet stuff, could you send some this way? We were forecast 103 and 105 this weeked :-D From PhilipOHare at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 2 13:39:00 2003 From: PhilipOHare at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (PhilipOHare@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:02:10 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: assign names to radio stations Message-ID: That sounds about right. 10 more minutes and I can leave work to install my PCATS tuner! From tfabris at jps.net Mon Jun 2 14:19:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:02:14 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Adaptor: Sony or Kenwood? Message-ID: I guess I´ll wait for the tuner module to be available again Um, Patrick's making kits now. You should get your order into the queue pretty quick if you're going to be doing it at all. (Link is at top of this page.) From tfabris at jps.net Mon Jun 2 14:24:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:02:20 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: assign names to radio stations Message-ID: If RDS does come in the RDS overrides the name you specify, but that should not be a problem on a station without RDS support. IIRC, it only does this on certain info screens, not all of them. Not certain... From thinfourth2 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 2 15:09:00 2003 From: thinfourth2 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (thinfourth2@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:02:25 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Empeg and ibook Message-ID: okay looking at a new laptop and very tempted by an ibook but being one of the empeg cult how does empeg get on with OS X as mac calls it want to do all the usual stuff like streaming file taxi etc Also is it possible to update firmware using ibooks Unempeg question next how do they get on when networed to windoze 2000 machines From tfabris at jps.net Mon Jun 2 15:16:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:02:30 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Empeg and ibook Message-ID: but being one of the empeg cult how does empeg get on with OS X as mac calls it Just fine if you use Jemplode. want to do all the usual stuff like streaming file taxi etc Streaming and file taxi are specifically done with the Hijack kernel, using standard HTTP and FTP protocols. Those are computer-independent and should work just fine on your Mac. Also is it possible to update firmware using ibooks Not at the moment. You currently need a Windows PC with a serial port to run the full upgrade utility. I seem to remember someone had written a way to upgrade the player using hijack and some FTP trickery, but I could be thinking of something else. From mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 2 15:35:00 2003 From: mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mlord@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:02:36 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Empeg and ibook Message-ID: JEmplode can do most of the stuff you need (on an iBook), and Hijack has no issues streaming music to iTunes. Once you have installed Hijack, firmware updates (new versions of Hijack) can be installed using any FTP client, like a web browser. New software upgrades currently require Windows or Linux (which runs on the iBook, btw). Cheers From wfaulk at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 2 15:44:00 2003 From: wfaulk at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (wfaulk@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:02:41 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Empeg and ibook Message-ID: More importantly, it takes a serial port, which iBooks don't have, unless you buy a USB serial dongle. From Noonan at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 2 16:25:00 2003 From: Noonan at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Noonan@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:02:46 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Adaptor: Sony or Kenwood? Message-ID: Will do.... thanks! Jaime From somewhereth at sflat Mon Jun 2 16:58:00 2003 From: somewhereth at sflat (Rob Schofield) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:02:52 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Hotel bookings Message-ID: Stanstead - Eindhoven GBP 9.99 Eindhoven - Amersfoort via Utrecht E 13.20 /1.5 hours From somewhereth at sflat Mon Jun 2 17:04:00 2003 From: somewhereth at sflat (Rob Schofield) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:02:57 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Hotel bookings Message-ID: Get out of plane, walk to collect your luggage (300m) walk out of Arrivals (25m) walk 10m to train ticket machines, pay with cash card/credit card, go down the escalator and you're on Schiphol station. Wait a max of 25 minutes, catch a direct intercity to Amersfoort, or wait longer for a rapid stopping train direct to Amersfoort Schothorst. If you are arriving Friday afternoon, get the train to Schothorst. If you are arriving later, go to Amersfoort and join us at the ribs restaurant (or the bar if you're very late!) From somewhereth at sflat Mon Jun 2 17:32:00 2003 From: somewhereth at sflat (Rob Schofield) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:03:02 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Hotel bookings Message-ID: First off, without reservation, _> I am goiong to eat crow._. I have flown off the handle, again, in public, at Pim, for no reason. So in public, I would like to offer to Pim heartfelt apologies to my rudeness in response to his post. There was no need, and no reason for it and I hope that he forgives me. Pim, you and Gaby are without any reservations, wholly welcome to the event, as is everyone else on this board. To set the record straight, I have just been round to the hotel and had a chat with the manager for nearly an hour about this, and here is the straight story. Envergure owns Campanile. They also own other chains. Campanile is unique in this group in that it is franchised to owner-operators. Above a basic price, the operator is allowed to set his own prices. Hence, in the Netherlands, the basic room price at any hotel in the Campanile chain must never be lower than E55. This is what is advertised by Envergure on their website. At each hotel, however, there are different room sizes, standards, etc. Hence, each hotel is allowed to set prices based on how they rate themselves - based on their facilities, and their location, and in competition (friendly) with other Campanile operators, and local hotels in their own areas. In Amersfoort, the room prices are lower than Breda, even though Breda is a newer hotel. However, in Leuwarden the Campanile there charges less than Amersfoort in spite of being a larger hotel. Despite of their prices, the Amersfoort Campanile actually has the lowest room prices in the area (within a 16 km radius). You can find cheaper rooms in Nijkerk, but then you aren't at the event and your taxi costs will be quite high to get back at the end of the party (and believe me, there will be no-one sober enough to drive you back at the end of the barby, so DON"T ASK). The local room prices are, in Amersfoort, E74. We have got, by virtue of making a group booking, the group booking rate, with a breakfast per room thrown in. So, at E66 per room (for two occupants) with one breakfast, you are actually saving nearly E15 per night, which is better off in your pocket to allow you to buy, say, 10 beers down at the Drie Ringen brewery. The manager is unsure as to why Envergure is offering the basic room price (E55) as a standard price, because as far as he is aware, there is no Campanile offering a room at that price in NL, and it is an internal company cost price required by Envergure per room per night. Hence, if he had received a room booking through Envergure, he would have accepted the booking, but then you would have been hit with a bill for E74 (his standard room price). So, to cap it all: local price, double room, per night, E 74. Breakfast extra per person, E6.95. empeg group booking, E66 per room per night, with one breakfast free (you pay the second yourself). Single occupancy is E33 + E19 with one breakfast free. I hope that sorts things out for you all. I should have posted this straight off: I was totally unaware that the Envergure website was posting that price, and frankly - I don't give a toss! This way you get a room guaranteed, at an agreed price. I hope it suits you all. Keep booking those rooms folks - you are now allowed to book until June 6th (please use the website instead of mailing me direct). Any special wishes, mail me seperately AFTER you have booked through the web site. From somewhereth at sflat Mon Jun 2 17:35:00 2003 From: somewhereth at sflat (Rob Schofield) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:03:08 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: I'm bACK Message-ID: Get your booking in for a hotel room for the empeg meet. Don't forget to bring a show model of your Dad's empeg rack! From mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 2 20:03:00 2003 From: mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mlord@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:03:12 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Hotel bookings Message-ID: Thanks for the update, Rob! A note about the website booking: there does not appear to be an obvious way for me (or others) to specify that they are coming alone but would like to share a double room with some other random willing person. Cheers From mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 2 20:04:00 2003 From: mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mlord@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:03:18 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Empeg and ibook Message-ID: New software upgrades do NOT require a serial port under Linux. Just windows. From mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 2 20:35:00 2003 From: mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mlord@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:03:24 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Another update Message-ID: I've added a new shop photo from today to the docks site. And.. sent out five new "requests for payment". No, the new batch of 100+ docks is nowhere near ready for assembly, but now that the tops/bottoms have been completed, I was able to use a few of them together with some "leftover" sides/backs from the previous run to glue-up a few more docks. These will be the final ones completed for several weeks, until the new side pieces, backs, and docking panels are cut and milled -- those are ALL very complex items and will take some time to make. Cheers From tfabris at jps.net Mon Jun 2 20:37:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:03:29 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Another update Message-ID: I've added a new shop photo from today to the docks site. A funny you should mention that as it might be coming along with a big for sale sign on it ! Time for a bigger rack due to impending purchase of bigger telly that don't fit on old rack From taym at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 2 21:39:00 2003 From: taym at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (taym@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:03:40 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] New Audi A3 instrumentation color and empeg lenses Message-ID: Ok, so I decided to get a new Audi A3. Not that I was planning to get a new car now, but I was forced to do so. While waiting that it arrives to my dealer (and that my bank account dries as a consequence), I am wondering if anybody has any suggestion regarding what lens color I should use. The new A3 has white/red instrumentation, so I was thinking to use red lenses on the empeg. I assume that the new A3's red is the same as the "old" A3, so maybe somebody here had the chance to test the different red lenses available and has some recommendation? Also, just out of curiosity, is there any color which could match the white, instead? I was assuming not, but maybe... Thank you all in advance (and once again thanks for the kind words concerining my car theft in the topic linked above). From newguy1 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 2 23:39:00 2003 From: newguy1 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (newguy1@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:03:45 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Low left channel volume Message-ID: Hi.This problem started happening a couple weeks ago.When the player starts up, the left channel is lower in volume than the right channel.It's not completely dead just lower in volume.After a little while(varies from 5 minutes to 20 minutes)the volume returns to normal and both channels are equal.I swapped the left and right leads from the back and the problem followed the left channel eliminating(I think) my amps and speakers as the problem.I didn't check the FAQ because I wasn't sure how to search for this problem.Anybody care to offer any feedback? Also, I have yet to contact support,but I suppose that will be my only solution. From canuckInLA at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 00:02:00 2003 From: canuckInLA at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (canuckInLA@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:03:50 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Another update Message-ID: I think the only thing he's missing in that shop is an empeg controlled milling machine... ;-) From wfaulk at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 00:25:00 2003 From: wfaulk at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (wfaulk@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:03:55 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Empeg and ibook Message-ID: Don't you have to use the serial port to at least put Hijack on the empeg in the first place in order to do a non-serial upgrade? From mwest at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 02:27:00 2003 From: mwest at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mwest@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:04:02 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Sync Problem Message-ID: My empeg suddenly won't sync.... I've read the faq and a lot of the threads that seem similar to my problem are way over my head usally involving linux. I have a MKIIa with a 80 gb hard drive. It seems to work fine other than the sync problem. When I try to sync, emplode finds my player and begins to check media. It takes a long time to begin to show any progress. When it does it moves pretty quickly. Emplode then says that its remounting the drives... but while it does this the player reboots and then Emplode dies. The error reads: EMPLODE caused an invalid page fault in module EMPLODE.EXE at 017f:0045af70. Registers: EAX=00000000 CS=017f EIP=0045af70 EFLGS=00010246 EBX=00000000 SS=0187 ESP=0074ed8c EBP=00000000 ECX=00000000 DS=0187 ESI=008787f0 FS=62f7 EDX=00878700 ES=0187 EDI=008783c0 GS=0000 Bytes at CS:EIP: 8b 41 08 85 c0 75 03 88 41 46 40 89 41 08 c3 90 Stack dump: 0045e4aa 008783c0 008783c0 00000000 008787f0 0074edd0 004aa57b 00000000 00443567 00000000 00000000 008783c0 00878860 00000000 00000001 008783c0 I've opened the player and tried the connections and switched the ide cable end from first to second place with the same results. Any help? From mwest at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 02:34:00 2003 From: mwest at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mwest@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:04:06 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Sync Problem Message-ID: The boot log looks like this... empeg-car bootstrap v1.02 20001106 (hugo@empeg.com) If there is anyone present who wants to upgrade the flash, let them speak now, or forever hold their peace...it seems not. Let fly the Penguins of Linux! e000 v1.04 Copying kernel... Calling linux kernel... Uncompressing Linux..................................... done, booting the kerne l. Linux version 2.2.17-rmk5-np17-empeg52-hijack-v320 (root@cushman) (gcc version 2 .95.3 20010315 (release)) #1 Mon Mar 10 06:11:37 EST 2003 Processor: Intel StrongARM-1100 revision 11 NetWinder Floating Point Emulator V0.94.1 (c) 1998 Corel Computer Corp. empeg-car player (hardware revision 9, serial number 10101450) Command line: mem=16m Calibrating delay loop... 207.67 BogoMIPS Memory: 15024k/16M available (972k code, 20k reserved, 364k data, 4k init) Dentry hash table entries: 2048 (order 2, 16k) Buffer cache hash table entries: 16384 (order 4, 64k) Page cache hash table entries: 4096 (order 2, 16k) POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.2 Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039 NET4: Linux TCP/IP 1.0 for NET4.0 IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP TCP: Hash tables configured (ehash 16384 bhash 16384) IrDA (tm) Protocols for Linux-2.2 (Dag Brattli) Starting kswapd v 1.5 SA1100 serial driver version 4.27 with no serial options enabled ttyS00 at 0xf8010000 (irq = 15) is a SA1100 UART ttyS01 at 0xf8050000 (irq = 17) is a SA1100 UART ttyS02 at 0xf8030000 (irq = 16) is a SA1100 UART Signature is 67706d65 'empg' Scheduling custom logo. empeg display initialised. empeg dsp audio initialised empeg dsp mixer initialised empeg dsp initialised empeg audio-in initialised, CS4231A revision a0 empeg remote control/panel button initialised. empeg usb initialised, PDIUSBD12 id 1012 empeg state support initialised 0089/88c1 (save to d0005600). empeg RDS driver initialised empeg power-pic driver initialised (first boot) RAM disk driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 4096K size empeg single channel IDE Probing primary interface... hda: IC25N080ATMR04-0, ATA DISK drive ide0 at 0x000-0x007,0x038 on irq 6 hda: IC25N080ATMR04-0, 76319MB w/7884kB Cache, CHS=9729/255/63 empeg-flash driver initialized smc chip id/revision 0x3349 smc9194.c:v0.12 03/06/96 by Erik Stahlman (erik@vt.edu) SMC9194: SMC91C94(r:9) at 0x4008000 IRQ:7 INTF:TP MEM:6144b MAC 00:02:d7:22:05:a a Partition check: hda: hda1 < hda5 hda6 < hda2 hda3 hda4 RAMDISK: ext2 filesystem found at block 0 RAMDISK: Loading 320 blocks [1 disk] into ram disk... done. VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem). empeg-pump v0.03 (19980601) Press Ctrl-A to enter pump...VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly. change_root: old root has d_count=1 Trying to unmount old root ... okay Freeing unused kernel memory: 4k init empeg-preinit starting... mount: /programs0: No such file or directory Using /etc/preinit.d as startup script directory empeg-preinit complete empeg init 0.8 I see this is a developer image! Mounting proc Mounting first music partition Tried to mount /dev/hda4 as reiserfs but got error 19 Mounting second music partition Tried to mount /dev/hdc4 but got error 6 Error mounting partitions (possibly already mounted) Remounting first music partition read-only Remounting second music partition read-only No secondary hard disk Press 'q' now to go into development mode. You Have Zero Seconds To Comply... Starting player hijack_exec("/bin/bash -c "/usr/local/bin/start_empire 10 <""), rc=0 (okay) khttpd: listening on port 80 kftpd: listening on port 21 start_empire: sleeping for 10 seconds... player.cpp : 385:empeg-car 2.00 2003/04/01. ! tags.cpp : 61:Failed to open tags (0xc0041002). start_empire: Starting Empire... IrDA: Registered device irda0 irlap_driver_rcv(), Unknown frame ef received! Prolux 4 empeg car - 2.1434 Mar 26 2003 Vcb: 0x4086d000 From Lupo at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 06:02:00 2003 From: Lupo at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Lupo@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:04:12 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: New Audi A3 instrumentation color and empeg lenses Message-ID: Hi! I don't have a red lens unfortunately, otherwise I would compare the colour in my dad's Audi. I think red should be ok; I was thinking that if you added illumination you could keep the buttons white, and the display red so it would sort of match the looks. Another question: how is the situation about the original A3 stereo? I mean, isn't that really heavily integrated? I hope not, of course, but I only saw cars with nav system, so maybe there are differences? From skibum at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 06:04:00 2003 From: skibum at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (skibum@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:04:16 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Problems with riocar.org? Message-ID: Is it me, or has riocar.org got problems currently. I keep getting :- Warning: Too many connections in /home/drakino/riocarorg/html/mainfile.php on line 42 Warning: MySQL Connection Failed: Too many connections in /home/drakino/riocarorg/html/mainfile.php on line 42 Unable to select database From taym at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 06:52:00 2003 From: taym at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (taym@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:04:22 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: New Audi A3 instrumentation color and empeg lenses Message-ID: I was thinking that if you added illumination you could keep the buttons white, and the display red so it would sort of match the looks. That's a good idea, but to tell you the complete truth I don't like illuminated buttons that much. I really love the great work behind getting them on an empeg, but I prefer the way non-illuminated buttons look like since they let the display stand out at night. Just my humble idea, of course :-) Also, I have a Anoface (Newface) which I really like and I was thinking to use that, which is black and hopefully will look nice. how is the situation about the original A3 stereo? I mean, isn't that really heavily integrated? I hope not, of course, but I only saw cars with nav system, so maybe there are differences? Fortunately it is not heavily integrated. It is slightly larger than a standard DIN, but Audi provides some plastic components that will fill the holes on the sides od any standard DIN head unit (like the empeg). Since I was planning to install my empeg, I got the bas stereo system. I am now wondering how good is the amp+speakers installed by Audi (I don't know how many amps, 6 speakers, no sub). If it's decent, which I expect in such a high quality car, I may keep those at least initially to save some money... From thinfourth2 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 07:01:00 2003 From: thinfourth2 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (thinfourth2@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:04:27 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Best Portable player right now? Message-ID: What are the chances of it appearing somewhere in holland next month From altman at empeg.com Tue Jun 3 07:06:00 2003 From: altman at empeg.com (Hugo Fiennes) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:04:33 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Best Portable player right now? Message-ID: High, considering it's almost in beta now... Hugo From pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 07:37:00 2003 From: pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (pgrzelak@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:04:37 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Low left channel volume Message-ID: Greetings! Do you notice this in the house / AC power, or is it only in the docking station / DC power? The reason I ask is that there are two sets of outputs - this might identify if it is in a specific set of outputs, or if it is in the player itself before the output stage. You may also want to try it out in another car (if you know someone nearby with a player) to eliminate the car installation completely. From pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 07:41:00 2003 From: pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (pgrzelak@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:04:43 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Sync Problem Message-ID: Ow. Have you tried doing a disk check (FSCK) by hand? That might fix the problem. Hmmm... In all my time playing with the 80s, I have never had the player do a disk check during sync. Most of the music I have is already on the player, and I am in shell often enough that I do the checks there. I never tested this bit... I wonder if the emplode disk check itself is sick... Hmm... Time to test... From pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 07:44:00 2003 From: pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (pgrzelak@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:04:47 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Problems with riocar.org? Message-ID: Greetings! It is not just you. From Lupo at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 07:45:00 2003 From: Lupo at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Lupo@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:04:52 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: New Audi A3 instrumentation color and empeg lenses Message-ID: Oh, it has an amp already? Wow, didn't know that! In that case I presume you'll need some adapters, because I think that the amp will have only speaker-level inputs. I may be wrong, though. I noticed a really huge difference on my dad's cars, he once had an Audi with the factory BOSE sound system, and it was pretty decent (for a factory install); his car now hasn't that goodie and, well, you clearly hear the difference. OTOH, the factory speakers on my Lupo were pretty good; as long as I kept my Blaupunkt they were enough. So you may have luck! :-) I see you have a radio module too; as I live in europe too, how is the reception with the module? From SE7EN at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 07:57:00 2003 From: SE7EN at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (SE7EN@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:04:58 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: New Audi A3 instrumentation color and empeg lenses Message-ID: Hi, I bought the new A3 last friday. I had already an A3 before. For the color I think red lense will be good. But how do you intend to install your empeg ? I have a Concert radio on my new car, and I wonder how it is possible to do. Do you want to remove the Concert radio or to keep it with your empeg ? I don't have the Bose system and the sound is good, but I think I'll change for Bose if it is possible. I'm thinking about the Phatbox too... From taym at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 08:05:00 2003 From: taym at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (taym@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:05:03 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: New Audi A3 instrumentation color and empeg lenses Message-ID: I don't know anything about the amp. I was told it comes with one by the dealer, but I did not ask more since I am anyway planning to install my own system. I would not be surproised if the guy was worng. I'll let you know if you're interested. I did not even buy the Bose system because it required to buy a more expensive head unit and anyway I did not want to spend anything on it since my installation would have been surely better.. And the empeg deserves the best, right? :-) see you have a radio module too; as I live in europe too, how is the reception with the module? I USED to have one. That was stolen with my car, since as you know the radio module is permanently in the car. My radio module must be on the desk of somebody who has no clue about what the heck that thing is. I'll definitely buy another one, because the quality of reception was excellent, at least according to my experience. I also loved the display in radio mode. I really enjoyed the empeg as a radio, I have to say. The REAL problem is RDS+V2.00final. AF doesn't really work well, and it will keep changing stations automatically trying to find a better reception BUT without realizing it should nonetheless stay on the station you chose firstly :-D . Radio experience with v.2.00final becomes somewhat hysterically funny until it drives you completely crazy and you give up. :-D Since one of the bugs od RDS in v.2.00final is that you can't switch neither RDS nor AF off, I had to revert to 2.00b13, which works fine (but has no AF and TA functions yet, which is not a big problem anyway). Anyway, knowing our good old empeg team, I am sure problems on V2.00 final will be solved in 3.00beta. Aside from this, I really recommend that you get a radio module. I have been enthusiastic about it. From PhilipOHare at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 08:10:00 2003 From: PhilipOHare at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (PhilipOHare@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:05:09 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Best Portable player right now? Message-ID: Any 'unofficial' UK release dates? From Lupo at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 08:11:00 2003 From: Lupo at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Lupo@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:05:14 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: New Audi A3 instrumentation color and empeg lenses Message-ID: I USED to have one. That was stolen with my car, since as you know the radio module is permanently in the car. My radio module must be on the desk of somebody who has no clue about what the heck that thing is. I'm sorry....I din't remember that the module is permanently in the car... I'm in Patrick's list for one of his tuner kits...hope the moment arrives soon :-) You can let me know what kind of an install there is as standard in the A3. I used to go at my dealer (VW and Audi) almost every day, but now since I don't live at home anymore (studying in Germany) I haven't that possibility anymore }:-( From PhilipOHare at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 08:11:00 2003 From: PhilipOHare at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (PhilipOHare@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:05:19 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Problems with riocar.org? Message-ID: Me too. From pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 08:12:00 2003 From: pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (pgrzelak@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:05:24 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Sync Problem Message-ID: Greetings! Interesting. I am doing some testing now... Running Windows 2000 Server (I am in the office), I connected to the player with hyperterminal. I verified that my disks were in good shape, not needing a sync. I then did a "rw" command and pulled the power. I plugged it back in, and verified that the root partition needed an fsck. I went into emplode, turned on logging, connected to the player over fixed IP ethernet. I made a small change to the configuration of the player and performed a sync. Interestingly, the dirty partition check / media check only happens for dirty music partitions, not for the root partition!!! I think this is a bug! So, after the sync completed, I exited emplode, deleted the log file, hyperterminal connected in. The root partition was still dirty. I did an "rw" and an "rwm", did a "sync" (I like my data, thank you...) and pulled the power. Went into emplode, with logging on, made a configuration change and did a sync. This time, it is checking the hard drives with a full fsck. More to follow as the check happens - from command line experience, it takes about 50 minutes per drive. I am capturing a log, so if something does blow up, I can post / send to someone. Edit: Actually, sitting here watching the indicator not move across the screen, I remember that I did do a full sync with disk check on the 80s before. That was right after the rebuild on the primary unit. But this is still a good test anyway. You may want to try getting a log of your sync - it might help troubleshoot, but try the manual fsck also. From taym at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 08:12:00 2003 From: taym at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (taym@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:05:29 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: New Audi A3 instrumentation color and empeg lenses Message-ID: Contratulation SE7EN! Now, you mean you already have the car? No waiting at all? Maybe because I included some (well, a lot of) optional equipment, but I'll be getting it at the end of July, hopefully! Let me know if the empeg red lens are ok. I also have some othe red lens I got from Darkstorm design which are very nice, as usual, but don't know if they'll match. I am defintely planning to remove the Audi head unit. I lived without a tape/cd reader for two years without EVER wanting to have one, and I really would not give up my empeg for that. If you remove it, you'll have to buy an adapter from audy which will reduce the size of the hole in your dash so that you can fit a standard DIN head unit. Not a problem at all. From morrisdl at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 09:29:00 2003 From: morrisdl at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (morrisdl@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:05:34 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: New Audi A3 instrumentation color and empeg lenses Message-ID: I have an Audi TT that sounds like it has a very similar dash color scheme. The standard empeg red matched very well, but as previously discussed visibility in sun light was terrible. Especially problematic in a convertible. I ended up using the darkstorm neon red. When I first installed it, I was disappointed that it was not red, but mostly white/gray. When I installed it in the car, I was pleasantly surprised that it matches the white numbers in the dash. I think it looks right at home. From altman at empeg.com Tue Jun 3 09:30:00 2003 From: altman at empeg.com (Hugo Fiennes) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:05:39 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Best Portable player right now? Message-ID: Nope, but if you really want one (as usual) get it from the US. They will be getting it first. Hugo From mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 09:31:00 2003 From: mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mlord@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:05:44 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Empeg and ibook Message-ID: Yup, ya gotta use a buddy's computer once, to install Hijack the first time only. Cheers From mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 09:32:00 2003 From: mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mlord@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:05:50 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Another update Message-ID: ..an empeg controlled milling machine... Ooo.. with useful visuals! From Phoenix42 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 09:46:00 2003 From: Phoenix42 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Phoenix42@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:05:55 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Problems with riocar.org? Message-ID: Don't tell me they've been using Marvin as a web server. From mpelaz at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 10:54:00 2003 From: mpelaz at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mpelaz@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:06:01 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Remote does not work all the time!!! Message-ID: Hi all I suffer this problem too... Last month I tried to upload some WMA stuff, coded with Nero at vbr medium-high quality. The empeg seems to use all processor time to decode it, and all buttons take a lot of time to work. If I turn up volume, 5 seconds after, it goes to the top suddenly. I have to pull it out and reboot it, and load any other song to relax the cpu... Cheers: Miguel. From pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 11:25:00 2003 From: pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (pgrzelak@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:06:05 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Sync Problem Message-ID: Nope. Clean resync. You may want to try doing it manually, just to check. From Warp10 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 11:57:00 2003 From: Warp10 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Warp10@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:06:11 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of Message-ID: Hi! My tuner module has similar problems. It only happens with stations broadcasting RDS signals. I've send my tuner back to pca, but he's telling me that it works fine. Maybe it helps if someone else has similar problems. cheers From Warp10 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 11:59:00 2003 From: Warp10 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Warp10@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:06:17 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Tuner muting Message-ID: Hi! I've got excactly the same problems. It only happens with stations broadcasting RDS signals. Since I live in Germany, nearly every station broadcasts RDS, so listening to the radio is quite frustrating... cheers From taym at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 13:09:00 2003 From: taym at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (taym@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:06:22 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: New Audi A3 instrumentation color and empeg lenses Message-ID: morrisdl, Thanks! Your car interior looks great. Dashboard color scheme is virtually identical to the new A3, as far as I can tell from the picture. I think I'll try to use the empeg red lenses and probably also order a neon red from Darkstorm design. I remember I found the empeg red lens quite readable, but my old car was not a cabrio... From mwest at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 13:09:00 2003 From: mwest at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mwest@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:06:27 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Sync Problem Message-ID: OK.. I can't get to riocar.org for some reason... Can someone give me a quick manual fsck tutorial? From SE7EN at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 13:18:00 2003 From: SE7EN at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (SE7EN@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:06:32 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: New Audi A3 instrumentation color and empeg lenses Message-ID: I'll know if the empeg lens are ok if I keep my empeg because I'm thinking seriously about Phatbox. I didn't wait for my car because I've commanded it during april. It's an Ambition Tdi, and it looks like the TT inside so the picture above is good for you to have an idea. I hope the adapter from Audi is easy to have, and I wonder what I will find behind the head unit.... From taym at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 13:32:00 2003 From: taym at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (taym@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:06:37 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: New Audi A3 instrumentation color and empeg lenses Message-ID: I got a TDi Ambition too :-) What color? The adapter should be easy to find, according to my delaer. I precisely asked to have one and they said they had plenty in their local stock. From pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 13:42:00 2003 From: pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (pgrzelak@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:06:42 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Sync Problem Message-ID: Greetings! The FAQ is back up, but here are the basic commands. If you have a single disk player, do not uncomment the commands for the second drive. If you run into any trouble, let me know. ro umount /dev/hda4 #umount /dev/hdc4 swapon /swapfile fsck -fay / fsck -fay /dev/hda4 #fsck -fay /dev/hdc4 swapoff /swapfile sync (reboot at this point) From tfabris at jps.net Tue Jun 3 13:50:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:06:47 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Low left channel volume Message-ID: I swapped the left and right leads from the back and the problem followed the left channel eliminating(I think) my amps and speakers as the problem. When you say "Leads", do you mean the RCA cable connections or the speaker wires? And when you say "back" do you mean at the amplifier or at the player end of the connection? I am assuming that you mean you swapped the RCA connections at the back of the player's sled, so I'll go along with that and say, yes, you've eliminated the amps and speakers. Next thing I would check is this problem. Check that and get back to us. Also check that it's not a simple case of the contact points on the docking connector needing to be cleaned. From tfabris at jps.net Tue Jun 3 13:52:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:06:52 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Remote does not work all the time!!! Message-ID: Mpelaz, is this with 2.0 final, or is it with Beta 13? From tfabris at jps.net Tue Jun 3 13:54:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:06:57 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Problems with riocar.org? Message-ID: There were some problems with Apache on the server (BBS down, timezones getting confused), and he made some tweaks to the Apache server to fix them. The "too many connections" errors were a result of these tweaks, so he's reversed the tweaks until he can find a proper solution for both issues. From tfabris at jps.net Tue Jun 3 14:00:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:07:04 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Sync Problem Message-ID: Mwest, did you add any third-party programs to the player? Do they run in AC mode, or have they been set to @DC? That could have been the root cause of the problem. From SE7EN at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 14:27:00 2003 From: SE7EN at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (SE7EN@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:07:08 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: New Audi A3 instrumentation color and empeg lenses Message-ID: Mine is black pearl (sorry for the translation...) If that so easy to do, I think I'll stay with my empeg and keep money for amp and other things to make the sound better. Where do you live ? I'm french. From mwest at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 14:46:00 2003 From: mwest at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mwest@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:07:13 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Sync Problem Message-ID: Not recently... From puckalicious at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 14:58:00 2003 From: puckalicious at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (puckalicious@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:07:18 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Best Portable player right now? Message-ID: Looks like Rio won't be the only player with a 1.5GB model according to this. Twelve companies so far have plans to release products with the drive. RCA/Thomson, Rio and five other manufacturers will come out with MP3 players with the Cornice Storage Element (SE), and a major U.S. retailer will feature a Cornice-based player from Korea. The first products will hit shelves this quarter, according to Cornice. Looks like alot of competition for the 1.5GB model, what about Pearl?? From booey at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 15:09:00 2003 From: booey at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (booey@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:07:23 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Best Portable player right now? Message-ID: dont think this was answered yet.. Does the Pearl have the FM tuner? b From mwest at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 15:21:00 2003 From: mwest at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mwest@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:07:29 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Sync Problem Message-ID: Ok I did what Paul suggested and I'm getting the same problem... Here's what I did and the boot logo for right after I did it. Switching to shell-player loop Starting bash. empeg:/empeg/bin# ro empeg:/empeg/bin# unmount /dev/hda4 bash: unmount: command not found empeg:/empeg/bin# umount /dev/hda4 empeg:/empeg/bin# #umount /dev/hdc4 empeg:/empeg/bin# swapon /swapfile Adding Swap: 16028k swap-space (priority -1) empeg:/empeg/bin# fsck -fay / Parallelizing fsck version 1.19 (13-Jul-2000) e2fsck 1.19, 13-Jul-2000 for EXT2 FS 0.5b, 95/08/09 ext2fs_check_if_mount: No such file or directory while determining whether /dev/ hda5 is mounted. Pass 1: Checking inodes, blocks, and sizes Pass 2: Checking directory structure Pass 3: Checking directory connectivity Pass 4: Checking reference counts Pass 5: Checking group summary information /dev/hda5: 1514/4096 files (0.5% non-contiguous), 9457/16384 blocks empeg:/empeg/bin# fsck -fay /dev/hda4 Parallelizing fsck version 1.19 (13-Jul-2000) e2fsck 1.19, 13-Jul-2000 for EXT2 FS 0.5b, 95/08/09 ext2fs_check_if_mount: No such file or directory while determining whether /dev/ hda4 is mounted. Pass 1: Checking inodes, blocks, and sizes Duplicate blocks found... invoking duplicate block passes. Pass 1B: Rescan for duplicate/bad blocks Duplicate/bad block(s) in inode 5286: 11137102 11137103 11137104 11137105 111371 06 11137107 11137108 11137109 11137110 11137111 11137112 11137113 11137114 Duplicate/bad block(s) in inode 5288: 11137102 Duplicate/bad block(s) in inode 5290: 11137103 Duplicate/bad block(s) in inode 5292: 11137104 Duplicate/bad block(s) in inode 5294: 11137105 Duplicate/bad block(s) in inode 5296: 11137106 Duplicate/bad block(s) in inode 5298: 11137107 Duplicate/bad block(s) in inode 5300: 11137108 Duplicate/bad block(s) in inode 5301: 11137109 11137110 11137111 11137112 111371 13 11137114 Pass 1C: Scan directories for inodes with dup blocks. Pass 1D: Reconciling duplicate blocks no room for private writable mapping error: -12 fsck.ext2: Memory allocation failed while retrying to read bitmaps for /dev/hda4 empeg:/empeg/bin# #fsck -fay /dev/hdc4 empeg:/empeg/bin# swapoff/swapfile bash: swapoff/swapfile: No such file or directory empeg:/empeg/bin# swapoff /swapfile empeg:/empeg/bin# sync empeg:/empeg/bin# empeg-car bootstrap v1.02 20001106 (hugo@empeg.com) If there is anyone present who wants to upgrade the flash, let them speak now, or forever hold their peace...it seems not. Let fly the Penguins of Linux! e000 v1.04 Copying kernel... Calling linux kernel... Uncompressing Linux..................................... done, booting the kerne l. Linux version 2.2.14-rmk5-np17-empeg52 (rob@aphex) (gcc version 2.95.3 20010315 (release)) #11 Tue Apr 1 18:49:59 BST 2003 Processor: Intel StrongARM-1100 revision 11 NetWinder Floating Point Emulator V0.94.1 (c) 1998 Corel Computer Corp. empeg-car player (hardware revision 9, serial number 10101450) Command line: mem=16m Calibrating delay loop... 207.67 BogoMIPS Memory: 15024k/16M available (964k code, 20k reserved, 372k data, 4k init) Dentry hash table entries: 2048 (order 2, 16k) Buffer cache hash table entries: 16384 (order 4, 64k) Page cache hash table entries: 4096 (order 2, 16k) POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.2 Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039 NET4: Linux TCP/IP 1.0 for NET4.0 IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP TCP: Hash tables configured (ehash 16384 bhash 16384) IrDA (tm) Protocols for Linux-2.2 (Dag Brattli) Linux-IrDA: IrCOMM protocol ( revision:Tue May 18 03:11:39 1999 ) ircomm_tty: virtual tty driver for IrCOMM ( revision:Wed May 26 00:49:11 1999 ) Starting kswapd v 1.5 SA1100 serial driver version 4.27 with no serial options enabled ttyS00 at 0xf8010000 (irq = 15) is a SA1100 UART ttyS01 at 0xf8050000 (irq = 17) is a SA1100 UART ttyS02 at 0xf8030000 (irq = 16) is a SA1100 UART Signature is 67706d65 'empg' Scheduling custom logo. empeg display initialised. empeg dsp audio initialised empeg dsp mixer initialised empeg dsp initialised empeg audio-in initialised, CS4231A revision a0 empeg remote control/panel button initialised. empeg usb initialised, PDIUSBD12 id 1012 empeg state support initialised 0089/88c1 (save to d0005b00). empeg RDS driver initialised empeg power-pic driver initialised (first boot) RAM disk driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 4096K size empeg single channel IDE Probing primary interface... hda: IC25N080ATMR04-0, ATA DISK drive hda: IC25N080ATMR04-0, ATA DISK drive hda: IC25N080ATMR04-0, ATA DISK drive hda: IC25N080ATMR04-0, ATA DISK drive hda: IC25N080ATMR04-0, ATA DISK drive hda: IC25N080ATMR04-0, ATA DISK drive ide0 at 0x000-0x007,0x038 on irq 6 hda: IC25N080ATMR04-0, 76319MB w/7884kB Cache, CHS=9729/255/63 empeg-flash driver initialized smc chip id/revision 0x3349 smc9194.c:v0.12 03/06/96 by Erik Stahlman (erik@vt.edu) SMC9194: SMC91C94(r:9) at 0x4008000 IRQ:7 INTF:TP MEM:6144b MAC 00:02:d7:22:05:a a Partition check: hda: hda1 < hda5 hda6 < hda2 hda3 hda4 RAMDISK: ext2 filesystem found at block 0 RAMDISK: Loading 320 blocks [1 disk] into ram disk... done. VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem). empeg-pump v0.03 (19980601) Press Ctrl-A to enter pump...VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly. change_root: old root has d_count=1 Trying to unmount old root ... okay Freeing unused kernel memory: 4k initempeg init 0.8 I see this is a developer image! Mounting proc Mounting first music partition Tried to mount /dev/hda4 as reiserfs but got error 19 Mounting second music partition Tried to mount /dev/hdc4 but got error 6 Error mounting partitions (possibly already mounted) Remounting first music partition read-only Remounting second music partition read-only No secondary hard disk Press 'q' now to go into development mode. You Have Zero Seconds To Comply... Starting player player.cpp : 385:empeg-car 2.00 2003/04/01. ! tags.cpp : 61:Failed to open tags (0xc0041002). Prolux 4 empeg car - 2.1434 Mar 26 2003 Vcb: 0x4086d000 serial_notify_thread.cpp: 116:@@ N167 serial_notify_thread.cpp: 117:@@ F0x45a0 serial_notify_thread.cpp: 118:@@ TLinger serial_notify_thread.cpp: 119:@@ ACranberries serial_notify_thread.cpp: 120:@@ GRock serial_notify_thread.cpp: 116:@@ N167 serial_notify_thread.cpp: 117:@@ F0x45a0 serial_notify_thread.cpp: 118:@@ TLinger serial_notify_thread.cpp: 119:@@ ACranberries serial_notify_thread.cpp: 120:@@ GRock serial_notify_thread.cpp: 180:@@ #45a0 0:00:01 From pim at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 15:23:00 2003 From: pim at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (pim@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:07:33 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Hotel bookings Message-ID: Nor is there a way to specify which night you're staying when it's only one night. Pim From pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 15:24:00 2003 From: pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (pgrzelak@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:07:38 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Sync Problem Message-ID: Um, this is interesting. From the report, you did the swapon /swapfile. It took it, and gave the report out. But it looks almost like there was so much that needed to be done, that you ran out of memory, even with swap on. You may want to try that command set again, see if it correct the first set of errors (the ones it already found), and moves on from there. From wfaulk at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 15:30:00 2003 From: wfaulk at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (wfaulk@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:07:45 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Sync Problem Message-ID: Odd. It would appear that your fsck ran out of memory even after you added some virtual memory (using the swapon command). It would appear you have an 80GB drive, right? That's distressing. It would appear that the big partition plus the limited memory is causing a problem. Do you have a Mk2 or Mk2a? There's a memory difference between them. Solution: Add more memory, virtual or not. You have only one drive, right? If you have two, you could add its swap space as well. If you do have only one, then I guess you need to fsck the root partition (you've already done this), remount it rw, create a big file, and then use it as swap space as well. I can't give you specific instructions, though, as I don't have anything to test on right now. Something like this ought to work, though: rw dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile2 bs=1048576 count=16 swapon /swapfile2 swapon /swapfile fsck -fay /dev/hda4 swapoff /swapfile swapoff /swapfile2 rm /swapfile2 ro Now with Empeg meet getting close, and seeing all these posts with Euro pricing, wouldn't it be handy if we could display a proper Euro sign in posts using UBBCode? ie something that translates to > <#8364; This seems to display right both in IE/Windows and Mozilla/Linux at least for me. Pim From wfaulk at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 16:10:00 2003 From: wfaulk at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (wfaulk@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:07:54 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Euro sign in UBBCode Message-ID: Quite a while ago, I gave a patch to Drakino that should allow HTML character entities. I don't think it'll work for direct character codes like that, though. I could fix it, but it probably makes more sense to use > I guess in English it is Pearl Black. And guess what, that's the same color I got! :-) I am from Rome, Italy (I know there's a "Rome" in New York state, am I right?) ... So you had to wait almost two months, right? Here delivey time is 90 days maximum, but the dealer said they expect it sooner since it seems that - so far - Audi is being able to handle all the orders quite well. So how do you like your Audi? I envy you so much! :-D I wish I had mine already... From Ezekiel at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 16:23:00 2003 From: Ezekiel at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Ezekiel@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:08:05 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: New Audi A3 instrumentation color and empeg lenses Message-ID: Wow! The man gets a the prize for obscure upstate NY geography knowledge! Rome NY is mighty small... There's also Ithaca and Syracuse NY; Mediterranean city names are sort of a theme in north western areas of New York. From taym at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 16:42:00 2003 From: taym at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (taym@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:08:10 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: New Audi A3 instrumentation color and empeg lenses Message-ID: :-D Thanks. Prize accepted happily. Reason why I know is because once I said I was from Rome and somebody replied "Rome, NY?". I though either that guy was lacking basic geography knowledge, or I was lacking some not so basic (for somebody living in Italy) NY State geography. So I found out about Rome, NY :-) From rob at empeg.com Tue Jun 3 17:17:00 2003 From: rob at empeg.com (Rob Voisey) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:08:15 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Hotel bookings Message-ID: Just email Rob Schofield or myself with additional notes. Rob From morrisdl at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 17:25:00 2003 From: morrisdl at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (morrisdl@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:08:20 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: New Audi A3 instrumentation color and empeg lenses Message-ID: Thanks! Just remember that with out the button lights the red neon effect will be less noticeable. We don’t have A3's here in the US, so I had to look one up. The dash is surprisingly similar: Including having the steering wheel on the proper side ;-) From DiGNAN17 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 17:49:00 2003 From: DiGNAN17 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (DiGNAN17@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:08:26 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Best Portable player right now? Message-ID: I'm sorry, I'm sure I just missed it, but what is the PC interface, software-wise?? From rob at empeg.com Tue Jun 3 18:06:00 2003 From: rob at empeg.com (Rob Voisey) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:08:32 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Best Portable player right now? Message-ID: No tuner in Pearl. From rob at empeg.com Tue Jun 3 18:09:00 2003 From: rob at empeg.com (Rob Voisey) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:08:37 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Best Portable player right now? Message-ID: _I'm sorry, I'm sure I just missed it, but what is the PC interface, software-wise?? _ Rio Music Manager 2 (a huge move forward from RMM 1) will give the cutest features, otherwise WMP, Real One, anything that supports WMDM, or some nifty Ethernet stuff that I'm not talking about yet but which should be pretty easy to guess (think: multiplatform). Rob From SE7EN at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 18:12:00 2003 From: SE7EN at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (SE7EN@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:08:42 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: New Audi A3 instrumentation color and empeg lenses Message-ID: Yes I have it in Pearl Black with parabolic wheels (very nice). I haven't really waited because the new A3 will be available this week in France, and I have it before because I asked for it the sooner I could. My "interni" (italian word ;-)) is like that: http://www.audi.it/gamma/na3/interni/a3_interni.html , choose Matrix, then the third color. I really like it but I miss my music collection... From mwest at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 18:23:00 2003 From: mwest at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mwest@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:08:47 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Sync Problem Message-ID: trying it now... From mwest at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 18:54:00 2003 From: mwest at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mwest@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:08:52 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Sync Problem Message-ID: Ok I've done something wrong... when I started to do your suggestion I got this.... Starting bash. empeg:/empeg/bin# rw empeg:/empeg/bin# empeg:/empeg/bin# empeg:/empeg/bin# dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile2 bs=1048576 count=16 dd: /swapfile2: No space left on device 7+0 records in 6+0 records out empeg:/empeg/bin# swapon /swapfile2 Unable to find swap-space signature swapon: /swapfile2: Invalid argument empeg:/empeg/bin# swapon/swapfile2 bash: swapon/swapfile2: No such file or directory empeg:/empeg/bin# From wfaulk at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 19:12:00 2003 From: wfaulk at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (wfaulk@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:08:57 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Sync Problem Message-ID: Okay. First, 16MB seems to be more space than the root partition has. You should be okay, though, as it got 7MB written. Second, I forgot that Linux has some sort of magic that makes a swap file swappish. Try running ``mkswap /swapfile2'', and then continue from ``swapon /swapfile2''. From Lupo at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 19:13:00 2003 From: Lupo at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Lupo@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:09:03 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: New Audi A3 instrumentation color and empeg lenses Message-ID: I'm just a bit scared about the forthcoming S3... the top-of-the-line A3 already has 250 hp...you do the maths :-) I like it very much, and I recommend you to download the movie at www.audi.de From pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 20:23:00 2003 From: pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (pgrzelak@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:09:08 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Sync Problem Message-ID: Any luck with the retry? From jonbauer at pacbell.net Tue Jun 3 22:37:00 2003 From: jonbauer at pacbell.net (Jon Bauer) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:09:13 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Auto-loading the XML remote window. Message-ID: Hi All, I have been using CharcoalGray's v1.3 XML happily and want to try and figure out a way to auto load the small rio remote window every time my XP PC boots up. I tried to add it as an active desktop element, but it just adds a piece of the remote picture... Is there a link that will load the window without having to go through the XML main menu or a way to get it loaded into the active desktop? Sorry if this has been discussed, I couldn't find it in the first 5 pages that I found when searching for "charcoalgray". - Thanx - Jon From newguy1 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 22:52:00 2003 From: newguy1 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (newguy1@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:09:18 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Low left channel volume Message-ID: I dont have the player hooked up in the house/AC power just in the car/DC.I am using the front set of outputs,maybe i'll switch to the rear sets as they are not being used,to see if the problem still exists. I'll need a couple of days to try this though so dont think i'm ignoring anybody or don't appreciate the help. From newguy1 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 23:02:00 2003 From: newguy1 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (newguy1@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:09:23 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Low left channel volume Message-ID: Yes Tony, you assumed correctly.I did read about that problem but didn't think it applied because I was still getting some output, not a completely dead channel.But i'll look into that also.What should I use to clean the contacts? From taym at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 23:22:00 2003 From: taym at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (taym@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:09:28 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: New Audi A3 instrumentation color and empeg lenses Message-ID: Hey, ALMOST identical! I chose the SAME interni ;-), but I have different wheels. I've been long undecided between parabolic and the "standard" ones that come with the Ambition (which are same size, same material, different design), then decided to get the latter when I actually saw them at my dealer and liked them slightly better. From taym at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 3 23:23:00 2003 From: taym at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (taym@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 3 22:09:33 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: New Audi A3 instrumentation color and empeg lenses Message-ID: Lupo, I had seen the movie, very nice. Yes, I think next S3 will be really super. And very expensive! From canuckInLA at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 4 02:34:00 2003 From: canuckInLA at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (canuckInLA@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:00:35 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Another update Message-ID: Uh, oh. I shouldn'a said that 'til after I got my docks. ;-) /me waits for the announcement in the Programming forum. From adavidw at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 4 03:04:00 2003 From: adavidw at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (adavidw@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:00:41 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Empeg and ibook Message-ID: Once you have Hijack installed, you can do the player software upgrades over ethernet using linux, as was mentioned before. What's that? Don't want to install Linux on your iBook? No problem, just download one of the new PowerPC live Linux cds from Gentoo, burn to a CD, and boot your computer from it. Instant Linux machine with no installing and no permanent changes or modifications to your computer. From thinfourth2 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 4 05:47:00 2003 From: thinfourth2 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (thinfourth2@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:00:46 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Empeg and ibook Message-ID: Only getting a ibook as a cute laptop the desktop will be staying as a windoze machine due to good games etc, well games really and not much else apart from ingrained familarity with crappy operating system But nones answered my second question how easy is it to get ibook to chat to a windoze network. From thinfourth2 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 4 05:52:00 2003 From: thinfourth2 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (thinfourth2@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:00:51 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Best Portable player right now? Message-ID: huge move forward from RMM1 you say but what is it like in comparison to emplode. Big question can i organise music the same way as an empeg as in i control the playlists and i can have one song copied to many different places but still have only one copy of the song. Also if we bribe you with beer and food could you talk very nicely to somebody somewhere to get a few for the empeg faithful? From david at empeg.com Wed Jun 4 06:02:00 2003 From: david at empeg.com (David Moss) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:00:57 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Empeg and ibook Message-ID: < how easy is it to get ibook to chat to a windoze network. Should work straight out of the box. Just go to 'Go No tuner in Pearl. That's a realy bad news. Well, maybe not for everybody, but for me it's a bad news. Even if I have thousand of musics on my player, sometime I want to listen to radio, for news and hits of the moment. From mhomann at netscape.net Wed Jun 4 07:09:00 2003 From: mhomann at netscape.net (Mathias Homann) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:01:10 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] I would _really_ appreciate any feedback at all... Message-ID: ...regarding the status of further empeg 2.0 software bug fixing. Especially all the issues regarding RDS, respectively the tuner part in general. For those who have missed the threads in question, here's the lineup: - RDS-AF does only work when tuned manually to a frequency (as opposed to being on a frequency after you switch to tuner mode, or power-on the unit, or select a preset) - RDS-AF cannot be disabled - RDS-AF disregards the current frequency when checking the AF list - FM seek has disappeared - maybe some more, attach them here... I don't know about you dudes in the states, but here in good old europe where RDS is actually used those are quite serious. And as said before, there are several tuner module owners here who would willingly sign a NDA to get daily builds of the empeg software for tuner testing (after someone pointed out that the empeg guys don't have a single tuner module left for testing purposes...). So here's the question: _Has any work been done on this since the buyout???_ bye, [L] From rob at empeg.com Wed Jun 4 08:15:00 2003 From: rob at empeg.com (Rob Voisey) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:01:14 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: I would _really_ appreciate any feedback at all... Message-ID: There is no on going work on 2.0. Final pretty much means final. 3.0 will inherit most of these tuner bugs and we'll address them there. Right now we don't have time to do much tuner work, as our 3.0 codebase product doesn't have a tuner, and we're working around the clock to bring nine new Rio products to market within the next couple of months. Rob From taym at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 4 08:17:00 2003 From: taym at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (taym@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:01:19 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: I would _really_ appreciate any feedback at all... Message-ID: My guess is that we will get 3.0beta rather than a fix on 2.0final. WHich does not answer your question, of course. I think, however, that most bugs will be fixed in next release, regardless how they call it. As is, v.2.00 is virtuallly unusable here in EU, unless you give up the radio mode completely... From taym at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 4 08:19:00 2003 From: taym at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (taym@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:01:25 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: I would _really_ appreciate any feedback at all... Message-ID: Wow, you posted few seconds before me, Rob :-D Thanks for the feedback. From rob at empeg.com Wed Jun 4 08:20:00 2003 From: rob at empeg.com (Rob Voisey) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:01:30 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: I would _really_ appreciate any feedback at all... Message-ID: I still don't know what happened with the tuner. Toby put in the RDS fixes for 2.0, tested them, and still claims it works fine for him. There's something wierd going on. Rob From rob at empeg.com Wed Jun 4 08:24:00 2003 From: rob at empeg.com (Rob Voisey) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:01:35 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Best Portable player right now? Message-ID: I don't think I've seen a tuner inside any hard disk portable. I daresay there must be one but none spring to mind. This is probably because the reception sucks when you stick a tuner right next to an IDE bus and a fast processor in a very small enclosure, and sucky tuners do more harm than good to sales. Rob From rob at empeg.com Wed Jun 4 08:29:00 2003 From: rob at empeg.com (Rob Voisey) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:01:41 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Best Portable player right now? Message-ID: The music organisation in a completely different philosophy to the car player. Where as the car player had almost no intelligence in music selection on the unit and left everything to the user as a manual process on the PC, Pearl has all the intelligence in the database but provides only for flat manual playlists. Yes, the ideal solution would be to have both, but if you only have time to do one of them for 1.0 then the empeg system isn't saleable and the Soup/RioDJ system is. We do have one of the best running order editors I've seen on any portable, though. If any non-US BBS people want to get a Pearl I can look into some kind of group purchase when players are shipping. Rob From taym at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 4 08:33:00 2003 From: taym at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (taym@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:01:46 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: I would _really_ appreciate any feedback at all... Message-ID: I am not sure if it has already been asked, but is it possible that fixes were not included in the public release available for download, fore some reason? I know, almost impossible, but you never can tell. I, at least, am capable of much much worse mistakes... :-) From pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 4 08:59:00 2003 From: pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (pgrzelak@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:01:51 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: I would _really_ appreciate any feedback at all... Message-ID: we're working around the clock to bring nine new Rio products to market within the next couple of months Nine??? Hm!!! I know that a few of them have been mentioned on the board, but it sounds like there are more products brewing. Any hints??? :-) From mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 4 09:06:00 2003 From: mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mlord@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:01:57 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: I would _really_ appreciate any feedback at al Message-ID: There's a button mapping translation to "fix" the tuner "seek" functions -- tfabris discovered that the Kenwood remote codes for "seek" still work, so we just map those using Hijack to the usual tuner button presses. See thread elsewhere. As for the AF problems, would it pacify everyone enough for me to simply disable AF completely inside Hijack (as an option, of course). I believe this is possible and simple enough to do, by just blocking certain tuner messages. ??? From robricc at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 4 09:47:00 2003 From: robricc at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (robricc@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:02:03 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Best Portable player right now? Message-ID: I don't think I've seen a tuner inside any hard disk portable. I daresay there must be one but none spring to mind.Maybe you missed the memo about the Riot? ;-) Also, this thing. From tman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 4 09:56:00 2003 From: tman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (tman@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:02:08 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: I would _really_ appreciate any feedback at al Message-ID: The old fake_tuner code disabled RDS AF quite nicely :-) - Trevor From murray_wayper at yahoo.com.au Wed Jun 4 10:06:00 2003 From: murray_wayper at yahoo.com.au (Murray Wayper) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:02:13 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: I would _really_ appreciate any feedback at al Message-ID: If you would be able to disable AF Mark, I'd be most grateful. AF is on the only station I listen to and it's really fscking me off. Not that I'm deriding the beautiful work that was put into V2.0. From frog51 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 4 10:08:00 2003 From: frog51 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (frog51@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:02:19 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: I would _really_ appreciate any feedback at all... Message-ID: At risk of sounding contentious, in central Scotland I have very few issues with RDS - it works beautifully. for me RDS-AF works when tuned manually to a frequency OR when on a frequency after you switch to tuner mode, or power-on the unit, or select a preset. RDS-AF IS easily disabled, by deselecting AF. I know this works as I only use it in the morning and then disable it for the rest of the day. I agree with this one - RDS-AF disregards the current frequency when checking the AF list - but it doesn't affect me The button mapping works a treat for FM seek. Wonder what is different with your config. Mine is fairly stock, plus Hijack 334 and emphatic From rob at empeg.com Wed Jun 4 11:24:00 2003 From: rob at empeg.com (Rob Voisey) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:02:24 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Best Portable player right now? Message-ID: I have erased the Riot from memory. It's the only proper thing to do. Besides, I said "inside a very compact case" ;-) Rob From taym at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 4 12:02:00 2003 From: taym at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (taym@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:02:29 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: I would _really_ appreciate any feedback at al Message-ID: Mark, I'd be very very thankful if you could do that. And, Muzza, I join you in saying I am not deriding the great work the empeg ppl are putting in the development of the empeg software. Sorry if I sounded sarcastic in any way. I am just an empeg-addicted like many others here waiting for a bug to be fixed :-) Back to the comments I am reading, it really seems the RDS is behaving differently in different Countries, don't you think? I have the impression some different "standard" is being used in different EU Countries. Just a guess... From mhomann at netscape.net Wed Jun 4 12:02:00 2003 From: mhomann at netscape.net (Mathias Homann) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:02:34 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: I would _really_ appreciate any feedback at all... Message-ID: In Antwort auf: There is no on going work on 2.0. Final pretty much means final. 3.0 will inherit most of these tuner bugs and we'll address them there. Right now we don't have time to do much tuner work, as our 3.0 codebase product doesn't have a tuner, and we're working around the clock to bring nine new Rio products to market within the next couple of months. given the previous experiences with time frames, this statement, translated to regular speech mode, means: "maybe in version 3.0, which will not be available before autumn 2004". ok, anyone wanna buy a Mk.II with a second harddisk, and a tuner module? am I hearing any bids? bye, [L] From LaneStar at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 4 12:39:00 2003 From: LaneStar at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (LaneStar@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:02:40 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: battery icon coming off standby Message-ID: Just thought I'd bump this to see if there is any new news. I am having the same problems. From cushman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 4 13:01:00 2003 From: cushman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (cushman@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:02:45 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: I would _really_ appreciate any feedback at al Message-ID: Post in For Sale, I'm sure there are people waiting to buy a reasonably priced unit. From rob at empeg.com Wed Jun 4 14:14:00 2003 From: rob at empeg.com (Rob Voisey) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:02:50 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: I would _really_ appreciate any feedback at al Message-ID: You'd hope it would be sold for a very low price considering what a piece of shite this product is. Rob From wfaulk at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 4 14:17:00 2003 From: wfaulk at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (wfaulk@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:02:55 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: I would _really_ appreciate any feedback at al Message-ID: Didn't RDS work in 1.3? And better than now in 2.0b13? If so, you could always go back to one of those. From snoopstah at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 4 14:17:00 2003 From: snoopstah at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (snoopstah@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:03:00 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Just a little while longer Message-ID: And fantastic they are too! I placed an order as soon as I got the e-mail, and was away at the time. Was going to chase up, as I hadn't received any communication but a payment confirmation, only to get home and find it waiting on my doorstep (in the UK)! Excellent service! Just need to source the LEDs, the transistor, the resistors, the button LEDs, the transparent buttons... :-) From tfabris at jps.net Wed Jun 4 14:33:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:03:06 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Auto-loading the XML remote window. Message-ID: Yes, create an Internet Explorer shortcut, pointing to this: http://empeg/drive0/opt/khttpd/charcoalgray99/rioremote.html Then copy that icon to your startup group. It won't be sized right, though. A slightly harder method would be to create an HTML file on your hard disk that used Javascript to launch it and size it right. Then point your IE shortcut to that HTML file. HMMMM... I'm going to go try this now... :-) From tfabris at jps.net Wed Jun 4 14:35:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:03:11 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Low left channel volume Message-ID: What should I use to clean the contacts? Isopropyl alcohol and Q-tips. Take care not to leave any strands of cotton behind. Note that I've never needed to clean my Mk2's contacts, only the Mk1 ever gave me trouble in that area. From pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 4 14:37:00 2003 From: pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (pgrzelak@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:03:16 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Auto-loading the XML remote window. Message-ID: Greetings! I use the local html / javascript approach to put the image of my player (with live updates and smoke-colored lens) on my homepage. From booey at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 4 15:02:00 2003 From: booey at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (booey@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:03:22 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Best Portable player right now? Message-ID: yea, i agree No Tuner is very bad news. I think thats almost a necessity these days. Almost all the new players are having it. Not all but, more and more.... very bad news for me, i was holding out for the pearl. might have to look elsewhere now. i really want an FM tuner in my player. dam, this really blows! b From robricc at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 4 15:08:00 2003 From: robricc at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (robricc@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:03:26 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Texas Meet Details < Poll Message-ID: Is this meet still happening? I think I can make it. From tfabris at jps.net Wed Jun 4 15:16:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:03:32 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Auto-loading the XML remote window. Message-ID: I've tried to do this, but I'm having trouble with Satan'sTongue, er, I mean, JavaScript. I have created an HTML file that pops up the Rio Remote window just fine, using the following Javascript syntax: window.open(url,'rioremote','toolbar=NO,location=NO,directories=NO, status=NO,menubar=NO,scrollbars=NO,resizable=NO,copyhistory=NO, width=160,height=252'); This works fine, but the original calling window is still open. So I try to close it with: self.close(); And this works, but IE puts up an annoying messagebox saying "this window is trying to close, do you want to allow it?" or something like that. Ick. What I really want to do is just have the window resize itself properly without having to launch Yet Another Window to make the borders and size correct. Like this: self.location=url; self.toolbar=NO; self.directories=NO; self.status=NO; self.menubar=NO; self.scrollbars=NO; self.resizable=NO; self.copyhistory=NO; self.width=160; self.height=252; Out of the above, only the self.location command works, the rest do nothing. God, I hate Javascript. Anyone want to tell me how I can do what I'm trying to do? From FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 4 15:16:00 2003 From: FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (FerretBoy@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:03:37 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Texas Meet Details < Poll Message-ID: Yes, as far as I know we're going to do it. I hope to see you there! From pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 4 15:26:00 2003 From: pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (pgrzelak@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:03:42 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Auto-loading the XML remote window. Message-ID: Greetings! Rather than embed the javascript in an html file, can you just have it as a stand alone .JS file, and execute that? (I don't know if this can be done, just tossing an idea out.) From tfabris at jps.net Wed Jun 4 15:44:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:03:47 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Auto-loading the XML remote window. Message-ID: I don't know the syntax to do that. When I just put the I'll be there, and hopefully not the only one there! :-D From pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 4 16:15:00 2003 From: pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (pgrzelak@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:03:57 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Auto-loading the XML remote window. Message-ID: I don't think it needs the script tag... Looking at the rhino book, you can just have it as a plain .js file, as long as you have the mime type set correctly to application/x-javascript. I haven't tried it myself, though, so I am not certain this will work. From tfabris at jps.net Wed Jun 4 16:32:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:04:03 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Auto-loading the XML remote window. Message-ID: Looking at the rhino book, you can just have it as a plain .js file, as long as you have the mime type set correctly to application/x-javascript. I haven't tried it myself, though, so I am not certain this will work. Tried that too, no dice. One thing that did occur to me.... It was silly to put self.location first, because the other things would never get called that way. I have to put self.location last. :-) Probably need to do something similar with "resizable" and width/height... From mwest at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 4 16:41:00 2003 From: mwest at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mwest@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:04:08 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Texas Meet Details < Poll Message-ID: I'll be there... From tfabris at jps.net Wed Jun 4 17:15:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:04:13 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Auto-loading the XML remote window. Message-ID: Okay, this sucks. The Javascript documentation here says: Examples The following example would make the referenced window "chromeless" (chromeless windows lack toolbars, scrollbars, status areas, and so on, much like a dialog box) by hiding most of the user interface toolbars: self.menubar.visible=false; self.toolbar.visible=false; self.locationbar.visible=false; self.personalbar.visible=false; self.scrollbars.visible=false; self.statusbar.visible=false; Yet when I run that it says "self.menubar is null or not an object". Saying self.menubar=false; runs without error, but does nothing to change the window chrome. I HATE JAVASCRIPT!!!! From wfaulk at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 4 17:17:00 2003 From: wfaulk at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (wfaulk@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:04:18 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Auto-loading the XML remote window. Message-ID: I HATE JAVASCRIPT!!!!More accurately, you hate your browser's half-assed implementation of it. Those statements work fine in Netscape 7 for Solaris, for example. (It doesn't work w/o the visible part, though.) Why don't you use VBScript, which IE is likely to like better? From robricc at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 4 17:20:00 2003 From: robricc at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (robricc@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:04:23 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Texas Meet Details < Poll Message-ID: It's official. I will be there. If anyone wants to swap cell numbers, send me a PM. From tfabris at jps.net Wed Jun 4 17:36:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:04:29 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Auto-loading the XML remote window. Message-ID: More accurately, you hate your browser's half-assed implementation of it. Actually, I hated it when I was coding for Netscape, too. Figuring out the syntax of things was always way too tricky, and stuff you think should work, doesn't. Anyway, I found this statement in some obscure place on the web: Internet Explorer 4 does not allow modification to current window chrome. So I guess I'll have to see if VBscript allows it. The documentation on VBScript is hard to get through. There's no "WINDOW" object that I can find in the documentation... From Drakino at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 4 17:36:00 2003 From: Drakino at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Drakino@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:04:35 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Problems with riocar.org? Message-ID: (I finally braved the 2500 unread posts to get back into general) It seems something with a recent Apache upgrade broke the BBS from being able to use persistant MySQL connections. The apache process was holding it open, so over time it built up to the limit. I have since disabled persistant connections for the board, and tweaked Apache a bit more, so things should be fixed for now. I'm going to try and do the update to 6.2 here by the end of the month to gain any optimizations out of the new code. The recent events put the BBS in the spotlight on the box it is hosted on, and thats a bad thing if I want to keep the boards hosted there free. From jamville at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 4 17:37:00 2003 From: jamville at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (jamville@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:04:39 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Sleds Message-ID: Rob, Will you be able to have any of the black sleds there? Thanks, From robricc at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 4 17:39:00 2003 From: robricc at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (robricc@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:04:45 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Sleds Message-ID: If I have them ready (and I should be able to), I will definitely bring some. From mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 4 17:57:00 2003 From: mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mlord@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:04:49 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: I would _really_ appreciate any feedback at al Message-ID: Say.. doesn't the existing AF On/Off player menu setting (Tuner -< Radio -< AF) already handle this? If you use it to set AF to Off, do the problems go away? No need for Hijack to implement it if it's already there (but is it?) Cheers From Drakino at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 4 18:01:00 2003 From: Drakino at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Drakino@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:04:54 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Euro sign in UBBCode Message-ID: One of these days, I'm sure he'll get to implementing it.I'm actually going to get the upgrade to 6.2 done first, and we will see if anything has been added at that point. As I said in another post, the 6.2 upgrade is being done to hopefully reduce the notice the BBS has gotten lately from other server admins. From taym at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 4 18:11:00 2003 From: taym at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (taym@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:05:00 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: I would _really_ appreciate any feedback at al Message-ID: No, it doesn't, or at least not in my case. The AF function does not seem to go off no matter what I do with the function in the rds menu. That is one of the bug many have mentioned in the bbs, I think. From mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 4 18:20:00 2003 From: mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mlord@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:05:04 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: I would _really_ appreciate any feedback at al Message-ID: Ahh.. Okay, thanks. Hang in there for a few minutes and I'll have a go at it Right Now Cheers From Drakino at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 4 18:23:00 2003 From: Drakino at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Drakino@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:05:11 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: BBS and riocar.org suggestion Message-ID: Drakino, I'll volunteer to maintain a 3rd party add-on section of riocar.org. PM me if you're interested.PM me with your username, real name, e-mail and a desired initial password for access to RioCar.org. From mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 4 18:52:00 2003 From: mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mlord@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:05:14 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Hijack v337 Message-ID: Okay, Hijack v337 will have a menu entry for "Tuner AF Blocking" -- toggle it to "Enabled" to try blocking the AF functionality. I think that this will also block ALL RDS functionality, but am just guessing at this point. It can be changed on the fly, without rebooting, so you can turn it on/off for testing purposes. I have no idea whether it actually works or not. ;-) It'll be about 10 minutes or so (from this message being posted) until Hijack v337 appears on the website. Cheers From taym at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 4 18:52:00 2003 From: taym at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (taym@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:05:21 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: I would _really_ appreciate any feedback at al Message-ID: Mark, thank you so much. I wish I still had a radio to test it with. I am unable to provide any useful feedback on your new hijack version, but I will relatively soon, hopefully. Certainly others here with the same rds problem will give good feedback. Again, thanks for your help! :-) From mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 4 18:54:00 2003 From: mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mlord@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:05:26 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: I would _really_ appreciate any feedback at al Message-ID: Okay, see the posting about Hijack v337 elsewhere in this thread for the new "Tuner AF Blocking" menu entry. From msaeger at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 4 19:45:00 2003 From: msaeger at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (msaeger@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:05:31 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Best Portable player right now? Message-ID: I couldn't care less about a tuner. All they every put in are FM and the only stations I listen to are AM anyway. I wouldn't say the tuner is necessary the all mighty ipod has no tuner and no one will say anything bad about it. (other than it costs too much) From tfabris at jps.net Wed Jun 4 21:16:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:05:36 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Auto-loading the XML remote window. Message-ID: Okay, I cheated. If your player is named "empeg" on the network, and you've put the XML files in their default location, then you can just run these. If you want them to point to another location, then specify that location instead as a command line parameter (i.e., make a shortcut and edit the shortcut). From pache at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 4 21:35:00 2003 From: pache at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (pache@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:05:41 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Best Portable player right now? Message-ID: All they every put in are FM and the only stations I listen to are AM anyway. Maybe in the states but here in europe I assure you that FM don't only have FM music. And for me it's important to have live news (you know radios don't only provides musics). I wouldn't say the tuner is necessary the all mighty ipod has no tuner and no one will say anything bad about it. (other than it costs too much) Well, that's the main reason I don't have an iPod yet, thought I'm an Apple addict. From msaeger at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 4 22:20:00 2003 From: msaeger at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (msaeger@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:05:48 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Best Portable player right now? Message-ID: No Almost all music stations (large boring corporate) are on FM. When I listen to the radio it usually the local collage station which is on AM. From maczrool at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 4 23:19:00 2003 From: maczrool at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (maczrool@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 4 22:05:52 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Best Portable player right now? Message-ID: All the college stations here are on FM, but I never really cared for them anyway. Stu From elvis at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 02:12:00 2003 From: elvis at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (elvis@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:00:20 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Is it too late for my 30GB? Message-ID: I had a service order in for my 30GB back in December, but I wanted to wait until I got my 60GB back. I'm finally ready to send it in but haven't gotten a respo from carsupport. I know they were pretty much closing it down but I had this irrational hope that since it was supposed to go in for repair, and the 60GB repair took 4 MONTHS to do, that I might be able to get it done. Am I out of luck? From elvis at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 02:24:00 2003 From: elvis at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (elvis@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:00:27 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of Message-ID: You have no idea how fortunate you are. I purchased my original empeg tuner for $220. Shortly after I did people were purchasing theirs for upwards of $400! Totally insane. From hybrid8 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 02:26:00 2003 From: hybrid8 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (hybrid8@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:00:34 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Best Portable player right now? Message-ID: A tuner in a product for me equates to "cheap" - a no sale. Glad one isn't in the Karma. You can buy a portable micro-sized radio for less than a buck, with headphones, in bulk (sure, maybe a container full). But on a scale most people can handle, you can pick one up from one vendor or another at any tech-related tradeshow as a giveaway. Yeah, this is an extreme example showing how cheap a tuner can be. I think te Pearl is small enough that you can carry two products. What CURRENT product do people use that has both a tuner and radio receiver? Radio died in 1993 (or maybe it was 1991). The only reason I ever switch to tuner in the car is to avoid having my amps pop when I insert my empeg. Now if people want to complain that it doesn't play video, then I'm all ears. :-) Bruno From canuckInLA at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 03:08:00 2003 From: canuckInLA at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (canuckInLA@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:00:42 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Is it too late for my 30GB? Message-ID: I think there was a post somewhere from Rob saying that any support issues that had been opened prior to the dissolution of the support department would be resolved. From rowitech at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 04:55:00 2003 From: rowitech at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (rowitech@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:00:50 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Oops, empeg crashed on the ground Message-ID: This morning I lost contact between my hand and my empeg while going to my car. It has fallen down about 30cm to the ground. I don't understand how lazy I could be. But I had luck, all works, only the fascia has a little -boing- (don't know the word) on the upper left edge. The damages are more psychological. I thought I got an heartattack when my hand lost my empeg. I don't want to feel this again. Just wanted to let you know: Be careful, it can happen everywhere you are... Rolf (thinking about an empeg-lost-insurance or an jewel-case) From pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 07:34:00 2003 From: pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (pgrzelak@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:00:58 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Is it too late for my 30GB? Message-ID: Greetings! What kind of problem are you having with it? Display? Physical damage? Maybe it is somthing that can be corrected directly. From sundayjumper at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 09:22:00 2003 From: sundayjumper at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (sundayjumper@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:01:05 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] It's not an Empeg... Message-ID: ...but it's got a RISC processor < VFD display. Probably only time before they add a HDD to it. LINK If they can get them out at the price they're quoting, I think they'll sell rather well. Steve. From pache at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 09:25:00 2003 From: pache at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (pache@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:01:13 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Best Portable player right now? Message-ID: I think te Pearl is small enough that you can carry two products. I already carry two products, a mobile phone (SonyEricsson P800) and a PocketPC. The P800 do play MP3, but actually the max memory it 64mb (it's a lot for a phone, but not enough for a MP3 player). I use my PocketPC also for playing MP3, but it didn't have enough storage memory for me (4 albums in 256mb) and the battery last only a day while I'm using it like a player . I don't use moving part memory (Microdrive or Toshiba drive like the iPod) to avoid even shorter battery life. I was thinking to buy a new product : the Pearl, so I don't want a fourth one to carry around. Some mobile do have radio inside (Nokia, Samsung, Siemens) but not the P800 }:-(. What CURRENT product do people use that has both a tuner and radio receiver? What do you mean by this? A tuner could also be used to receive VHF TV signal and a radio could also be used like a receiver/transmitter (like a CB or a walkie-talkie). For me when I say "radio" I mean a radio to receive FM/AM station. From rob at empeg.com Thu Jun 5 10:00:00 2003 From: rob at empeg.com (Rob Voisey) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:01:20 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Best Portable player right now? Message-ID: _Well, that's the main reason I don't have an iPod yet, thought I'm an Apple addict._ On the other hand a HUGE number of people do have an iPod, so statistically I think we're on fairly safe ground. These decisions are based on market research - some of our new products have a tuner because enough potential customers want one, but they are the lower end products. Rob From rob at empeg.com Thu Jun 5 10:04:00 2003 From: rob at empeg.com (Rob Voisey) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:01:27 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: It's not an Empeg... Message-ID: _...but it's got a RISC processor < VFD display_ ...as do some microwave ovens. From rob at empeg.com Thu Jun 5 10:08:00 2003 From: rob at empeg.com (Rob Voisey) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:01:33 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Is it too late for my 30GB? Message-ID: That should be covered if you get it in VERY soon. I know Rob is down to the last few repairs now - these are ones that are non trivial and have taken a long time. One of them required ten hours of diagnosis (OK so if we had KNOWN it would take ten hours we'd have thrown it in the bin and replaced it) which is slowing things down somewhat. Rob From booey at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 10:20:00 2003 From: booey at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (booey@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:01:39 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Best Portable player right now? Message-ID: Radio died in 1993 (or maybe it was 1991). Bruno, Radio died in 1991? what planet are you living on? From robricc at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 10:23:00 2003 From: robricc at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (robricc@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:01:44 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Best Portable player right now? Message-ID: what planet are you living on?Canada. :-) From mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 10:26:00 2003 From: mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mlord@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:01:48 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Hijack v337 and RDS/AF Issues Message-ID: Hijack v337 is out, and includes a new menu entry, _Tuner AF Blocking_, which attempts to disable the RDS AF feature for those having trouble with it. I suspect it also disables everything to do with RDS, but have no idea whether it helps at all. Has anyone (UK/Europe) tried this yet? Cheers From mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 10:30:00 2003 From: mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mlord@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:01:53 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Best Portable player right now? Message-ID: Which is really weird, as in Canada we actually have comercial-free radio (CBC), as well as good reception of the USA NPR stations in most areas! I listen 80% to radio, 20% to historic audio (aka. prerecorded MP3s on my player). Cheers From wfaulk at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 10:39:00 2003 From: wfaulk at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (wfaulk@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:01:58 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: It's not an Empeg... Message-ID: I sure do love products that print their feature list right on the front. That's helpful if you ever forget what it is. :-p) It would also help thieves when they're out ``shopping''. From FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 10:41:00 2003 From: FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (FerretBoy@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:02:02 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Best Portable player right now? Message-ID: The only radio I ever listen to is talk radio. In fact, I got so tired of the same repetitious songs and annoying DJ’s that I stopped listening to music on the radio even before I got my Empeg. No, radio is not a necessary or even desired feature for me. From wfaulk at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 10:43:00 2003 From: wfaulk at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (wfaulk@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:02:07 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Best Portable player right now? Message-ID: Bruno, Radio died in 1991? what planet are you living on?Really. It was at least five years earlier than that. I seriously haven't listened to any significant amount of radio since, probably, 1987. I'd pretty much gotten sick of the dozen songs they play by that point in my life. From cushman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 10:44:00 2003 From: cushman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (cushman@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:02:13 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: It's not an Empeg... Message-ID: Like people who have personalized license places that say "MY BEEMR" or "03HUMMR". Oh, I didn't realize that you owned a Hummer until I saw your license plate! It's a good thing you got that personalized plate to tell me that you owned a Hummer, because when you RAN ME OVER I thought it was a Geo. From pache at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 11:00:00 2003 From: pache at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (pache@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:02:17 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Best Portable player right now? Message-ID: These decisions are based on market research Yes, I already notice that I'm not part of the HUGE part of population. Some hint : - I have 2 empeg, - but don't have a car - I use cable and ADSL for connecting to the net at home - I use a Mac and a PC at home (only PC at work) - at work I use COBOL language - my mother is from US, my grandmother is form Russia, I was born in Africa and I leave in Switzerland - I still listen to radio ;-) - and my shoes are dark. From taym at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 11:03:00 2003 From: taym at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (taym@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:02:22 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Best Portable player right now? Message-ID: I don't think I would ever be even able to listen to music on the radio. I can't find what I like when I like it... On the other hand I listen to the radio every morning while going to work. It has become a nice habit, but only because there's a radio station I really like that broadcasts talks about current int'l news and interviews and comments which I find brilliant and interesting. I don't think I'd ever want to give up that, now. From booey at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 11:37:00 2003 From: booey at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (booey@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:02:27 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Best Portable player right now? Message-ID: well, it sounds like we have a split on the radio issue.. which makes the point that it is NOT such an off the wall feature that only the "Low End" user would want. Rob, how much would it drive the price up of the unit if an FM tuner was built in? Why not pack it with as many features as possible? is the overhead that much more? b From Lupo at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 12:03:00 2003 From: Lupo at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Lupo@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:02:32 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: It's not an Empeg... Message-ID: I d/loaded the vids, seems like it already has an HDD inside...But really, at that price it would be amazing, cause they claim to be upgradable as oposed to Sony and Pioneer's HDD-players. From yn0t_ at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 12:04:00 2003 From: yn0t_ at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (yn0t_@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:02:37 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Oops, empeg crashed on the ground Message-ID: Not that your point needs further reenforcement, but... Here are others who feel your pain: http://empeg.comms.net/php/showthreaded.php?Cat= http://empeg.comms.net/php/showthreaded.php?Cat= http://empeg.comms.net/php/showthreaded.php?Cat= http://empeg.comms.net/php/showthreaded.php?Cat= And my personal contribution to the support group... http://empeg.comms.net/php/showthreaded.php?Cat= Don't let this happen to your empeg, kids. From tman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 12:16:00 2003 From: tman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (tman@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:02:42 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: It's not an Empeg... Message-ID: There are a lot of things that say they're "upgradable" but in most cases you won't ever see the upgrade or if they do manage to release an upgrade any significant changes. Most companies would prefer for you to buy their latest and greatest instead of just extending the life of your old equipment. I know empeg is an exception. Pioneer and Sony units also can be flash upgraded I believe which is what this unit does. - Trevor From DeadFire at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 12:26:00 2003 From: DeadFire at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (DeadFire@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:02:47 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Oops, empeg crashed on the ground Message-ID: I had numerous heart attacks during the early months of my empeg use. I've dropped it everywhere except outside on the pavement. Each time I ran to make sure it was okay, and each time I was lucky. Considering how many times I've dropped it, I decided that my luck can't last forever. At least one of the threads Tony linked for you mentions Pelican cases. If your thinking of getting a case, I would recommend either the 1200 or the 1400. I use the 1400 because it's good for carrying some small accessories along with the empeg. And I no longer worry about dropping it. From Lupo at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 12:31:00 2003 From: Lupo at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Lupo@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:02:50 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: It's not an Empeg... Message-ID: Yeah, you're probably right. I didn't know about the Sony and Pioneer though, thanks for that! From tman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 12:34:00 2003 From: tman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (tman@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:02:53 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: It's not an Empeg... Message-ID: Ah. Remember, just because it IS upgradable doesn't mean Pioneer and Sony will release any upgrades for it! I think it's mainly for bugfixes. Can't quite remember where and who said it had flash for the firmware. It does look quite interesting though for it's price. I think I'll stick with the empeg for now :-) - Trevor From Lupo at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 12:37:00 2003 From: Lupo at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Lupo@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:02:57 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: It's not an Empeg... Message-ID: Hehe :-) Me too! But I'll keep looking for that player, just for curiosity. It's a russian product (at least that's what I understand) and I think that's quite amazing. From yn0t_ at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 12:47:00 2003 From: yn0t_ at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (yn0t_@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:03:01 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Hijack v337 and RDS/AF Issues Message-ID: I suspect it also disables everything to do with RDS, but have no idea whether it helps at all. Yay! Since RDS is virtually worthless in the US, I will be very happy to have this feature. I am sick of having my clock be wrong every time I go to an RDS-enabled station. From trs24 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 13:32:00 2003 From: trs24 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (trs24@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:03:06 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: It's not an Empeg... Message-ID: Yeah - it definitely does look interesting. Judging from my experiance with Russian products either it will be a VERY high quality product or it will just be a piece of crap - hopefully the former. - trs From rowitech at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 13:33:00 2003 From: rowitech at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (rowitech@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:03:10 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Oops, empeg crashed on the ground Message-ID: I've read all Threads linked above. Our empeg seems to be unbreakable in most cases :-). But I won't try it again ;-). Rolf From Rezolution at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 13:45:00 2003 From: Rezolution at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Rezolution@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:03:14 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: latest tuner kit update Message-ID: I wonder how close he is to shipping #94... I don't think I have ever looked forward to burning myself with a soldering iron before :-) From elvis at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 14:00:00 2003 From: elvis at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (elvis@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:03:18 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Is it too late for my 30GB? Message-ID: I got the bad news. I'm [censored]. }:-( From Chimaera at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 14:11:00 2003 From: Chimaera at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Chimaera@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:03:24 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Texas Meet Details < Poll Message-ID: I will be there too, From davekirk at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 16:10:00 2003 From: davekirk at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (davekirk@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:03:28 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Best Portable player right now? Message-ID: I don't think I've seen a tuner inside any hard disk portable. I daresay there must be one but none spring to mind. -robFor the record, Archos makes a hard disk player with FM tuner built in. Creative's Jukebox and Zen players have a plug-in remote unit which also provides an FM tuner. I happen to agree with your position, though. Radio here is crap and it wouldn't matter to me whether there's a tuner. From genixia at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 16:56:00 2003 From: genixia at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (genixia@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:03:33 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Best Portable player right now? Message-ID: The only reason I'd want radio on the Karma would be if had weatherband, so that I'd be able to find out if God decided to piss on me whilst I was jogging (yeah...like that'd ever happen). I'd much rather see other features. Such as 10m water resistance. That would be useful. From ineedcolor at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 17:06:00 2003 From: ineedcolor at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (ineedcolor@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:03:38 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: It's not an Empeg... Message-ID: > Like people who have personalized license places that say "MY BEEMR" or "03HUMMR". Kinda like this? :-) And I know that there are a few out there who are dying to find out what DSM means... ;-) From cushman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 17:17:00 2003 From: cushman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (cushman@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:03:43 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: It's not an Empeg... Message-ID: *laughs* That's not as bad as one I saw the other day. It was on a bright yellow Subaru WRX, and the plate simply read "WRX". Now I like WRXs (I own an Outback), but come on. Way to state the obvious, dude. From loren at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 17:24:00 2003 From: loren at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (loren@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:03:50 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: It's not an Empeg... Message-ID: that's almost as bad as getting "EMPEG" on your license plate! Ahahahaha... ha .....ha ... Sorry Tony. ;-) From mwest at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 17:30:00 2003 From: mwest at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mwest@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:03:54 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Sync Problem Message-ID: Worked like a charm guys... thanks a lot. Sorry for taking so long to answer... Trigonometry keeps sucking up my free time. From mwest at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 17:31:00 2003 From: mwest at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mwest@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:03:59 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Sync Problem Message-ID: By the way... what did I just do? :-) From pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 17:32:00 2003 From: pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (pgrzelak@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:04:05 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: It's not an Empeg... Message-ID: Of course, the irony is that Tony's is a completely stealth install... From pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 17:34:00 2003 From: pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (pgrzelak@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:04:10 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Sync Problem Message-ID: Greetings! Normally, the "swapon /swapfile" command takes the default swap partition (I do not remember the size) and makes it available. This way, the kernel has the physical memory plus the swap to play with, taking your 16MB up to 16+x. What this did was to create another "swap" space, using space from the root partition, and adding it as well to give you 16+x+y MB of RAM - enough to get you through your sync. Note - I have not seen the duplicate block problem before, so you will not need to do this for every sync going forward. I think this was more a special case, based on the type of error that fsck found. From thinfourth2 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 18:24:00 2003 From: thinfourth2 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (thinfourth2@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:04:15 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Best Portable player right now? Message-ID: Arse doesn't have the empeg playlist system Any chance of it making it over to 2.0 karma otherwise it might be bad karma but i shall reserve judgement till i get my sticky mitts on one ,as sexy the ipod is the music selection system sucks in comparisson to the empeg. How about other features like the insert features of the empeg giviing you a dynamic playlist for the want of another term. As to the group buy for the BBs folk here in europe i would sign up for one. If not i have two recivers so it isn't immpossible but a group buy would be very appreciated From tfabris at jps.net Thu Jun 5 18:29:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:04:20 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Best Portable player right now? Message-ID: as sexy the ipod is the music selection system sucks in comparisson to the empeg. Keep in mind that the Empeg Car is the only product that has the hierarchical playlist system. Not even the Rio Central has hierarchical playlists. I wish it did. }:-( From davec at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 18:37:00 2003 From: davec at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (davec@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:04:25 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Oops, empeg crashed on the ground Message-ID: I dropped mine once and broke the nipple. (Can't find the thread I started) Got it back from the support people and the display would still get all weird and the player would lock up randomly. On the third trip back over the pond for the problem, we struck a deal where I paid the shipping and they replaced the unit. I don't know if they ever found out what the problem was, but my situation was resolved, very much to my satisfaction. :-) From Archeon at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 19:08:00 2003 From: Archeon at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Archeon@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:04:31 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Best Portable player right now? Message-ID: It seems there IS a way to get FM now on the iPod. Ok, so it's not built-in, but it's a good option. See here. From Archeon at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 19:09:00 2003 From: Archeon at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Archeon@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:04:36 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Best Portable player right now? Message-ID: Keep in mind that the Empeg Car is the only product that has the hierarchical playlist system. Not even the Rio Central has hierarchical playlists. I wish it did. I'm still hoping it will be a 2.0 feature. Rob already said it might be. From tarkie at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 20:08:00 2003 From: tarkie at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (tarkie@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:04:41 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Hijack v337 and RDS/AF Issues Message-ID: Clock wrong?! Am i missing something here? My empeg clock is always gaining time, when I go to an RDS station, the radio shows the correct time Is it meant to reset the empeg time from RDS? As mine clearly isnt From yn0t_ at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 20:14:00 2003 From: yn0t_ at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (yn0t_@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:04:46 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Hijack v337 and RDS/AF Issues Message-ID: Is it meant to reset the empeg time from RDS? As mine clearly isnt No. It doesn't set the empeg's time based on RDS time. But in my area, RDS time is always wrong. Yeah, the RTC on the empeg isn't perfect, but it's much more reliable than the stations around here who can't be bothered with nuisances like "daylight savings time" or even "setting the clock on their RDS transmitter." But they do seem to spend lots of time coming up with lame advertisements for their morning show to embed in the RDS info scroll area. Or, in other words, the ability to disable RDS is a god^H^H^HLordsend. From Shonky at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 20:15:00 2003 From: Shonky at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Shonky@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:04:53 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Hijack v337 and RDS/AF Issues Message-ID: Seems to work too well... No matter whether I had the messages enabled or disabled, I didn't receive a single RDS message on the one station that broadcasts it. I assume from a cursory glance at the patch that you are simply blocking most if not all RDS messages? Either way that's fine for me (and stops the stupid AF stuff retuning over and over) since I don't need or use the RDS but I'm sure others will complain. Also, one other thing I noticed. In the menu, I assume you are going for alphabetical order? In my case the Tuner AF Blocking option was appearing before Show Flash Savearea. It took me a while to find it because of this. You can see this in this part of the patch. 
@@ -3059,6 +3083,7 @@
 	{ blankerfuzz_menu_label,	blankerfuzz_display,	blankerfuzz_move,	0},
 	{ blanker_menu_label,		blanker_display,	blanker_move,		0},
 	{ saveserial_menu_label,	saveserial_display,	saveserial_move,	0},
+	{ tuner_af_blocking_menu_label, tuner_af_blocking_display, tuner_af_blocking_move, 0},
 	{"Show Flash Savearea",		savearea_display,	savearea_move,		0},
 	{ bass_menu_label,		bass_display,		tone_move,		0},
 	{ treble_menu_label,		treble_display,		tone_move,		0},
BTW: I am in Australia. Thanks, From mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 20:57:00 2003 From: mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mlord@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:04:57 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Hijack v337 and RDS/AF Issues Message-ID: Thanks, Shonky. I figured it would probably nuke all RDS messages (for now). I'll fix the menu ordering for v338, and rename it to "Tuner RDS Disable", since that's what it seems to be doing. Ideally, I'd like to be able to differentiate between the AF messages and everything else, to allow finer-grained control. But I suspect the RDS messages themselves travel over a different connection than the Tuner serial port.. Right now it's just blocking the "retune to frequency B" message, that is used by the player s/w to do RDS scanning. No retune == no scanning. Cheers From rob at empeg.com Thu Jun 5 21:01:00 2003 From: rob at empeg.com (Rob Voisey) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:05:03 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Best Portable player right now? Message-ID: _How about other features like the insert features of the empeg giviing you a dynamic playlist for the want of another term._ We've built on that. Pearl has a comprehensive running order editor which lets you save out the running order as a playlist if you want. Hierarchical playlists are a logical upgrade so I'd anticipate they'll show up at some point. If they do we could put car player support into RMM2 which would be nice :-) Rob From ashmoore at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 21:11:00 2003 From: ashmoore at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (ashmoore@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:05:07 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Texas Meet Details < Poll Message-ID: Both me and my better half as well as our pint size will be there From mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 21:23:00 2003 From: mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mlord@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:05:12 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Hijack v338 Message-ID: Okay, Hijack v338 is out. The "Tuner AF Blocking" menu entry has been renamed (and placed in correct sequence!) to "Tuner RDS Control" in the Hijack menu. Still does exactly the same function as v337 -- cosmetic changes only. Cheers From msaeger at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 21:35:00 2003 From: msaeger at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (msaeger@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:05:19 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Best Portable player right now? Message-ID: And of course this one will sync with the central right :-p) From foxtrot_xray at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 22:48:00 2003 From: foxtrot_xray at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (foxtrot_xray@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:05:23 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] External VFD PCB signup! Message-ID: Okay, first, the nitty gritty. -This is a small PCB (2in x 3in) that converts RS232 from the Empeg to TTL for a remove VFD. -The VFD is designed for a Noritake VFD, the same type (if not size) in the Empeg itself. -The PCB converts +12, either from an external power supply (AC adapter), or from the Empeg's serial thru the Sled. -On the PCB there is a switch which 'flips' the TX/RX signals so that you don't have to use a crossover cable. -Right now, estimated price is $30. This includes PCB < components. I'm not makin' any moey off of this, so the more people that order, the cheaper it'll end up. -Estimated production date is beg-mid August. -No, there is no software that actually writes to the VFD. Yet. I may come up with something for my personal use, and I'll let everyone know when. If any programmer wants to try something, let me know, I can forward communication specs for the display. -The price does NOT include the VFD. If you select an option where it includes the VFD, and I decide not to purchase the VFD's, you'll get the same option, minus VFD. Sign up Here!! You can also check your info there. Ignore site graphics and such. I just had to pick one of my domains that had database and PHP access. :-) PM or Email me if I forgot to say anything obvious.. From hybrid8 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 5 23:28:00 2003 From: hybrid8 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (hybrid8@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:05:29 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Best Portable player right now? Message-ID: Oops. I didn't mean both tuner and receiver. Same thing. :-) I meant tuner and MP3 player... Bruno From yn0t_ at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 00:13:00 2003 From: yn0t_ at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (yn0t_@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:05:34 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: External VFD PCB signup! Message-ID: Sounds very cool, Mike. A few questions, since I arrived late to the party over in the Projects forum. 1. In your best estimation, how much of a usable display would be expected from a 115,200 baud connection? I don't expect Toby's visuals on the remote display, that's of course way too much bandwidth... But what were *you* planning on putting on the remote display? 2. Are these displays small enough that they could be mounted in the dashboard, kind of like Hugo's little "mini-me" display thingie from a few months ago? Or even on the windshield up near the rear view mirror? That'd be SWEET. 3. I'm guessing that using this precludes the use of GPSapp or anything else that uses the serial port, right? Damnit why didn't the empeg guys think of adding a second COM port for the car??? :-) 4. I don't know how much time I am going to have this summer, but emphatic is already doing a lot of work to read the song data, including current track time, playlist length, etc... All things that would be good candidates to find their way to a remote display. Seems like it'd be a nice place for this kind of code to live... How complex is the communication protocol? If it's not too heavy of a coding task, maybe I could throw something in... From foxtrot_xray at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 01:24:00 2003 From: foxtrot_xray at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (foxtrot_xray@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:05:39 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: External VFD PCB signup! Message-ID: In reply to: Sounds very cool, Mike. A few questions, since I arrived late to the party over in the Projects forum. 1. In your best estimation, how much of a usable display would be expected from a 115,200 baud connection? I don't expect Toby's visuals on the remote display, that's of course way too much bandwidth... But what were *you* planning on putting on the remote display? 2. Are these displays small enough that they could be mounted in the dashboard, kind of like Hugo's little "mini-me" display thingie from a few months ago? Or even on the windshield up near the rear view mirror? That'd be SWEET. 3. I'm guessing that using this precludes the use of GPSapp or anything else that uses the serial port, right? Damnit why didn't the empeg guys think of adding a second COM port for the car??? 4. I don't know how much time I am going to have this summer, but emphatic is already doing a lot of work to read the song data, including current track time, playlist length, etc... All things that would be good candidates to find their way to a remote display. Seems like it'd be a nice place for this kind of code to live... How complex is the communication protocol? If it's not too heavy of a coding task, maybe I could throw something in... Good questions... 1. Personally, I planned to simply use mine for kinda a HUD. I drive a Mini Cooper, and the radio is viewable by the driver, but it's way off to the right hand side. So, I'm putting mine just in front and to the bottom of my Tachometer, which is mounted on the steeringwheel. Since I don't need the visulations right in front of me, I was going to simply use my display to show the current song playing. Title, Artist, Year, Album.. all the generic stuff, then maybe a few fields that I use custom-like. [Edit: Oh, the other reason I was going for text-only was because the VFD does not have gray-shading. It's either ON or OFF. I spent about a week messing with a small program I wrote that read the screen's display, and gave me the output either 'ON' or 'OFF', and adjusted the levels, and no matter which setting I put it at, Menus and aliased text was rather hard to read. (The visuals, however, didn't look too bad..) 2. These displays are friggin' TINY. At least, the one I plan on using (GW128x32C-K610A) has a viewable display area of roughly 1in high by 4in wide. The entire VFD board is 1.5in high by 5in wide.. Same dot resolution used by the Empeg, just higher DPI. :-) 3. Actually, I've been thinking about that. I don't know enough of the GPSapp to anser completely, but if the GPSapp does NOT need commands sent *TO* the GPS, then it wouldn't be difficult to just plug in a small serial 'Y' cable and cut the RX leads in it to the GPS, and on my little PCB, cut one trace. That way inbound to the Empeg comes FROM the GPS, and outbound goes To the VFD.. 4. It is pretty darn simple. In fact, upon powerup, the VFD defaults to having the cursor in the upper left-hand side. For characters simply send the ASCII code. (Straight Text). The manual says that the cursor will 'wrap' after it hits the end of the line, although I haven't tested it yet. (Will it move down a line? Will it cut off the last character if it can't fit? etc etc.) Other commands are usually preluded by a 'command' character (ASCII < 0x20), and then the values to that command. Quite, quite imple. The VFD dosn't return anything except "R" on powerup/reset, and "E" on command error. Of note, also, the VFD is standard color, however, they do sell filters for it, as I'm sure Darkstorm's gels would work just as well... Me. From tfabris at jps.net Fri Jun 6 01:40:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:05:44 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: External VFD PCB signup! Message-ID: No, there is no software that actually writes to the VFD. Yet. I may come up with something for my personal use, and I'll let everyone know when. If any programmer wants to try something, let me know, I can forward communication specs for the display. I was under the impression that Hugo has already got something working with some changes to the kernel. Perhaps he would like to share that code with the world. It could be incorporated into 3.0 or maybe into Hijack. You don't need to send ascii letters only. You can do graphics at 115,200 BPS. Some math: 128 pixels by 32 pixels = 4096 pixels per screenful. Assuming the kernel code only sends 1-bit graphic information, that means you could theoretically (depending on how the VFD wants its graphics inputted) get about 28 frames per second. That's not bad. And it could become a full display extender at that point. From msaeger at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 02:02:00 2003 From: msaeger at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (msaeger@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:00:19 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: External VFD PCB signup! Message-ID: What about the software "V99" was using for the remote display he made the video of ? He had the display and that neat joystick / rotary control hooked up somehow too. From foxtrot_xray at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 02:04:00 2003 From: foxtrot_xray at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (foxtrot_xray@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:00:27 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: External VFD PCB signup! Message-ID: Well, not exactly.. For every bit, you'd have to send: 3 characters to set the position, then 1 character to turn pixen on or off. 4 characters per pixel. (At lowest efficency, of course.) This would drop that down to roughly 6 frames/second. But, again, on top of that, alot of the graphics just wouldn't look pretty, since we have 4 'colors' on the main screen, and on the remote screen, we have 2... :-) Me. From foxtrot_xray at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 02:10:00 2003 From: foxtrot_xray at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (foxtrot_xray@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:00:35 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: External VFD PCB signup! Message-ID: Oh, and to address some of the e-mails - No, signing up does NOT mean you are actually going to BUY one. It's for me to get a measure of how many I'll have to make, therefore, a better price guesstimate. However, once I get to the point of making them, I will go by that list, starting at the beginning, so if you're NOT on it, you will have to sign up at the end. If I get to you, and you drop out, that's perfectly fine. I'll just give your e-mail to several adult sites. (Kidding! :-)) Again, right now, I'm estimating about 20 units, and if so, that will be about $30 each. Me. From Udders at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 02:22:00 2003 From: Udders at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Udders@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:00:44 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Best Portable player right now? Message-ID: < If any non-US BBS people want to get a Pearl I can look into some kind of group purchase when players are shipping. If this is possible, and would include those of us who are a little further afield, then count me in... I'm NZ and am holding out for Pearl's release, have bought a CD MP3 player(iRiver SlimX) to see me through until I can get my hands on the real thing...! Duncan p.s. I like FM tuners too, for traffic, weather, sporting events, and hearing new music, but as Rob said, it's a market research thing (and a fait accompli from what I gather) and I ain't gonna cry about it... :-P From genixia at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 03:06:00 2003 From: genixia at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (genixia@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:00:53 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: External VFD PCB signup! Message-ID: I don't think that splitting the Tx/Rx wouldn't work at the moment. I think that GPSapp will balk if it can't open the serial port. Maybe I'm wrong. From jarob10 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 03:49:00 2003 From: jarob10 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (jarob10@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:01:01 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: It's not an Empeg... Message-ID: i always pereferred vehicle rather than person-specific private plates. Each to their own i guess .... From DWallach at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 03:49:00 2003 From: DWallach at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Dan Wallach) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:01:09 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Texas Meet Details < Poll Message-ID: 90% likely, I'll be there as well. From tfabris at jps.net Fri Jun 6 04:20:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:01:17 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: External VFD PCB signup! Message-ID: For every bit, you'd have to send: 3 characters to set the position, then 1 character to turn pixen on or off. 4 characters per pixel. (At lowest efficency, of course.) This would drop that down to roughly 6 frames/second. Is that because the VFD doesn't support some kind of "blit" mode where you simply send it an ordered array of pixels? Seems kind of strange that they'd make a bitmapped display that couldn't actually take a bitmap as input. From V99 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 05:21:00 2003 From: V99 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (V99@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:01:24 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: External VFD PCB signup! Message-ID: I'm right in the middle of installing everything into my Miata.. I should have more pictures this weekend. My software is written for the 3100/3900 series Noritake displays.. The command set is very similar to some of their other ones like the 7000 series, but the one foxtrot_xray is using is totally different (and far simpler). It's fairly primitive at the moment (blitting by pixels changed, or the entire bitmap, etc), and really needs to be improved because I've painted myself into a corner speed-wise by choosing a display that's 4x the size (256x64) and only 38,400bps .. But I have some evil plans for the extra screen real-estate. > ... that means you could theoretically (depending on how the VFD wants its graphics inputted) get about 28 frames per second. That's not bad. And it could become a full display extender at that point. And that's just the simple way to do it (or the worst case).. depending on the command set of the chosen display the drawing can be optimized significantly. > Well, not exactly.. For every bit, you'd have to send: 3 characters to set the position, then 1 character to turn pixen on or off. 4 characters per pixel. (At lowest efficency, of course.) This would drop that down to roughly 6 frames/second. Is that because the VFD doesn't support some kind of "blit" mode where you simply send it an ordered array of pixels? The K610a does have commands to draw bitmaps by sending data either horizontally or vertically (0x18 and 0x19).. the 3900 and 7100s only do vertical, which is bloody annoying. I've attached the spec sheet for the K610a in case anybody wants to look at it (can't remember which are on their site and which you have to ask them for). > I don't think that splitting the Tx/Rx wouldn't work at the moment. I think that GPSapp will balk if it can't open the serial port. Maybe I'm wrong. Right now I have separate apps for blitting to my VFD and receive commands from the joystick.. they seem happy enough sharing the serial port (with the same code used to open it in each). From V99 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 05:28:00 2003 From: V99 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (V99@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:01:31 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: External VFD PCB signup! Message-ID: Just noticed this re-reading the thread.. regarding speeds: > 1. In your best estimation, how much of a usable display would be expected from a 115,200 baud connection? > You can do graphics at 115,200 BPS If we're talking about the tiny display foxtrot's using (and Hugo posted pics of), it only runs at 19,200bps max (unless Hugo releases whatever hackery he does to get it faster)... The 3100/3900-series is 38,400, and the 7000-series is 115,200. Even the primitive drawing that I have now is fast enough to be useful for non-vidual info modes. From GyroTech at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 05:55:00 2003 From: GyroTech at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (GyroTech@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:01:40 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: latest tuner kit update Message-ID: you're the lucky on - i'm #137 or something close. On the note opf soldering... Is there enough space in the unit to use chipset holders?? IE the little 'caddy'-type things for integerated circuits that means you solder the holder into place and don't have to worry about burning out the IC before it's even used?? If not, are the ICs being used good with resistence to heat?? I'd hate to get my kit at the end of summer only to blow out a chip that's really hard to get hold of. GT PS - if it would make things easier, i would be happy to pre-pay for my unit as long as insures that i do indeed get one. From NT2OOO at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 06:12:00 2003 From: NT2OOO at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (NT2OOO@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:01:46 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: External VFD PCB signup! Message-ID: photo of pcb assembled? From NT2OOO at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 06:14:00 2003 From: NT2OOO at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (NT2OOO@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:01:50 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Hijack v338 Message-ID: mark can you add FM STEREO / MONO switch feature? From furtive at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 06:32:00 2003 From: furtive at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (furtive@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:01:54 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Best Portable player right now? Message-ID: In reply to:If any non-US BBS people want to get a Pearl I can look into some kind of group purchase when players are shipping. Yes please From thinfourth2 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 06:36:00 2003 From: thinfourth2 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (thinfourth2@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:01:58 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Best Portable player right now? Message-ID: Oh central doesn't have hierarchical playlists i thought it was almost identical to the empeg From Cypher at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 07:03:00 2003 From: Cypher at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Cypher@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:02:02 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Anyone written an editor for the infoscroller font Message-ID: Guys, I have updated the editor to work with the Infoscroller font. It works fine to me, I have added greek characters support http://www.riocar.org/download.php?op=getit From Cypher at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 07:22:00 2003 From: Cypher at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Cypher@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:02:06 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Correction : Font Editor Message-ID: It has been long time since I last entered this Forum, and I hadn't noticed that there was wrong information about a utility I have uploaded in riocar.org. Last Octomber I created a font editor that worked for the Infoscroller font too. It had major bugs, and the font it produced didn't work at all in the player. I corrected all the bugs a week later, and I notified the guys at RioCar.org. But it seems that they didn't got it, and they are still releasing the wrong -non working- version. So any of you that may have downloaded that version, can get the new one from http://users.otenet.gr/~cypher/RioPlayerFontEditor2.zip Sorry for interfering in this thread, but I had to post that :-) From murray_wayper at yahoo.com.au Fri Jun 6 08:13:00 2003 From: murray_wayper at yahoo.com.au (Murray Wayper) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:02:11 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: It's not an Empeg... Message-ID: alright, own up. Who did it. I know you're out there. Who is the 'anonymous coward' who wrote that message? Re: Comments on CDD URAL ConceRt by Anonymous Coward on June 6, 2003 @03:14 Hey cool, someones copied the Empeg :-) nice work From mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 09:56:00 2003 From: mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mlord@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:02:17 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Hijack v338 Message-ID: I just checked into the FM Stereo/Mono thing briefly now.. it's done in the audio processor (DSP), controlled by the Y:STRO parameter (0==mono, 1==stereo). Perhaps our resident DSP guru (genixia?) could have a go that this particular feature for us? While poking around, I also stumbled over the Tuner's Local/Distance mode bit, if anyone has a GOOD use for that capability.. Cheers From foxtrot_xray at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 10:41:00 2003 From: foxtrot_xray at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (foxtrot_xray@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:02:25 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: External VFD PCB signup! Message-ID: Yeah, it's kind of strange. The display DOES have commands like 'box' and 'line', 'reverse' and such.. Just have to specifiy each dot when writing full-graphics. Now, you COULD write some algorithm that split the display up into sections, and converted the 'only changed' parts from the previous fram into batter commands, like line and fill boxes and such, but that would increase the CPU usage, definately.. :-) Me. From foxtrot_xray at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 10:44:00 2003 From: foxtrot_xray at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (foxtrot_xray@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:02:28 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: External VFD PCB signup! Message-ID: In reply to: The K610a does have commands to draw bitmaps by sending data either horizontally or vertically (0x18 and 0x19).. Ooh, no, you're right. I just posted where I didn't think it had a command like this, and you bring that up. Thanks. :-) It's still not AS highly optimized as sending jule 4096 woth of info (still goitta send headers) but it's somewhat better than 4 frames. :-) Me. From mwest at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 10:59:00 2003 From: mwest at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mwest@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:02:32 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Sync Problem Message-ID: Cool, thanks for the help guys! From Phoenix42 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 11:15:00 2003 From: Phoenix42 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Phoenix42@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:02:39 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: External VFD PCB signup! Message-ID: What is the estimated cost of the Noritake VFD? I would be intrested in something like this, as the eye distance between the road and the empeg is quite far in my Golf. From yn0t_ at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 12:31:00 2003 From: yn0t_ at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (yn0t_@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:02:43 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: External VFD PCB signup! Message-ID: Well, consider me interested in this project... It sounds very cool. From windchill at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 12:37:00 2003 From: windchill at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (windchill@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:02:47 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Best Portable player right now? Message-ID: This would be great. I am definetely interested in such a group buy! Marc From foxtrot_xray at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 12:46:00 2003 From: foxtrot_xray at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (foxtrot_xray@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:02:50 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: External VFD PCB signup! Message-ID: The model I'm using and the one that may come with thie kit if it works out easier, is roughly $120. I think if I have a certain amount, there's a cut in the price, but not sure at what quantity. (And, for the record all, those things are *BRIGHT*. Those many dots, packed in a small space..) Me. From Phoenix42 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 12:55:00 2003 From: Phoenix42 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Phoenix42@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:02:55 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: External VFD PCB signup! Message-ID: BRIGHT might not be good when placed in drivers view, is brighness adjustable? $120 sounds normal. From trs24 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 13:16:00 2003 From: trs24 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (trs24@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:02:59 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: External VFD PCB signup! Message-ID: is brighness adjustable?You could always adjust it with a tinted lens in front of the display. - trs From tfabris at jps.net Fri Jun 6 13:34:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:03:02 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Correction : Font Editor Message-ID: I was going to fix it for you, but when I go to the "Downloads" section of RioCar.org and grab the font editor from there, it already correctly links to and downloads this version: http://users.otenet.gr/~cypher/RioPlayerFontEditor2.zip ...which is the same one you just linked. Did Tom fix it already or something? From foxtrot_xray at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 13:35:00 2003 From: foxtrot_xray at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (foxtrot_xray@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:03:08 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: External VFD PCB signup! Message-ID: THey would work. On top of that, yes, brightness is adjustable. I don't have the spec sheet, but it either has 4 or 7 different levels of brighness. The only catch is that it's software controlled - meaning you ave to send it a brightness command from the serial port... Me. From pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 13:42:00 2003 From: pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (pgrzelak@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:03:12 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: External VFD PCB signup! Message-ID: Greetings! $120? I was able to get the ones in the empeg for about $60 each. If there is a part number for me to look up, I can try the same folks at Noritake, see if I can get something a bit better than $120... From rob at empeg.com Fri Jun 6 14:17:00 2003 From: rob at empeg.com (Rob Voisey) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:03:16 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: latest tuner kit update Message-ID: Anyone coming to the European Owners Meet on July 5th will have a chance to win a tuner kit (kindly donated by Patrick) in the raffle. There will also be a home dock donated by Mike and a Car Player donated by the empeg folk. Rob From msaeger at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 14:30:00 2003 From: msaeger at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (msaeger@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:03:20 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: External VFD PCB signup! Message-ID: You were just getting the glass display part right. I believe what he is getting is the display on a pcb that is ready to be connected to a serial port. From pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 14:44:00 2003 From: pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (pgrzelak@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:03:26 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: External VFD PCB signup! Message-ID: Valid point. From foxtrot_xray at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 14:50:00 2003 From: foxtrot_xray at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (foxtrot_xray@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:03:30 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: External VFD PCB signup! Message-ID: Hey, if you can get it cheaper, go for it, and let me know. Part # is _GW128x32C-K610A_... Won't save me anything, since I already got mine, but save some others some moola. :-) Me. From mtempsch at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 14:52:00 2003 From: mtempsch at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mtempsch@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:03:35 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Best Portable player right now? Message-ID: If any non-US BBS people want to get a Pearl I can look into some kind of group purchase when players are shipping. Anotherone interested here... /Michael From rob at empeg.com Fri Jun 6 14:55:00 2003 From: rob at empeg.com (Rob Voisey) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:03:39 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Is it too late for my 30GB? Message-ID: I'm going to respond to this publically as you would seem to have set precedent. I'm not sure your posts entirely convey the facts! It did take a long time to arrange to get your players in (as this was right at the time David resigned and FedEx didn't want to do business with us in Holland) however when we received your first player it was repaired and returned in three weeks. Again, that was longer than we'd have liked, but the player was sent back mid April. Return for the second player was authorised back in March. I realise you didn't want to send both players in at once, but your first player was returned to you almost two months ago - you could have sent the second player back any time during that period using the documentation we provided you with. Had you done so it would have been fixed under warranty. We provided lots of notice that support would be discontinued at the end of May, since SONICblue are in the process of going out of business and Rob's contract has ended. Rob From pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 15:32:00 2003 From: pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (pgrzelak@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:03:43 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: External VFD PCB signup! Message-ID: Greetings! Yup. Slightly better, anyway... The Noritake person I am dealing with is a car audio enthusiast, so he is always very helpful when I call and explain what the stuff is for. He was really concerned that I knew the size of the (very small) module, until I told him that these might be used in-gauge... For 20 units, I can get them at $105.93 per. The price goes down a little from there, but the big discounts don't start until you get to 100 units ($90). If anyone is interested, I am considering an order of 20 to cover (some of) the initial requests for the external VFD PCBs. Obviously, I don't want to get too many, because I don't want to have leftovers... From mtempsch at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 15:34:00 2003 From: mtempsch at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mtempsch@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:03:48 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: External VFD PCB signup! Message-ID: Definately interested in one. /Michael From trs24 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 15:51:00 2003 From: trs24 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (trs24@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:03:54 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: External VFD PCB signup! Message-ID: Also definitely interested in one. I sent through a request for PCB w/ vfd on foxtrot's site. - trs From yn0t_ at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 15:52:00 2003 From: yn0t_ at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (yn0t_@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:03:59 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: External VFD PCB signup! Message-ID: Okay, I'm surprised this hasn't been touched on yet, so I'm just throwing it out there... Three words... Heads.. up... display. I'm no whiz with lenses, mirrors, and other optical thingies, but couldn't a VFD be turned into a jet-fighter style heads-up display with a little trickeration? I'm not talking about something that shines right onto your field of view, but maybe something that shines song info and other goodies somewhere on your windshield that's out of the way (underneath/beside the rear view, maybe.) Seems that VFD's are pretty bright, and, at least for night time driving, this could actually be doable... Not that having a VFD in with the gauges and such isn't a great idea, but it'd be even cooler (and, yes, geekier) to have a heads-up display. So, am I crazy here? Or would this actually be feasible? From decay at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 15:57:00 2003 From: decay at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (decay@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:04:05 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Empeg mk1 working slowly Message-ID: Yeh! So, I have a mk1 (again mentionin' about it) and two HD's, 6GB and 20GB. There's about 3GB free on the player. I have Hijack 33x or 32x installed. Empeg software 2 final. Problem is that my player is slow. For doing the down-down-down, it could take ~5-10 secs to play. That's a long time to be w/o music incar d=/ Another thingie is the remote, trying to search the right artist / tune and there's a slight pause after each letter. So typing 'Garbage' with my instant-typing-sms-oriented-fingers and I'll see only 'Ga' on the screen, and slowly the rest of the letters are coming from somekind of cache.. Meepmeep! Normal activity or a software issue? Anything to be done? No, I don't want to solder an extra block of RAM on it d=/ Thinking about upgrading the HD's to bigger ones, but if the database gets too large on these... From tfabris at jps.net Fri Jun 6 15:59:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:04:09 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Empeg mk1 working slowly Message-ID: Are you running any third party programs from the @EXEC feature of Hijack? From decay at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 16:03:00 2003 From: decay at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (decay@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:04:15 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Empeg mk1 working slowly Message-ID: No. There was ynot's emphatic running a month ago, for a week or so. :-) well, maybe I'll check the config.ini once again. From maurij at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 16:04:00 2003 From: maurij at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (maurij@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:04:20 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Beating a dead horse Message-ID: Its been discussed so much i'm confussed I need a new IDE cable. i'm happy to pay for one if necessary. Should i email support or is it now too late and i need to find another solution? >From what i understand support for new problems finished may 31 or am i wrong? many thanks From foxtrot_xray at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 16:06:00 2003 From: foxtrot_xray at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (foxtrot_xray@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:04:26 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: External VFD PCB signup! Message-ID: I don't see why it couldn't. I think you couldn't use the display I was planning, because it'd be too small. You'd only see a blue-green blur on the road in front of you. :-) Anyone here good with optics? I would definately go for something like that, the way my dash is made out, I wouldn't even see the vfd, then.. :-) Me. From decay at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 16:06:00 2003 From: decay at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (decay@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:04:31 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Empeg mk1 working slowly Message-ID: Here's the end of my config.ini [ir_translate] 00B94604=20df04 [output] notify=1 [emphatic] button=menu 00b94615 button=left 00b9460c button=right 00b9460d [hijack] [shuffle] deduplicate=1 Can't remember what the ir_translate is for, and as far as I remember the emphatic sections remaps didn't work. They don't make any load, do they? From juenk at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 16:11:00 2003 From: juenk at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (juenk@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:04:36 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Best Portable player right now? Message-ID: < If any non-US BBS people want to get a Pearl I can look into some kind of group purchase when players are shipping. I'm interested as well (depending on the final $$) Jelle From foxtrot_xray at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 16:13:00 2003 From: foxtrot_xray at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (foxtrot_xray@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:04:42 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: External VFD PCB signup! Message-ID: In reply to: He was really concerned that I knew the size of the (very small) module, until I told him that these might be used in-gauge... What, is the size supposed to be top secret or something? :-) $105 isn't bad at all, I'm checking my records to see how many people said they might be interested in a VFD as well.. Can you ask him about the 'colored filters' they 'advertise' on their website? As of now, about a day after I put the page up, I have about 23 PCB's ordered from 13 different people, of which, 14 of those units INCLUDED a VFD. So, we're pretty close to 20 already... Me. From Redrum at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 16:19:00 2003 From: Redrum at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Redrum@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:04:48 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Best Portable player right now? Message-ID: Bruno, perhpas you'd like this one... http://www.msnbc.com/news/921628.asp Oh, wait, has a tuner, must be "cheap." :-) From NT2OOO at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 16:20:00 2003 From: NT2OOO at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (NT2OOO@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:04:53 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Hijack v338 Message-ID: thanks mark i can wait :-D From tfabris at jps.net Fri Jun 6 16:33:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:04:59 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Beating a dead horse Message-ID: have you tried re-crimping the one you've got? From draos at 4mate.hr Fri Jun 6 16:34:00 2003 From: draos at 4mate.hr (Dragi Raos) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:05:03 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: External VFD PCB signup! Message-ID: We would either need a display with mirrored image, or another mirror, and I cannot see how could reflection from windshield fail to be rather distorted. Depends on geometry, of course.... From maurij at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 16:35:00 2003 From: maurij at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (maurij@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:05:08 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Beating a dead horse Message-ID: yup, that's part of the reason i need a new one. i read the post about it and gave it a go. I should have read the faq about it which recommended caution. From tfabris at jps.net Fri Jun 6 16:36:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:05:13 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Empeg mk1 working slowly Message-ID: Remove the following lines: _00B94604=20df04 notify=1 button=menu 00b94615 button=left 00b9460c button=right 00b9460d _ See if that fixes it. Is there anything else of note in your config.ini we should see? From tfabris at jps.net Fri Jun 6 16:37:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:05:18 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Beating a dead horse Message-ID: Heh. :-) From phi144 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 16:38:00 2003 From: phi144 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (phi144@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:05:23 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Beating a dead horse Message-ID: Actually I just ordered a couple IDE cables from support today. Rob is going through email as quickly as possible. He actually responded very qucikly to my request. Email him at carsupport@sonicblue.com. The price for me was $16US per cable, which included postage. Depending on the area in which you live that may differ. Don't know. Thanks again Rob, From decay at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 16:39:00 2003 From: decay at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (decay@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:05:29 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Empeg mk1 working slowly Message-ID: notify=1 umm, i thought this was used to something i need? what could it be, can't remember. I remember emphatic needed this, but since I'm not using it anymore.. What else needs that? From tfabris at jps.net Fri Jun 6 16:42:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:05:34 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Empeg mk1 working slowly Message-ID: What else needs that? Certain third-party programs need it. But as you said, you're not running any. So check and see if removing it fixes the problem. From maurij at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 16:42:00 2003 From: maurij at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (maurij@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:05:39 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Beating a dead horse Message-ID: cool, i sent support an email just to cover all bases, but didn't know if it would still be the right course of action in june thanks for the info From yn0t_ at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 16:43:00 2003 From: yn0t_ at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (yn0t_@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:05:44 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: External VFD PCB signup! Message-ID: We would either need a display with mirrored image, or another mirror, and I cannot see how could reflection from windshield fail to be rather distorted. Depends on geometry, of course.... As for the mirroring, why not just flip the image as needed in software? Distortion is a problem, but aren't there ways to minimize that? If nothing else, maybe some special kind of "screen" that you attach to your winshield? Takes away from some of the neatness of having it projected right onto the windshield, but might minimize distortion... From decay at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 16:44:00 2003 From: decay at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (decay@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:05:49 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Empeg mk1 working slowly Message-ID: Ok. This is the end of my config.ini now: [aux] source= title= artist= [ir_translate] [output] [hijack] [shuffle] deduplicate=1 Dunno, maybe the downdowndown is a little faster, maybe not. I'll see it next time when I'm driving around and fiddle w/ my remote :-) Thanks Tony! From elvis at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 16:49:00 2003 From: elvis at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (elvis@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:05:54 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Is it too late for my 30GB? Message-ID: The turn around time for my player, including delays caused by changing support was January- Dunno, maybe the downdowndown is a little faster, maybe not. Down Down Down is always slow for a large database. That's normal. It was the other problems you listed that I was thinking might be solved with removal of the Notify. From draos at 4mate.hr Fri Jun 6 16:51:00 2003 From: draos at 4mate.hr (Dragi Raos) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:06:05 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: External VFD PCB signup! Message-ID: > As for the mirroring, why not just flip the image as needed in software? I assumed we are talking display that only accepts ASCII. With graphical display, of course, we do that in SW. > Distortion is a problem, but aren't there ways to minimize that? If nothing else, maybe some special kind of "screen" that you attach to your winshield? Takes away from some of the neatness of having it projected right onto the windshield, but might minimize distortion... The reflective surfase just has to be flat. From yn0t_ at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 16:59:00 2003 From: yn0t_ at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (yn0t_@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:06:10 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: External VFD PCB signup! Message-ID: I assumed we are talking display that only accepts ASCII. With graphical display, of course, we do that in SW. Ah, hrmmm.. Yeah. A mirror, I guess. :-) The reflective surfase just has to be flat. Hmm. I don't think a little bit of distortion would be a problem, on my windshield at least, the center area is flat enough that I think it'd be very legible. The question is, would a VFD put out the light in enough of a... umm... direct manner (?) that it wouldn't be fuzzy when projected onto the windshield... This is where we need our physics PhD's to step up and join the fun... From mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 17:03:00 2003 From: mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mlord@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:06:15 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: latest tuner kit update Message-ID: Mark, not Mike! From draos at 4mate.hr Fri Jun 6 17:11:00 2003 From: draos at 4mate.hr (Dragi Raos) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:06:20 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: External VFD PCB signup! Message-ID: VFD won't be projecting anything; your windshield simply acts as a mirror. Now, aditional problem is that you will probalby get reflection from several wintdshield's layers... Try simple test with bright drawing on white piece of paper (or perhaps better, little pieces of tinfoil or similar bright bits on something dark) on sunny day with the car turned into the sun. Place it under the windshield and more around to see posibilities for placement and resulting image quality. Hm, small display like this would perhaps benefit from a Fresnel lens... From Archeon at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 17:12:00 2003 From: Archeon at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Archeon@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:06:25 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: External VFD PCB signup! Message-ID: While I really like this idea, wouldn't it be hard to see the projected display on the windshield in bright daylight? (or even worse, in direct sunlight?) From Allistah at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 17:37:00 2003 From: Allistah at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Allistah@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:06:30 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Remember tuner on DC, MP3 on AC possible? Message-ID: I mostly listen to the radio when in the car and listen to MP3s when in the office. Every day when I get back into the car at the end of the day my Mk2 always stays on the MP3 player and I have to switch it back to the tuner. Is there any way so that it will remember what mode it was on when on DC and AC? That way it will just go back to that last mode when you switch power sources. Any ideas or suggestions welcome. Thanks! -Allistah From tfabris at jps.net Fri Jun 6 17:41:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:06:35 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Remember tuner on DC, MP3 on AC possible? Message-ID: You could have it play an @DC macro to always switch to the tuner when it boots in the car. From yn0t_ at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 17:43:00 2003 From: yn0t_ at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (yn0t_@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:06:40 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: External VFD PCB signup! Message-ID: Yeah, and in my original thoughts on this, I said "at least for night time driving." Obviously something like this would be constrained by ambient light and especially by direct sunlight. The use of some kind of tinted or translucent screen might help this somewhat, I'm not sure... But I wasn't thinking of this as very useful for day driving... But if someone can prove me wrong... From speedy67 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 17:48:00 2003 From: speedy67 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (speedy67@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:06:45 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Hijack v338 Message-ID: I have never had a car-tuner where this option was really working. We have many radio-stations here around, the french over the boarder are boosting their programms with some extra-power. The LOCAL setting should prefer stations in the direct area, so they won't get disturbed by the stronger, but more far away ones. But not my Kenwood, nor my two Sonys did make a hearable difference between LOCAL and DISTANCE, so i think let's forget this feature.... ;-) cheers, Thomas From speedy67 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 17:55:00 2003 From: speedy67 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (speedy67@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:06:50 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: latest tuner kit update Message-ID: Mark, you can make him to remember this forever while riding with him from Cambridge to Amersfoort.... :-) From rtundo at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 18:42:00 2003 From: rtundo at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (rtundo@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:06:57 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: External VFD PCB signup! Message-ID: Paul, I'd also be interested in one. From zaskar at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 18:57:00 2003 From: zaskar at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (zaskar@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:07:03 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Just a little while longer Message-ID: Do you have the directions for installing all the parts onto the board, the board on Brian's page is a little different then this one. I'm not sure what part goes where and how the Led's should face. From tarkie at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 19:03:00 2003 From: tarkie at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (tarkie@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:07:08 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: It's not an Empeg... Message-ID: Erm.... In reply to:> Do you have the directions for installing all the parts onto the board, the board on Brian's page is a little different then this one. It was designed differently intentionally, not to make things difficult for anyone, but to avoid any conflicts with the copyright holders (Brian?) of the original design. No instructions yet. Hopefully we will get them up relatively soon. Until then, try this: _> R1_- 10K Ohm resistor _> R2-R5_ - 100 Ohm resistor _> Q1_- MMBT3906 PNP transistor _> D1-D4_- SMD White LEDs, notched half of the LED towards the pad with the "bar" in the silkscreen _> PWR_- +5 volts on Empeg _> GND_- Ground _> SGL_- Control signal for board. Brian gets it from the left lead of the top button LED of the illumination set up. Hope this helps, Stu From elvis at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 20:11:00 2003 From: elvis at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (elvis@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:07:18 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: It's not an Empeg... Message-ID: Not all DSM's are AWSUM. From mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 20:24:00 2003 From: mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mlord@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:07:24 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Hijack v338 Message-ID: In this case, the "local" setting attenuates the signal by 10dB. Any stations strong enough to make it past that are tuned in. Cheers From V99 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 20:38:00 2003 From: V99 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (V99@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:07:31 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: External VFD PCB signup! Message-ID: If any VFD is going to work for a HUD in the day it's going to be the tiny one (K610a).. it's several times brighter than all their other displays because each pixel is directly driven. It is really, really tiny though.. before ordering one I would strongly suggest you print out a screengrab of the Empeg display at 39.3 x 9.7mm and put it where you want in your car and see if you can read the display without squinting and staring at it (always a good idea when driving). > Ooh, no, you're right. I just posted where I didn't think it had a command like this, and you bring that up. Thanks.  It's still not AS highly optimized as sending jule 4096 woth of info (still goitta send headers) but it's somewhat better than 4 frames. The headers are only 6 bytes, 0.15% overhead, vs drawing pixels, 300% overhead.. The K610a being only 19,200bps ( = 4.6fps unoptimized ) is far more significant. From rob at empeg.com Fri Jun 6 21:34:00 2003 From: rob at empeg.com (Rob Voisey) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:07:35 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Beating a dead horse Message-ID: Rob has got through hundreds of support emails and dozens of repairs in the last couple of months - but of course the problem cases get yelled about on the BBS. We certainly haven't been paying him enough for the massive hassle he has undertaken, including having to make large COD payments because people can't fill in shipping documents properly, fighting with couriers to provide service and send bills to the right place, driving to and fro the UK to pick up parts and get training, having his employer go bankrupt and having to trust that he'll actually get paid, and so on and so on. He is now running his own support operation and no doubt will post something about this soon. The "official" email addresses will continue to forward to him for a few days, and after that will bounce back an autoresponse with his direct address. I know Rob has a substantial investment in car player spare parts (and we have more shelf space for Red Bull as a result) so I doubt there will be any jobs he can't handle. Rob From FireFox31 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 23:54:00 2003 From: FireFox31 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (FireFox31@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:07:40 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: It's not an Empeg... Message-ID: I'd really like to know who all has the "EMPEG" plates in the world. robric has New York state. I'm considering getting NJ, but I'm worried it'll spoil my stealth "family station wagon" install. When I get my nice new 8 speakers + sub + maybe another amp, I'll be even MORE worried..... From robricc at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 6 23:56:00 2003 From: robricc at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (robricc@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:07:47 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: It's not an Empeg... Message-ID: I'm considering getting NJ...I live close enough to NJ that I may buy a house there some day. I would appreciate it if you would not get them so if I leave NY, I can still have empeg plates. :-) From FireFox31 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 7 00:29:00 2003 From: FireFox31 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (FireFox31@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:07:51 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: 80GB drives - BULK revisited Message-ID: Has anyone had luck installing these 80's as secondary drives in a MkIIa? Has Paul or anyone else tried filling the 80 to capacity to see how the fid count holds up and how the caching is stressed? I'm interested in tossing an 80 in with my 30gig player (though I currently only need a few more gigs, why not go for broke right?). I just don't want to break the good ol' warranty seal, thus deflowering my perfect "new in box" player. Decisions decisions: erase some tracks off CD's that I don't really like, or get an 80? From thrasher at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 7 01:43:00 2003 From: thrasher at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (thrasher@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:07:58 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: fan install Message-ID: yes for some reason my empeg runs exstremely hot.in less than 2 hours in my truck it will get over 130 degrees.maybe if i get that fan kit I can get a cumputer place to install it.Thanks for all your input. From msaeger at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 7 01:53:00 2003 From: msaeger at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (msaeger@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 6 22:08:02 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: fan install Message-ID: I have been looking for one for my shuttle psu. Here is the quietest one I can find. I got two of the NMB 80mm fans from this person last week and they are very quiet. I didn't see the 40mm ones until after I already got my 80's DOH! . They only charged a few dollars for shipping and I got my order in a few days. My empeg gets really hot if I go on a long drive because it is mounted above another head unit with a built in amp. I need to swap them I think. From zaskar at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 7 04:10:00 2003 From: zaskar at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (zaskar@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sat Jun 7 22:00:14 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Just a little while longer Message-ID: For the LED do you mean the notch of the LED goes toward the arrow pointing on each pad. From maurij at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 7 06:53:00 2003 From: maurij at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (maurij@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sat Jun 7 22:00:21 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Beating a dead horse Message-ID: Don't get me wrong. i'm not complaining. just wondering what the right course of action is. thanks for the clarity From mtempsch at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 7 09:21:00 2003 From: mtempsch at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mtempsch@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sat Jun 7 22:00:28 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Just a little while longer Message-ID: The notched end goes to the pad with the bar (or where the arrow points to) The symbol looks somewhat like this <| and the notched end should be to the right in this pic Looking at the image on his web page (hope you dont object to me borrowing it here) the 2 lower LEDs should have the notches oriented "up", and the top 2 LEDs the notch oriented "down". /Michael From tim123 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 7 10:03:00 2003 From: tim123 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (tim123@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sat Jun 7 22:00:35 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] RIOcar MK2 Player FOR SALE !!!! Message-ID: I want to sale my RIOcar Player. 950 $. Please mail to okks@gmx.de From snoopstah at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 7 10:15:00 2003 From: snoopstah at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (snoopstah@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sat Jun 7 22:00:41 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: External VFD PCB signup! Message-ID: We need someone to buy one of these (scroll down) for experimental purposes! :-) From Archeon at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 7 10:15:00 2003 From: Archeon at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Archeon@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sat Jun 7 22:00:48 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: RIOcar MK2 Player FOR SALE !!!! Message-ID: There is a "for sale" forum specifically for this stuff. What kind of player is it ? (storage capacity?) Tuner included? Any other extras ? (lenses, bag?) From tim123 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 7 10:58:00 2003 From: tim123 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (tim123@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sat Jun 7 22:00:55 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: RIOcar MK2 Player FOR SALE !!!! Message-ID: It´s a 10GB Player. No Tuner. No Extras. From PhilipOHare at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 7 11:08:00 2003 From: PhilipOHare at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (PhilipOHare@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sat Jun 7 22:00:59 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: RIOcar MK2 Player FOR SALE !!!! Message-ID: $950 is slightly high for a 10gb with no extras. I'll be very surprised if you have any takers at that price. But who knows :-) From Archeon at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 7 11:44:00 2003 From: Archeon at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Archeon@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sat Jun 7 22:01:04 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: RIOcar MK2 Player FOR SALE !!!! Message-ID: It gets better : after my remark he made a new post in the for sale forum where he sells the same unit for 900... EURO. According to the exchange rate on xe.com, €900 = $1063. So the price already went up $113 in less than an hour! :-) From maczrool at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 7 11:48:00 2003 From: maczrool at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (maczrool@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sat Jun 7 22:01:09 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Just a little while longer Message-ID: In reply to:> For the LED do you mean the notch of the LED goes toward the arrow pointing on each pad. Yes, exactly. Here is a slightly clearer image than available on the website. The notched side of each LED should be situated over the pads marked blue in the image. Stu From jarob10 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 7 12:50:00 2003 From: jarob10 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (jarob10@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sat Jun 7 22:01:15 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: External VFD PCB signup! Message-ID: In reply to: We need someone to buy one of these (scroll down) for experimental purposes! OMG that would be too cool for words. This whole project has got me pretty excited. I'm suprised this thread length isnt up to the hundreds by now. From loren at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 7 13:14:00 2003 From: loren at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (loren@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sat Jun 7 22:01:20 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Beating a dead horse Message-ID: Thanks Rob... that is the best update we've recieved on the situation. Thanks to BOTH Robs! From PhilipOHare at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 7 13:36:00 2003 From: PhilipOHare at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (PhilipOHare@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sat Jun 7 22:01:25 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: 80GB drives - BULK revisited Message-ID: Paul has 2 80s installed and must have at least 90% filled! He hasn't reported any issues... so far so good I think? From pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 7 13:48:00 2003 From: pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (pgrzelak@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sat Jun 7 22:01:30 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: 80GB drives - BULK revisited Message-ID: Greetings! No issues, but not quite that high a percentage filled. I am running about 76% capacity at the moment, but that will likely change on June 21 (and sometime again in September). My highest FID file number is 5120x, where x is zero or one, of course. That is just over 20,000 individual FIDs (playlists and tracks). No problems to report yet, except that you do not want to be in a hurry and get caught with a surprise fsck while syncing. I recommend you get the 80. If you only want to have one physical drive (upgradability, heat, power, CF-Laura's Mark 1 - the builder code does not use the swap space it created, so that the build of a new 80GB player fails for insufficient memory on a Mark 1. Michael West's Mark 2a - he had a hard drive sync where the fsck would not complete. It was because of duplicate blocks, and the fsck triggered from emplode could not create enough swap to handle the fsck clear of the duplicate block problems. This was the first time I had ever seen a duplicate block issue with fsck, and it looked like it was trying to copy the blocks into physical memory to rebuild. In this case, a manual fsck combined with adding an extra swap space from the root partition was enough to fix the problem. From cookie_ARM at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 7 14:15:00 2003 From: cookie_ARM at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (cookie_ARM@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sat Jun 7 22:01:36 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Voltage on the AMP line Message-ID: Hi. Can the voltage on the AMP line be adjusted or pulsed, turned off with control? In fact can this be done on any of the lines that go to the docking connector? As my install does not use the amp line , i thought this might be a good option for controlling a fan (Internal or external). C. From mtempsch at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 7 14:25:00 2003 From: mtempsch at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mtempsch@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sat Jun 7 22:01:41 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Voltage on the AMP line Message-ID: IIRC the amp remote wire is tied to the power for the display, so I don't think you could pulse it without also affecting the display. There's a ready project for a temperature controlled fan, described here. /Michael From SE7EN at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 7 15:52:00 2003 From: SE7EN at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (SE7EN@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sat Jun 7 22:01:46 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: New Audi A3 instrumentation color and empeg lenses Message-ID: From mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 7 16:43:00 2003 From: mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mlord@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sat Jun 7 22:01:51 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Another update Message-ID: And yet another shop photo today, this time including the lovely and talented.. SWMBO! Cheers From Redrum at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 7 16:53:00 2003 From: Redrum at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Redrum@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sat Jun 7 22:01:57 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Sorry wrong forum -Cell Phone/GPS that works in US Message-ID: Reposted in Off Topic - sorry http://empeg.comms.net/php/showflat.php?Cat= From foxtrot_xray at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 7 17:02:00 2003 From: foxtrot_xray at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (foxtrot_xray@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sat Jun 7 22:02:02 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: External VFD PCB signup! Message-ID: Hasn't had time. I JUST posted it friday! :< Me. From pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 7 17:18:00 2003 From: pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (pgrzelak@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sat Jun 7 22:02:08 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Another update Message-ID: SWMBO!!! Nice glove! It is a good thing that you both share the same hobbies - that is probably one of the reasons why you (plural - both yourself and SWMBO) have such a great workshop! So who took the photograph, then? From ineedcolor at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 7 18:30:00 2003 From: ineedcolor at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (ineedcolor@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sat Jun 7 22:02:13 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: It's not an Empeg... Message-ID: > Not all DSM's are AWSUM. True, however I think this one is pretty awesome.... :-) From customsex at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 7 18:42:00 2003 From: customsex at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (customsex@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sat Jun 7 22:02:18 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: 80GB drives - BULK revisited Message-ID: i took out my ten gig that went bad and installed an 80 gig with my 20gig that was still there. not a single problem with the install at all. From mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 7 23:26:00 2003 From: mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mlord@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sat Jun 7 22:02:23 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Another update Message-ID: Camera on tripod w/self-timer! Cheers From maczrool at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 7 23:35:00 2003 From: maczrool at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (maczrool@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sat Jun 7 22:02:29 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Another update Message-ID: Why does it take my ISP's DNS servers so long to find your site? Does anyone else experience this? Stu From dang at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 8 00:08:00 2003 From: dang at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (dang@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sat Jun 7 22:02:34 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: External VFD PCB signup! Message-ID: Just as a note for the 'HUD' angle: if you take a small piece of stick-on window film and place it where you'd like to see the image, you'll have greatly improved image quality and good daylight visibility. If you visit http://hud.cz28.com, you'll see the progress I made with a home-made HUD, and some of the bits I used. In any instance, it's possible and doable. Hope you folks get it working. I can recommend the products from www.controlanything.com - they're RS-232 connected VFDs (using a small daughterboard), and you can load your own graphics and fonts. I reversed my fonts and they reflected just fine off of the window/tint combination. Anyway, just my USD$0.02, adjusted for inflation. Dan (and since I haven't adjusted my profile in a long time, the correct e-mail address is dang@www.dangentry.com) From mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 8 00:33:00 2003 From: mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mlord@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sat Jun 7 22:02:40 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Another update Message-ID: Dunno. My site is self-hosting for DNS, with granitecanyon as the secondary. As long as the ADSL link is up, it ought to respond fairly rapidly. But the link has been up and down sporadically of late. Cheers From cushman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 8 02:18:00 2003 From: cushman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (cushman@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 8 22:00:17 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Another update Message-ID: Mark, you have a very nice shop. Mine is dual-purpose (garage/shop) but I would like to someday have a dedicated shop with dust collection, etc. Right now I have to sweep every week or so because the only tool I have dust collection on is my router table and that is only a shop-vac. I make sure and save all the dust hoods for my other tools, for the day I do get my own dedicated shop *dream*. From maurij at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 8 06:48:00 2003 From: maurij at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (maurij@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 8 22:00:29 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Casting of fascia < clear buttons Message-ID: Something worth thinking about. There may be a market for you just making handles, especially if the metallised ones can match 303s colors. One hesitation for me in buying a 303 fascia is the lack of a matching handle. Also, are metalised buttons a possiblity? From mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 8 11:38:00 2003 From: mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mlord@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 8 22:00:38 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Another update Message-ID: Nice router setup you have there! Wish I had space for a dedicated setup, in ADDITION to my saw-table mounted version! Lovely bench there as well.. S.Yellow Pine? Or Doug F. ? The dust collection I have is essential for an in-home shop -- I cannot just open the garage door (there is none) to air things out like you. Most of the tool "hoods" are shop-built improvements over the manufacturer's parts (if any). Cheers From taym at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 8 11:52:00 2003 From: taym at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (taym@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 8 22:00:46 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: New Audi A3 instrumentation color and empeg lenses Message-ID: SO beautiful, SE7EN! Thank for the pic! Now it's even harder to be here waiting from mine! :-D From SE7EN at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 8 13:02:00 2003 From: SE7EN at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (SE7EN@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 8 22:00:52 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: New Audi A3 instrumentation color and empeg lenses Message-ID: ?? So you can see a picture ? I can't see anything ! Well this is really MINE ! There are other pics of it here: http://www.audipassion.com/fr/forums/viewthread.php?tid=5756 About my radio, I think I'm going to replace it by Bose system, but I will remove the Concert and add my empeg. Because there is nothing better today in my opinion. From taym at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 8 13:06:00 2003 From: taym at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (taym@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 8 22:00:58 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: New Audi A3 instrumentation color and empeg lenses Message-ID: Click on the "attachment" link below your name, on the left of your post :-) I also saw the other pictures. Congratulations! :-) From SE7EN at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 8 13:07:00 2003 From: SE7EN at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (SE7EN@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 8 22:01:03 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: New Audi A3 instrumentation color and empeg lenses Message-ID: *^_^* Sorry... From chrassig at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 8 13:07:00 2003 From: chrassig at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (chrassig@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 8 22:01:07 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Hijack v337 and RDS/AF Issues Message-ID: I tried both v337 and v338, and in both of them enabling / disabling RDS AF does not have any effect for me at all. Sound is still interrupted very much as long as the right frequency is tuned, and the frequency is changed to one without much reception after less than a minute. Mark 2 empeg Consumer Image v2.00 final From tracerbullet at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 8 13:34:00 2003 From: tracerbullet at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (tracerbullet@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 8 22:01:13 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: New Audi A3 instrumentation color and empeg lenses Message-ID: A friend here in Minnesota had a TT for a while (sold it to another friend in favor of something with lower payments), and we got to experiment with a few things. The red lense from empeg looked almost orange in comparison to the TT's blood red instrumentation. Looks red elsewhere, but when installed it just seemed orange. I guess it's the VFD underneath adding it's own color to it. The Darkstorm "deep red" lens was much better though. Not perfect, but a lot better for color matching. Unfortuantely being a darker red made it harder to read, though the flip-up "thing" over the radio did help to shade it. Never did try a neon red. Ultimately he went with the standard blue lense, since we couldn't find anything that matched just right, may as well not worry about it at all. This is how I remember it going anyway! I have a 2001 Mitsubishi Eclipse where I went through something similar. The dash instruments are orange from the factory. I installed red bulbs behind everything though, and when combined with the orange filters (the stock bulbs were just white and shined through these filters) give a nice dark red color very similar to the Audi. I have ended up with the Darkstorm "smoke" lens. For me, his deep red lens was a great match, but also just hard to see during the day (nothing to shade the display like the TT had, and I've got a sunroof that lets a lot of light through). The smoke lens can be read in full daylight, and the green tint it has at night is just not a problem for me. Doesn't match everything else, but the tradeoff of legibility during the day is worth it to me. From tim123 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 8 14:58:00 2003 From: tim123 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (tim123@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 8 22:01:18 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: RIOcar MK2 Player FOR SALE !!!! Message-ID: Look at... http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem From Yang at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 8 15:13:00 2003 From: Yang at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Yang@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 8 22:01:23 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: RIOcar MK2 Player FOR SALE !!!! Message-ID: That item went for 750 EUR, which is rougly $875 US.. Edit: oh yea, that's the buy it now price.. From PhilipOHare at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 8 15:14:00 2003 From: PhilipOHare at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (PhilipOHare@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 8 22:01:30 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: RIOcar MK2 Player FOR SALE !!!! Message-ID: It hasn't sold! Thats the "Buy-it-now" price From SE_Sport_Driver at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 8 15:25:00 2003 From: SE_Sport_Driver at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (SE_Sport_Driver@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 8 22:01:34 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: 80GB drives - BULK revisited Message-ID: (Posting via my Samsung i330, so excuse my budgeting of type. :-) ) Paul, until you get those tracks you are referring to, I might have bragging rights for the most 'fids' on a player. (See my screen capture in the Palm Ap thread in Programming - I've added about 500 tracks since.) But, I think you'll have me beat as far as number of bytes is concerned. I only have one 80 and one 60 too. To anyone concerned, the 80 is the coolest (heatwise) and one of the quietest drives I've had in an empeg. I've had a 10, 12, 20, 30, 48 and a 60gb in this player, so that's saying something. <- All thanks to the FAQ. From mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 8 16:18:00 2003 From: mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mlord@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 8 22:01:39 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Another update Message-ID: Another day, another photo. And a status update as well. http://rtr.ca/docks/ Cheers From SE_Sport_Driver at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 8 16:27:00 2003 From: SE_Sport_Driver at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (SE_Sport_Driver@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 8 22:01:46 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Another update Message-ID: I don't know why, but I checked earlier today and just now but I don't see any change in the photos that I saw last week.. I did a refresh too. [shrugs] From pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 8 16:58:00 2003 From: pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (pgrzelak@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 8 22:01:51 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: 80GB drives - BULK revisited Message-ID: Greetings! Very cool! Certainly higher on the number of FIDs, probably even with the new additions. From canuckInLA at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 8 17:10:00 2003 From: canuckInLA at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (canuckInLA@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 8 22:01:55 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Casting of fascia < clear buttons Message-ID: Yeah, several studios have been asked to do animation tests before the project awards, and I've been assigned to be part of the team working on the test at our studio. I'm hoping that we get the job -- I think it would be a really cool project to work on. Sure beats working on Scooby Doo, IMHO. From mwest at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 8 17:17:00 2003 From: mwest at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mwest@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 8 22:02:01 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: It's not an Empeg... Message-ID: I'll have Oklahoma as soon as the paperwork goes through. From mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 8 17:58:00 2003 From: mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mlord@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 8 22:02:06 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Another update Message-ID: Try flushing your browser's cache. If using Mozilla, "shift-reload" generally overrides most upstream caching as well. Cheers From wfaulk at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 8 18:11:00 2003 From: wfaulk at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (wfaulk@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 8 22:02:11 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Casting of fascia < clear buttons Message-ID: You worked on Scooby Doo? Neat! Sure was a bad movie, though. From hybrid8 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 8 18:23:00 2003 From: hybrid8 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (hybrid8@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 8 22:02:17 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Casting of fascia < clear buttons Message-ID: The character modeling and animation was somewhat sub-par, IMO. But it was low budget to begin with. Bruno From belezeebub at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 8 21:12:00 2003 From: belezeebub at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (belezeebub@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 8 22:02:22 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Its me again.. and I have a Question Message-ID: Some of you might remember the long thread I created when I was trying to find a GPS/ Nav system work around so I could Keep my Empeg.. Well bad news the New Head Unit I purchased does not have a LIVE VIDEO feed when the truck is in motion }:-( So it is with a heavy heart that I must ask "How much is my Old Fathfull Empeg Mk2 60G unit worth ?? I have the Remote, bag and maybe even the sticker) Plus I have an Extra Rio Branded Remote.?? I am now running a Alpine IVA-D900 Head Unit Alpine NVE-N852A nav System Alpine DHA-S680 DVD Changer Alpine CHA-S634 MP3 Changer and I have pre Ordered a HDA-5460 In-Dash Add-On/Stand Alone HDD (Hard Disc Drive) Player To take the place of my Beloved Empeg. 16GB Removable HDD • Stores approximately 3,000 songs • MP3/WMA/WAV Playback Capability • BioLite Display • Quick Search Function • DJ Music Mix (Music Genre DJ Interface) • Music Visualizer • Mobile Multimedia Driver Software (Damm Laws in 48 states say no live Video in the drivers field of View.) From laura927 at one.net Sun Jun 8 21:16:00 2003 From: laura927 at one.net (Laura White) Date: Sun Jun 8 22:02:26 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Its me again.. and I have a Question Message-ID: (Damm Laws in 48 states say no live Video in the drivers field of View.) I'm glad to hear that since the general public is too stupid to pay attention and drive their vehicles well anyway, I feel a little safer now :-) From pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 8 21:19:00 2003 From: pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (pgrzelak@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 8 22:02:32 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Its me again.. and I have a Question Message-ID: Greetings! Typical ebay pricing for a 60GB unit these days is around $700-800, best guess. There have been a lot of players around for sale, on both ebay and the board, but they have been a bit expensive for much activity. The remote will probably get you around $50, as will the bag. My deepest condolences, though, at the thought of selling the empeg. From marria01 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 8 21:33:00 2003 From: marria01 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (marria01@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 8 22:02:38 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Owner's meet 2003, Amersfoort Message-ID: Okay guys, a friend of mine has decided that he'd like to come to the owners meet so I'm looking at the cheapest way to get there. I looked up easyjet and it looks like it'll be about £90 per person, that's flying from Liverpool to Amsterdam. I've also looked at taking a car on the ferry from Hull to Rotterdam but that looks like it'll be about £300. Any better deals out there to be had? From belezeebub at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 8 21:42:00 2003 From: belezeebub at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (belezeebub@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 8 22:02:43 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Its me again.. and I have a Question Message-ID: Too bad laws do not prohibit 3 Screaming Kids in the back Seat or the Moron in the next lane doing the NYT Crossword Puzzle and the lady behind you putting on her eye liner at 70MPH on I-5 From yn0t_ at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 8 21:49:00 2003 From: yn0t_ at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (yn0t_@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 8 22:02:48 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: External VFD PCB signup! Message-ID: Wow, looks promising... I knew *someone* had to have tried it at some point. Great stuff! So am I right in surmising that it's pretty worthless during the daytime in any kind of sunlight? From robricc at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 8 22:18:00 2003 From: robricc at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (robricc@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 8 22:02:55 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: It's not an Empeg... Message-ID: Welcome to the club! From matthew_k at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 8 23:12:00 2003 From: matthew_k at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (matthew_k@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 8 22:03:00 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Its me again.. and I have a Question Message-ID: Have you checked to see how this is enforced? Usualy, they use a sensor on the parking break to determine if you car is in motion. You can usualy disable this yourself, or slip your installer $20. If they're being tricky, they could be using the GPS to decide if you're in motion which would be harder to defeat. Matthew From belezeebub at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 8 23:29:00 2003 From: belezeebub at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (belezeebub@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 8 22:03:04 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Its me again.. and I have a Question Message-ID: I know it can be disablied Alpine requires a few steps to turn on the screen place car in park hold break Ect.. The Issue is I don't need the ticket I don't understand why but the law is the law.. you can have a Full motion GPS screen going but not live video. You can also purchased from Ebay a "black Box" to disable the lock out From canuckInLA at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 8 23:54:00 2003 From: canuckInLA at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (canuckInLA@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 8 22:03:11 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Casting of fascia < clear buttons Message-ID: I got in at the tail end of Scooby Doo, and only worked on it for all of about 5 days. I just hate the character. Couldn't stand the cartoon, either. When we got the nod for Scooby Doo 2, I discarded all dignity, and pleaded with my boss not to put me on it. I spent some time on Stuart Little 2, and MIB2, before getting stuck on Daredevil (which was a nightmare, but it's far more tolerable working on something I'm ambivalent about than working on something I hate). From loren at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 9 00:28:00 2003 From: loren at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (loren@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 8 22:03:16 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Casting of fascia < clear buttons Message-ID: Fellow animator? What exactly do you do? From dang at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 9 00:33:00 2003 From: dang at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (dang@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 8 22:03:21 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: External VFD PCB signup! Message-ID: Well, here in Western Washington, strong direct sunlight usually isn't an issue. :-) I actually did make a trip or three in the day and it worked just fine, provided the tint patch on the windshield provided some shade for the VFD. I was actually thinking of playing with some polarizing materials to filter out some light, but never got that far. I would theorize that in an area of strong sunlight - say Tucson, Arizona in August - the image would get washed out. I did also get a smaller, pre-built HUD from a company called 'Defi' (http://www.defi-shop.com), which came with a similar but much lighter tint-strip for the windshield. I had it in my Talon for a long time, and it had absolutely no issues in direct sunlight. Dan (and I really will go change my sig *right now*) From cushman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 9 00:45:00 2003 From: cushman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (cushman@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 8 22:03:26 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Another update Message-ID: My bench is yellow pine, I just picked up some 2x4's at the lumber yard and put it together from those. Took me a while to find nice wood, but I just ran them through the jointer and I was good to go. It was the first thing I built when I moved here, because a workbench is so useful. Someday I'll build one out hardwood, but my budget was small for this bench. I know what you mean with the dust hoods. A few of mine I can see would suck pretty hard (pun intended) when attached to a dust collection system. Machinery aside, I find some of the best tools you use you can make yourself (like your dust hoods). From laura927 at one.net Mon Jun 9 19:40:00 2003 From: laura927 at one.net (Laura White) Date: Mon Jun 9 22:00:30 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Cincinnati Meet - Vote for the date Message-ID: For some reason I have just been putting this off not sure about having it this year or not, sorry guys. I'm still on the fence but I'll go ahead with it anyway. I better call the park tomorrow and see if any cabins are left for any weekends in September. This year I'll need payment in advance since last year cost quite a bit even after everyone chipped in more than their share. From Russmeister at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 9 20:01:00 2003 From: Russmeister at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Russmeister@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 9 22:00:38 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Cincinnati Meet - Vote for the date Message-ID: I'll be more than happy to pay well in advance, Laura. I know how much time, money, and effort you put into this meet last year and I was really disappointed I wasn't able to go. You can count me in as paid in advance. From loren at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 9 20:02:00 2003 From: loren at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (loren@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 9 22:00:46 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: This year's Northern California Meet thread Message-ID: I'm open for whenever. Maybe we could do Santa Cruz this year? From laura927 at one.net Mon Jun 9 20:03:00 2003 From: laura927 at one.net (Laura White) Date: Mon Jun 9 22:00:56 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Cincinnati Meet - Vote for the date Message-ID: I'm on the phone now and things aren't looking good for any weekend in September or October for the cabins. I'll let you know. From laura927 at one.net Mon Jun 9 20:18:00 2003 From: laura927 at one.net (Laura White) Date: Mon Jun 9 22:01:05 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Cincinnati Meet - Vote for the date Message-ID: How would people feel about a different park with not quite as nice cabins (meaning no TV and I'm not sure about phones) but it would be cheaper and they have 5 of them. It would be Whitewater Memorial Park next to Brookville Lake. I haven't been there to check them out yet. From robricc at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 9 20:35:00 2003 From: robricc at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (robricc@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 9 22:01:13 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Cincinnati Meet - Vote for the date Message-ID: ...and I'm not sure about phones...Having wireless internet access in the woods last year was cool. Not necessary though. From ricin at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 9 20:36:00 2003 From: ricin at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (ricin@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 9 22:01:22 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: This year's Northern California Meet thread Message-ID: That sounds good. There are TONS of places around here to consider. Maybe a multi-day meet where we could hit one (or a couple) of the amusement parks around here (Marine World, and/or Great America). Maybe go to a comedy club. I don't know. Seems like the multi-day meets only happen back East. I think we're missing out. :-p) Sure the main reason we're getting together is because of the Empeg, but it doesn't have to be the focus of the activities. :-) From laura927 at one.net Mon Jun 9 20:40:00 2003 From: laura927 at one.net (Laura White) Date: Mon Jun 9 22:01:31 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Cincinnati Meet - Vote for the date Message-ID: I've been on hold for 45 minutes now trying for Hueston Woods but the website says nothing available. I may have screwed up by waiting so long. From pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 9 20:41:00 2003 From: pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (pgrzelak@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 9 22:01:40 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Cincinnati Meet - Vote for the date Message-ID: For some reason, I cannot get the concept of the "Geek Camping Trip" from User Friendly out of my mind. From cushman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 9 20:45:00 2003 From: cushman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (cushman@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 9 22:01:49 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Cincinnati Meet - Vote for the date Message-ID: if there is nothing available near Cinci, there are TONS of cabins in the Hocking Hills region of Ohio. A lot of them are privately owned, but are very nice, and there is a lot of stuff to do in that area. It's kind of rural, though. http://www.hockinghills.com/ is one of the portals for the area. From laura927 at one.net Mon Jun 9 21:00:00 2003 From: laura927 at one.net (Laura White) Date: Mon Jun 9 22:01:58 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Cincinnati Meet - Vote for the date Message-ID: My stepbrother was a ranger there many years ago when he was alive. I've never been there but I like the title "Hot Tub capital of the mid-west". I give up holding, I'll call the lady that helped me last year tomorrow but I don't have much hope. From mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 9 21:02:00 2003 From: mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mlord@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 9 22:02:07 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Cincinnati Meet - Vote for the date Message-ID: Hot tubs are good, with a liberal enough mixed crowd that is. :-) Cheers From laura927 at one.net Mon Jun 9 21:19:00 2003 From: laura927 at one.net (Laura White) Date: Mon Jun 9 22:02:17 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Cincinnati Meet - Vote for the date Message-ID: I have a small one on my patio now (part of the remodeling that went on here last month). I haven't been able to coax any of my cats in there with me yet :-) From matthew_k at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 9 21:30:00 2003 From: matthew_k at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (matthew_k@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 9 22:02:26 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: This year's Northern California Meet thread Message-ID: I've mentioned it a few times, but I still think "car weekend" in Monterey in August would be a great time/place to have it. The eye candy is endless as you drive around town. For those interested in actual events, there are historic car races at Laguna Seca, The Concourso Italiano with endless italian cars, and multiple car autions at night. This year it's the weekend of August 15-17. For those not interested in cars, there's the Monterey Aquarium and many beaches and other forms of entertainment. If people are interested, I'd be happy to organize. I'm not sure how big/long of a meet we'd be interested in, I've only been to lunch/dinner meets, but ithe trend seems to be towards multi-day empeg-fests. Matthew From newguy1 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 9 23:47:00 2003 From: newguy1 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (newguy1@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 9 22:02:35 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Low left channel volume Message-ID: Well shortly after reporting this problem and asking for suggestions, the problem has disappeared.I hadn't yet tried any of the tips so I can't explain what happened.I break one of the first Empeg rules and leave the unit in my car for long periods(weeks) without removing it.Maybe the contacts were dirty and when I recently pulled it out an put it back in that cleaned them up.In any event it's workimg now.Thanks for your input. From mcomb at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 10 00:40:00 2003 From: mcomb at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Mike Comb) Date: Mon Jun 9 22:02:44 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: This year's Northern California Meet thread Message-ID: I've mentioned it a few times, but I still think "car weekend" in Monterey in August would be a great time/place to have it. I agree that sounds like a great idea that I would certainly try to make. Not sure if I would be up for a multi-day event though. -Mike From canuckInLA at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 10 00:46:00 2003 From: canuckInLA at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (canuckInLA@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 9 22:02:52 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Casting of fascia < clear buttons Message-ID: If they need a good one, then it's not me. I've never done character stuff. LucasArts isn't the only one looking... the whole vfx industry is looking for good people. From loren at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 10 01:29:00 2003 From: loren at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (loren@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 9 22:03:01 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: This year's Northern California Meet thread Message-ID: Monterey sounds like a good idea to me. Though i too wouldn't be down for a multi day event... i'll be lucky to have one free day. From Cypher at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 10 07:23:00 2003 From: Cypher at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Cypher@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 10 22:00:16 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Correction : Font Editor Message-ID: Thank you Tony, I hadn't noticed that the first one was linking to the new version. I thought that it was a link towards the first version of the application, which didn't support editing of the infoscroller font (fontfile.raw), and that the new version (with the additional information in the description) would be in the second page. Anyway, it's enough this way. From sirmanson at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 10 13:06:00 2003 From: sirmanson at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (sirmanson@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 10 22:00:29 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Flakey volume control Message-ID: I definately need at least one. I'm sick of trying to turn something down and getting blasted out of the seat. From MHC at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 10 14:10:00 2003 From: MHC at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (MHC@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 10 22:00:39 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: This year's Northern California Meet thread Message-ID: Well I certainly like the idea of heading south. I actually haven't ever made it down to Monterey since I've lived out here, so that would be great for me. How does the car weekend work? Do we need to register to show our cars, or is it more along the lines of a gut, or a cruise, where cars just show up? From Guschti at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 10 15:19:00 2003 From: Guschti at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Guschti@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 10 22:00:48 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of Message-ID: Greetings to all who wait for pca's tuner kit! I think we all want some news about the shipping status - but there is no update here or on his site. If he will not ship any kits from now on I would understand... but _please_ tell us some news. For me it's also fine to just have the schematics and the PIC software - make it public, so I can build my own tuner. many thanks From sn00p at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 10 16:17:00 2003 From: sn00p at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (sn00p@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 10 22:00:59 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of Message-ID: you can't, you won't be able to purchase the actual tuner module itself - it's not possible to buy it in one offs (barring buying the evaluation kit and ripping the tuner off of the board) and I think the pic code is a closely guarded secret! Adrian From foxtrot_xray at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 10 16:35:00 2003 From: foxtrot_xray at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (foxtrot_xray@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 10 22:01:09 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Price/Parts Update! Message-ID: Hey guys! Just a price update, now that I got the PCB quote back. First, the parts list and prices from Digikey.. [IC1] MAX233 MAX233CPP-ND (50x4.32) [SW1 DPDT Switch CKN5003-ND (25x6.168) [DB1] DB-9 Header A2096-ND (25x2.4388) [J1] 10-pin Header A26267-ND $0.44 [J2] Power Jack CP-102A-ND (10x0.33) [VR1] +5V Reg. 296-13996-5-ND (25x0.39) [D1] 1N4001 Diode 1N4001GCT-ND (10x0.22) [C1] 1uf Cap. P993-ND (10x0.14) [C2] .1uf Cap. P984-ND (10x0.14) [C3] .33uf Cap. P988-ND (10x0.14) PCB price is, based on an order of 50, $12 per board. Prices for parts < PCB, above, again based on 50qty, is roughly $25.00. This does not include shipping, nor my timely fee for assembling it for you.. (No worry. I'm cheap.) :-) Right now I have 32 orders. I/m guessing I'll have 50 by the time I actually have to order parts, so I'm not worried. Plan on that being the final amount (again. + shipping). Thanks! Me. From maurij at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 10 17:31:00 2003 From: maurij at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (maurij@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 10 22:01:18 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Digital Output Board Message-ID: Sorry to dig up an old thread, but just a quick question for maczrool. would it be possible to create or even adapt a digital output board for a tivo. the answer may be as easy as no, but i had to ask From maczrool at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 10 17:58:00 2003 From: maczrool at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (maczrool@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 10 22:01:27 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Digital Output Board Message-ID: It may be possible, depending on how integrated the Tivo's DAC is to the rest of the circuitry. If it has a separate DAC chip from its decoding chips, etc., then it probably is possible. Depending on the format going to the DAC, it may even work with the stock boards. We did however try to use the boards with a Rio Receiver and never were able to get it to work right. We never were able to get to the bottom as to why they didn't work properly in that application. Stu From laura927 at one.net Tue Jun 10 18:41:00 2003 From: laura927 at one.net (Laura White) Date: Tue Jun 10 22:01:39 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Cincinnati Meet - Vote for the date Message-ID: Woohoo!! I was able to get us some cabins for the weekend of September 19-21. I'm sorry that some won't be able to attend that weekend but there wasn't any weekend that everyone could come and this date had the most cabins available. I got us the last 3 family cabins (159 a night) and also 3 couple cabins (135 a night) at Hueston Woods where we held it last year. We'll figure out who gets what when I get Tom to do us a sign up sheet and I'll need payment 2 weeks before the meet date. I'm thinking 3 to 4 people per cabin unless we need to cram more in. I'll also figure out activities and other things soon. . From rob at empeg.com Tue Jun 10 18:42:00 2003 From: rob at empeg.com (Rob Voisey) Date: Tue Jun 10 22:01:48 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of Message-ID: Actually there was an update a few days ago in another thread. I'd look for it but I already have a tuner ;-) Rob From robricc at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 10 18:53:00 2003 From: robricc at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (robricc@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 10 22:01:56 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Cincinnati Meet - Vote for the date Message-ID: Excellent! From Yang at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 10 18:54:00 2003 From: Yang at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Yang@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 10 22:02:06 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of Message-ID: That would be this thread posted by pca on 01/06/03 12:20 PM. From laura927 at one.net Tue Jun 10 21:41:00 2003 From: laura927 at one.net (Laura White) Date: Tue Jun 10 22:02:15 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Cincinnati Meet - Vote for the date Message-ID: I was going to say I really want to go rock climbing this year, that was before I saw the beginning of Vertical Limit tonight at the gym. After seeing the dad hit the ground, along with 2 other guys, I'm not so sure now :-) From kswish0 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 10 21:48:00 2003 From: kswish0 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (kswish0@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 10 22:02:25 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] yet another car mp3 player Message-ID: Just saw this thing for the first time today and thought some of you might be interested. I'll keep my empeg but this actually doesn't look too bad for the price. removable expandable memory up to 80GB search capablilty direct encoding to mp3 from radio, line in, etc. voice memo recording From cushman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 10 22:02:00 2003 From: cushman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (cushman@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 10 22:02:37 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Cincinnati Meet - Vote for the date Message-ID: Yeah, it's always like that when we go climbing, too. Every moment is a thrill ride on the knife's edge of death. One thing to bring if you do decide to come is extra pants, because you'll probably need them after all the near-death experiences ;-) In fact, My friend and I made a t-shirt about the required equipment needed for climbing. From laura927 at one.net Tue Jun 10 22:07:00 2003 From: laura927 at one.net (Laura White) Date: Tue Jun 10 22:02:47 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Cincinnati Meet - Vote for the date Message-ID: Is there going to be a rock climbing trip planned for Monday after the meet? From cushman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 10 22:13:00 2003 From: cushman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (cushman@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 10 22:02:57 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Cincinnati Meet - Vote for the date Message-ID: Sure, what time is the meet over on Sunday? It takes about 2 hours to drive to the Red, so if a group of us leave Sunday night, we could camp at Miguel's Sunday night, climb Monday and probably Tuesday, and be on the road Tuesday night or possibly even Wed. There is a lot of other things to do at the Red other than climbing, too (hiking, sightseeing, horseback riding) so if people did not want to climb for multiple days, they could do other things. The Red has several natural rock arches, and quite a few cool hiking trails. From mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 10 22:13:00 2003 From: mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mlord@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 10 22:03:06 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Cincinnati Meet - Vote for the date Message-ID: Yup, that's climbing all right. Continuous intense activity from sunrise to sunset, with barely a pause to pi.. err.. enjoy the scenery ;-). Actually, it's really much more like the "long hours of intense boredom (belaying), punctuated by brief moments of intense excitement". Cheers From cushman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 10 22:18:00 2003 From: cushman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (cushman@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 10 22:03:16 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Cincinnati Meet - Vote for the date Message-ID: Right on. And you don't even know how boring it can be until you sit at an uncomfortable belay for 3 or more hours waiting for the other two people in your party to finish the next two pitches above you because there isn't any room for you at the next belay. At the Red, there is a lot of hiking before you can even start climbing, too. Pictures of the Red here, here, and here. From laura927 at one.net Tue Jun 10 22:40:00 2003 From: laura927 at one.net (Laura White) Date: Tue Jun 10 22:03:25 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Cincinnati Meet - Vote for the date Message-ID: Mark and Mark, are you both coming this year? From mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 10 22:42:00 2003 From: mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mlord@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 10 22:03:32 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Cincinnati Meet - Vote for the date Message-ID: I want to, but time/finances.. I dunno. I think it's going to be a last minute deal with me again. Cheers! From laura927 at one.net Tue Jun 10 22:48:00 2003 From: laura927 at one.net (Laura White) Date: Tue Jun 10 22:03:37 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Cincinnati Meet - Vote for the date Message-ID: Well, I'll keep a bedroom available for you :-) How many would be interested in staying an extra day and going climbing or hiking or biking? From oliver at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 10 22:55:00 2003 From: oliver at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (oliver@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 10 22:03:42 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: It's not an Empeg... Message-ID: LMAO.... while reading your post, my ups beeped at me. You just plug your car in? From cushman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 10 22:59:00 2003 From: cushman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (cushman@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 10 22:03:47 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Cincinnati Meet - Vote for the date Message-ID: I'll be coming with my wife and new son. We'll all be going to the Red on Monday - Tuesday/Wednesday too. From wfaulk at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 10 23:09:00 2003 From: wfaulk at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (wfaulk@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 10 22:03:52 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: yet another car mp3 player Message-ID: Nothing quite as classy as a wired remote display. From laura927 at one.net Tue Jun 10 23:38:00 2003 From: laura927 at one.net (Laura White) Date: Tue Jun 10 22:03:57 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Cincinnati Meet - Vote for the date Message-ID: You can have 1 of the couple's cabins. From cushman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 11 00:07:00 2003 From: cushman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (cushman@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 10 22:04:03 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Cincinnati Meet - Vote for the date Message-ID: That would be great. Thanks! From Phireman19 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 11 01:24:00 2003 From: Phireman19 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Phireman19@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 10 22:04:08 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of Message-ID: Does anyone have ANY idea of what number he is at on shipping? I am #123. From mtempsch at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 11 01:28:00 2003 From: mtempsch at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mtempsch@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 10 22:04:12 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of Message-ID: I think he's currently processing 50-100 (or 50-75). I know he's done 1-25 and 26-50 (I had queue number 28) /Michael From Phireman19 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 11 01:31:00 2003 From: Phireman19 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Phireman19@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 10 22:04:17 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of Message-ID: ok. The last email I got from him was a month ago, saying my order would be processed in a few weeks. Oh well, I'll keep waiting :-) From rowitech at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 11 04:28:00 2003 From: rowitech at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (rowitech@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 11 22:00:36 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Tuners, for the purchasing of Message-ID: I am in the range of #80 and am waiting, too. So stay tuned (or not, without tuner ;-)). Rolf From hussein at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 11 04:52:00 2003 From: hussein at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (hussein@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 11 22:00:48 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Darn tuner doesn't work Message-ID: I bought a Rio Car and Tuner back when Sonicblue was shutting down its Rio Car division back last February. It took my about a year to then save up the money for a new Audi TT in which to install the unit. I just installed the Rio Car in a Audi TT coupe and the tuner. Cartoys in Bellevue did the installation. One of the things they found is that the tuner (which hadn't been opened to this point) didn't work. When it's plugged into the player, the light doesn't even turn on. Is there any way to return or get a functional tuner, given that Sonicblue's assets have been scattered across the oceans? I'd rather not shell out another $150 for a new tuner. BTW, does anyone else have an Audi TT coupe installation? The gain is a bit off in the car - I don't think there's a way to fix it. The nice thing is I didn't need a harness for the car. I also wanted to see if I could wire the factory CD player into the Rio Car? From boxer at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 11 08:36:00 2003 From: boxer at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (boxer@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 11 22:01:00 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Darn tuner doesn't work Message-ID: I had this problem (With an Audi TT, but that's not relevant). You may well find this helpful. I thought I saw a complete wiring diagram in the FAQ, but I can't find it now. I simply corrected it by swapping the wires over half way+dab of solder+insulating tape. I can't understand how you did the installation without a harness, your CD changer question is answered here In before Fabris can get out of bed! I'm off to the pub for a celebratory pint! From siberia37 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 11 15:05:00 2003 From: siberia37 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (siberia37@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 11 22:01:11 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: yet another car mp3 player Message-ID: Doesn't look too terrible nice to know there's something out there in case someone wants to trade their Canon 10D for my empeg...(hey be honest everything has a price.. even the empeg) From robricc at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 11 15:07:00 2003 From: robricc at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (robricc@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 11 22:01:22 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: yet another car mp3 player Message-ID: Here's the real website for this thing: http://www.perceptiondigital.com/products/audio/car_jukebox/ I think I'll pass. :-) From az_max2 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 11 16:21:00 2003 From: az_max2 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (az_max2@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 11 22:01:33 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: tuner problem Message-ID: EtN: I ended up with a second head unit in the glove compartment for now. It's pretty much fixed on one station because it's a hassle to open the glovebox door to change the station. I tried a portable radio (several actually), and the reception Just Sucked. I've looked for remote mounted tuners and only found one. SecretAudio make a tuner/cd controller that can mount anywhere. the control part is like 1.5x4.5 inches. You could mount this on a stalk, or replace your ashtray with it. But it's more expensive than PCA's tuner at $199usd. (cd changer extra). I already have a Sony cd changer I want to mount in the glove box, so I'm patiently waiting for PCA's tuner kit. From mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 11 16:25:00 2003 From: mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mlord@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 11 22:01:45 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] A Slight Glitch.. Message-ID: Hmm.. a slight glitch today. I had previously cut out around 135 rear panels for docks, and bored the cooling holes and audio jack holes into them. Then I goofed -- drilled the power jack holes, but with the panels flipped, so the holes ended up in the wrong locations. Aw fudge! So, I figure, I could just use the holes in their new spot, and not worry about it. WRONG. Everything is interelated. The holes are roughly where the serial ports belong, which means the serial ports would need to be moved. But we've already cut and crimped the wiring for the serial ports, and it won't reach if they are moved.. So.. scrap heap for those. On the plus side, this presents an opportunity to find better quality material for the rear panels. The first 20-30 docks constructed used my remaining stock of tempered hardboard. Once we ran out of that stuff, we purchased and used hardboard from the Borg. While adequate, it isn't nearly as stiff or even as good looking as the tempered stuff. The problem is, nobody stocks the tempered stuff around here, and heck.. most of the salesfolk have never heard of the stuff and assume I'm bonkers for asking about it. I have located the Good Stuff down around the Toronto area, but shipping from there would be rather expensive. One hope though -- a local wholesaler claims to have the stuff in Montreal, and is having a couple of sheets put on the next regular inter-office shipment for me. Hopefully it really IS tempered hardboard, but so few people know the difference that I'll only believe it when I see it. Meanwhile, I'm working on the inner panels, that hold the docking connectors. Cheers From wfaulk at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 11 16:29:00 2003 From: wfaulk at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (wfaulk@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 11 22:01:55 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: A Slight Glitch.. Message-ID: Maybe try calling it pressboard or masonite? You might also try an art supply store, as they might have it as a ``canvas'' or as a pallet, even though it's likely to be expensive there. From mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 11 16:44:00 2003 From: mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mlord@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 11 22:02:05 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: A Slight Glitch.. Message-ID: Tempered hardboard is very different from pressboard, though try convincing the salesfolk at the Borg of that. Masonite is the premier brand for hardboard. This Chicago based company makes the best stuff. Their "basic" hardboard is as good as most companies' "tempered" hardboard, and true tempered Masonite "Duron" is about twice as hard as that. Anyway, we'll see what comes in the truck on Friday. Cheers From CyberGlitch at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 11 16:52:00 2003 From: CyberGlitch at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (CyberGlitch@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 11 22:02:14 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: yet another car mp3 player Message-ID: Tough call. Which do I love more... my Canon 10D or EMPEG... Canon 10D or EMPEG.. Canon 10D or EMPEG. I think I like my EMPEG more, but will not part with my Camera either though. From wfaulk at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 11 16:59:00 2003 From: wfaulk at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (wfaulk@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 11 22:02:22 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: A Slight Glitch.. Message-ID: Well, my point is, as with all such supplies, each person has his own names for each thing, and those names often contradict each other. The only other way I can think of to ask for it is to ask for the stuff that's slick on both sides. From mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 11 17:13:00 2003 From: mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mlord@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 11 22:02:30 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: A Slight Glitch.. Message-ID: I've taken to visiting with a chunk of original (smooth on one side only) tempered Masonite Duron, from 8 years ago. One place had smooth two sides hardboard, but it was the same mushy material that the Borg sells. The yard workers recognized my sample, though, and said "Yeah, that's the stuff we had back maybe 5-6 years ago, before the change in ownership" (of the lumber yard). Cheers From matthew_k at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 11 17:14:00 2003 From: matthew_k at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (matthew_k@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 11 22:02:38 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: This year's Northern California Meet thread Message-ID: Do we need to register to show our cars, or is it more along the lines of a gut, or a cruise, where cars just show up? Not really. There are plenty of events going on, but it's usually enough to just wander around town and observe. Hanging out downtown in the evening is plenty. So, who all is interested in a Northern California meet? Matthew From wfaulk at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 11 17:17:00 2003 From: wfaulk at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (wfaulk@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 11 22:02:46 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: A Slight Glitch.. Message-ID: One place had smooth two sides hardboard, but it was the same mushy material that the Borg sells.I've never seen any such thing. Weird. Just to make sure that we're talking about the same thing, you're talking about that stuff that they used to make clipboards out of, right? (Except probably thicker stuff.) Like pegboard without holes. From mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 11 17:20:00 2003 From: mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mlord@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 11 22:02:54 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: A Slight Glitch.. Message-ID: This is 1/8" thick (the size I use), and very very dark in colour. I did find one place that still makes clipboards from it, but they're too far from here -- delivery would cost more than material. This stuff is normally smooth on one side, and can also be found smooth on both sides. It is made by adding oils to the mix and then heat treating the works as it is pressed into sheet material. Regular "hardboard" (aka mush-board) lacks the oils, and tends to approach a light blonde colour. Cheers From mcomb at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 11 17:43:00 2003 From: mcomb at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Mike Comb) Date: Wed Jun 11 22:03:02 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Another empeg control widget (for OS X) Message-ID: OK, version 0.4 is now available with a variety of shinny new changes...
    - Preferences dialog that allows you to disable commands you do not use. - Ability to scroll current temperature for a U.S. zipcode on the empeg's screen. - Ability to scroll stock quotes on the empeg's screen. - Ability to scroll RSS feed headlines (Slashdot stories, etc) on the empeg's screen. - Ability to control how often items are scrolled in the Preferences. - Ability to control how often new empegs are looked for on the network in the Preferences. - Generally rearranged the source to make it more sane to read/update. If anybody using this wants the ability to scroll something else on the screen speak up and I will see if I can add it. -Mike From maczrool at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 11 17:49:00 2003 From: maczrool at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (maczrool@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 11 22:03:10 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: A Slight Glitch.. Message-ID: I still say use black acrylic. It may be harder to work, but you can get bits and blades for plastic that surely work better in a production setting than general purpose or wood tools. Stu From tfabris at jps.net Wed Jun 11 18:26:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Wed Jun 11 22:03:18 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: This year's Northern California Meet thread Message-ID: So, who all is interested in a Northern California meet? I always am. As long as it doesn't conflict with the weeks surrounding the Amersfoort meet. From kswish0 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 11 18:34:00 2003 From: kswish0 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (kswish0@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 11 22:03:26 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: yet another car mp3 player Message-ID: After looking at their site, another nice feature it has that the empeg doesn't is the ability create and save playlists on the player itself. Also the ability to delete playlists or folders from the unit itself. But now that I think about it, that would require the drive to be mounted read/write. So lets do a little math here... read/write + 3.5 inch drive + pothole = buying a new drive From wfaulk at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 11 18:42:00 2003 From: wfaulk at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (wfaulk@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 11 22:03:35 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: yet another car mp3 player Message-ID: Well, you know, there's not much difference between read/write and read-only as long as the disk is spun up. The empeg could keep newly defined playlists in memory until it needed to access the disk for normal operations and do it during that time, mounting rw instead of ro just for that instance. It should also have an indication that it needs to flush until it does, but since the user requested that it store something, the user should know. It should also have a menu option to manually flush. It should also probably try to flush when the ignition is cut, as that probably means the car isn't moving. It ought to not turn off the display immediately in that case, but show something like ``Writing -- Please Wait'' until it's done, at which point it'd cut off. I don't think that would be too difficult. Then again, you can save bookmarks as is. It'd be nice if they were accessible via emplode for premanent storage, though. That'd be a nice feature. Probably more useful, too, as trying to enter a name for the playlist and organize it in the car would probably be more trouble (and danger) than its worth. From kswish0 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 11 18:54:00 2003 From: kswish0 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (kswish0@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 11 22:03:43 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: yet another car mp3 player Message-ID: The empeg could keep newly defined playlists in memory until it needed to access the disk for normal operations and do it during that time, mounting rw instead of ro just for that instance.Me thinks about taking a trip to the wish list. And also just because you are the "grammar police"...premanent storageanybody else see anything wrong here :-) From rob at empeg.com Wed Jun 11 18:59:00 2003 From: rob at empeg.com (Rob Voisey) Date: Wed Jun 11 22:03:51 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: yet another car mp3 player Message-ID: ..or we could just switch to a journalled file system. Oh, wait, we are going to! Rob From burnside at alaska.net Wed Jun 11 19:26:00 2003 From: burnside at alaska.net (Douglas Burnside) Date: Wed Jun 11 22:03:58 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: yet another car mp3 player Message-ID: > anybody else see anything wrong here Not really. The term "storage" does not have an implied duration. When you store a gallon of milk in your refrigerator, do you assume that it is going to be there forever? Sometimes (most times, actually) storage is temporary. tanstaafl. From Roger at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 11 19:48:00 2003 From: Roger at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Roger Lipscombe) Date: Wed Jun 11 22:04:05 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: yet another car mp3 player Message-ID: I think that he meant the typo, Doug. From eliceo at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 11 20:39:00 2003 From: eliceo at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (eliceo@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 11 22:04:13 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: This year's Northern California Meet thread Message-ID: This would be the first meet I could attend, any ideas on dates? From robricc at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 11 22:13:00 2003 From: robricc at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (robricc@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 11 22:04:20 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: This year's Northern California Meet thread Message-ID: So, who all is interested in a Northern California meet?I'm down From ricin at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 11 23:03:00 2003 From: ricin at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (ricin@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 11 22:04:28 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: yet another car mp3 player Message-ID: Uhmm.... He knew that, he was just trying to be funny... yeah, that's it. :-) From mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 12 00:18:00 2003 From: mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mlord@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 11 22:04:33 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: A Slight Glitch.. Message-ID: Well, a big day in the shop today. Completed the first six milling operations on all 270 side pieces -- only five more cuts (per piece) to go! That really adds up after a while -- happily all my fingers are still there and wiggling (for now). Meanwhile, got so carried away with making sawdust (and drill dust and router dust etc..) that I forgot to check the dust collector bins.. major overflow into the filter bags as a result. (the shop has a dust collection system, like a massive built-in vacuum, with a cyclone separator that normally dumps EVERYTHING into a waste bin, and then passes the 99.99% clean air through 100 square feet of filter bags just to make sure -- when the bin overflows, everything ends up in the filter bags instead, which are trickier to empty -- http://rtr.ca/workshop/ ). Anyway, last act of the day was to swap out the overflowed bin for an empty one -- I'll clean out the bags some other day. No photos cuz SWMBO was out and about (pronounced "oot and aboot" up this way), and I was just "in the groove" happily cutting away (thus the overflow). But there is a pic from yesterday. And now things are at the point where I can assemble three more docks -- payment notices just went out for those. Cheers From mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 12 00:25:00 2003 From: mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mlord@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 11 22:04:38 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: A Slight Glitch.. Message-ID: Oh, and for Bitt (and others): This photo -- http://rtr.ca/workshop/z0000572.jpg -- shows tempered Masonite (smooth ONE side only) as used on the shop dustbins -- visible on the one in the rear. Cheers From mcomb at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 12 00:40:00 2003 From: mcomb at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Mike Comb) Date: Wed Jun 11 22:04:43 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: A Slight Glitch.. Message-ID: The fact that your workshop has its own faq is just too cool :-) You might be a geek if... :-p) -Mike From canuckInLA at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 12 02:39:00 2003 From: canuckInLA at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (canuckInLA@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 12 22:00:13 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: A Slight Glitch.. Message-ID: You know... here I am waiting in the queue, and it's like, every day there's an update, and I dunno, but it just doesn't seem to fit with all the other projects. I demand to have to wait 6 weeks between updates -- it just doesn't feel like you're being part of the community, here. If this keeps up, I'm going to have to cancel my dock orders! ;-) Oh, wait... I forgot... this is the same guy who wrote hijack as an excuse to inflate his post count. From Shonky at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 12 03:15:00 2003 From: Shonky at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Shonky@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 12 22:00:26 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Darn tuner doesn't work Message-ID: Given they are a crimp connector, you should be able to get each wire out using a small paperclip or pointed instrument to push the catch on the terminal. The wire should just then slide out. Make sure the catch is sticking out far enough and put it into the correct position and it should just click in. From Chip at jungle.net Thu Jun 12 03:30:00 2003 From: Chip at jungle.net (Steve Hartman) Date: Thu Jun 12 22:00:40 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] encoding on this thing? Message-ID: I dont see what the big deal is for someone who already owns an empeg.... but check this out... i just thought of this... correct me if i'm wrong (that's directed to the guys that made this thing) The part that i dont like is the ability to "encode from your head unit" becuase its gotta do it via the Analog cable... that means that you're going to get crappy encodings of mp3s. You might get line noise from the engine, but you wont get as good of a mp3 if you were to "rip" it on your pc. Its like making an mp3 my recording via your line in on your pc. Thoes mp3s sound pretty lously IMHO. THEN on top of that, you're stuck with a copy of your friend's CD that you just "encoded" in your collection, in a crappy quality. Now, you're building a crappy mp3 collection, to then trade with people online, or via P2P, and now you're spreading crappy encodings of mp3s! ARGGG!! This is the lazy way out of doing it RIGHT! ... which would be with a CD rom/Audio CD player in the dash, that will RIP digitally from the CD! That's how it should be done! Dont get me started about the voice memo thing.... i'm sure that will sound like crap once you roll down the window and then leave a voice memo, "dont forget milk on the way home!" From loren at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 12 04:09:00 2003 From: loren at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (loren@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 12 22:00:52 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: A Slight Glitch.. Message-ID: Your shop is insane. That is the only word i can think of to describe it. Beautiful insanity From rowitech at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 12 05:38:00 2003 From: rowitech at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (rowitech@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 12 22:01:08 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: fan install Message-ID: BTW: How hot is too hot? Is 55°C the max as described in the FAQ? My Empeg is in default-configuration for alarming me when it's too hot. Is this defaultvalue set up very low or do I need a fan when I hear these alarms frequently when it's very hot in the car? Rolf From boxer at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 12 07:27:00 2003 From: boxer at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (boxer@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 12 22:01:18 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Darn tuner doesn't work Message-ID: You are, of course, right - it's just that my ageing fingers and eyes couldn't quite manage that! From rowitech at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 12 09:26:00 2003 From: rowitech at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (rowitech@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 12 22:01:32 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Empeg-Screen live on Webbrowser Message-ID: Hi, I just typed around and did a small javascript that refreshes the Empeg-screen (the meta refresh won't look nice). Maybe there is someone who might find this useful. It's very small. - Download the small script as showscreen.html (or any other .html) - Put it to e.g. /programs0 with ftp empeg ... quote site rw put showscreen.html /programs0 quote site r0 (use your Empeg's IP if you haven't put it into your DNS) - call in your browser http://empeg/programs0/showscreen.html That's it. Looks nice. Rolf From mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 12 10:52:00 2003 From: mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mlord@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 12 22:01:44 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: A Slight Glitch.. Message-ID: Uhmm, yeah.. so embarassing, that. I mean, like, what will I ever do now that Hijack is complete? ;-) From mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 12 10:55:00 2003 From: mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mlord@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 12 22:01:54 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: A Slight Glitch.. Message-ID: In my black jeep down in North Carolina the empeg almost always gets too hot when driving around for more than 30 minutes in the summer. A fan is a must - and I've got it turned down too low. *^_^* From yn0t_ at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 12 11:37:00 2003 From: yn0t_ at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (yn0t_@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 12 22:02:19 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: A Slight Glitch.. Message-ID: what will I ever do now that Hijack is complete?Says who? :-p) From mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 12 13:39:00 2003 From: mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mlord@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 12 22:02:29 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: A Slight Glitch.. Message-ID: Speaking of which.. another day, another update (and photo). Cheers From TigerJimmy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 12 13:53:00 2003 From: TigerJimmy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (TigerJimmy@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 12 22:02:40 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Drive upgrade curiosity Message-ID: Here is a strange thing. I was upgrading a friend's empeg (I've done several now using the excellent drive upgrade FAQ) and a weird thing happened. This is what I did: 1. Removed the two old disks. 2. Installed the two new disks. 3. Ran the builder 4. Installed the 2.0 final. 5. Removed one new disk and installed one old disk as secondary. 6. Copied the data. 7. *Tried* to switch drives to copy the other pair. At this point, the strangest thing happened. The boot logs indicated that the empeg was recognizing the drives, but I got Hard Disk Not Found. Odd. So, I did the following: 1. Triple checked all of the connections. 2. Carefully recrimped all the connectors on the IDE cable. 3. Tried again. Same schidt. So, I figured I'd try one drive at a time. It would work with neither of the 2nd pair of drives (one old and one new), but it would work just fine with the first new drive I had copied. Very strange. How could *two* drives have gone bad? I was careful with ESD and that whole business. I tried them several times thinking I had some kind of intermittent failure on the cable or connector. Nope -- totally repeatable. I decided to see if the builder image could find the second new drive (the regular image couldn't, apprarently). So, I did this: 1. Install the second new drive as the only drive. 2. Try it again one last time to make sure it doesn't work. 2. Load the builder image. 3. See what happens. Well, this is what happened: the builder recognized the disk and even recognized it as already built. I pressed enter to rebuild the disk. With the procedure I just did, I was trying to eliminate physical connectivity issues because I tried it with two images (2.0 final -- didn't work, builder -- did work) without touching or moving the drive or cable at all. After the disk was rebuilt, I reloaded the 2.0 final. It worked, so I installed the other disk (the remaining old disk) and copied the data. Its now working with both new disks. Sorry if this wasn't worth reporting, but it seemed odd and I thought I'd mention it. Jim From kswish0 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 12 14:18:00 2003 From: kswish0 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (kswish0@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 12 22:02:51 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: encoding on this thing? Message-ID: It has usb also. You could still use your computer to rip and encode the music then load it onto the player through usb. It would be nice to be able to record the radio though. And radio already sounds like crap anyways so it wouldn't matter if it was a bad encoding. That way, you would have your favorite radio programs on the player, along with quality mp3's From Chip at jungle.net Thu Jun 12 14:21:00 2003 From: Chip at jungle.net (Steve Hartman) Date: Thu Jun 12 22:02:59 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: encoding on this thing? Message-ID: I agree, and that's why it's not much different from the empeg. But It would be cool if the empeg could record off the radio. I wonder how many people would really use that feature. From jem7784 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 12 15:01:00 2003 From: jem7784 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (jem7784@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 12 22:03:08 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: fan install Message-ID: I have a 96 Integra and before that a 90 CRX and both using a Kenwood Head Unit. In the CRX which was an OVEN in the interior with it being black and all that glass, and even with taking the Empeg in and out of the car for work, anything more than about 30 minutes and I'd be tripping the alarm. So I atttached a fan and this helped... but not much. So when I got the Integra, I had to mount the Empeg ABOVE the head unit and on the CRX it was below. I thought this would improve airflow but the same problem returned. Well... I am a Mechanical engineer and have access to a laser, so I had them cut me two fan cutouts to the left and right of the middle fan and centered in the plate. I then bought a hard drive cooler set up that is supposed to mount to a 5.25" hard drive and it has 2 BIG fans and a heat sink... well, with a little maneuvering, this will go in there across both hard drives and the cover closes. It is loud, yes, but it doesn't bother me. At work, it dropped the temper ature about 23F and actually is more efficient than the open air setup (I did some tests). In the car, the warmest I've gotten is 47C and that was on a near 90F degree day with no AC on and an hour drive.... but it hit that temp quickly and stayed there. This is just my solution... I've got 80GB with like 19,000 songs on it and I do not use the radio because it's horrible around here so I had to have a solution that kept me with music all the time no matter what weather From hussein at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 12 15:34:00 2003 From: hussein at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (hussein@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 12 22:03:16 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Darn tuner doesn't work Message-ID: So basically I just need to switch around one of the cables. If I take this post to CarToys will they know what to do to install this correctly? Is there any kind of test to see if the cables are right - just read the schematic right? From tfabris at jps.net Thu Jun 12 15:53:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Thu Jun 12 22:03:25 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Darn tuner doesn't work Message-ID: So basically I just need to switch around one of the cables. Not necessarily. That might or might not be your problem. We can't know without someone opening up your dash and checking it. It's possible that the tuner module is genuinely faulty. It's also possible that it's some other wiring problem, either something CarToys did wrong, or perhaps it's this problem. Someone with experience and a good eye needs to look at the installation closely and carefully to determine where the fault is. From tfabris at jps.net Thu Jun 12 15:59:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Thu Jun 12 22:03:33 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: encoding on this thing? Message-ID: This is the lazy way out of doing it RIGHT! ... which would be with a CD rom/Audio CD player in the dash, that will RIP digitally from the CD! That's how it should be done! There are a few products on the market that do this already, and at least one that I wish were on the market. (Click here for photo) From tfabris at jps.net Thu Jun 12 16:05:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Thu Jun 12 22:03:41 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Drive upgrade curiosity Message-ID: I believe you might be describing a bug that Paul Grzelak (at least I think it was Paul) reported recently with the builder image. Anyone have a link to that thread? Either that or it's a bad IDE header that's giving intermittent trouble. From Chimaera at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 12 16:14:00 2003 From: Chimaera at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Chimaera@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 12 22:03:50 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Drive upgrade curiosity Message-ID: 2. Installed the two new disks. 3. Ran the builder Doesn't the builder only build the disk on the primary interface? If so the slave disk wouldn't be built, plus you would also need to install 2.0final on both disks seperatly. From lopan at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 12 16:14:00 2003 From: lopan at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (lopan@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 12 22:03:58 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Flakey volume control Message-ID: Count me in as well... mine is acting simply freakish.. From tfabris at jps.net Thu Jun 12 16:19:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Thu Jun 12 22:04:06 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Drive upgrade curiosity Message-ID: Doesn't the builder only build the disk on the primary interface? Good question. I thought it built both of them, and I think the D.U.G. even says so. If that's wrong, I need to correct that. Anyone have definitive information? From tfabris at jps.net Thu Jun 12 16:24:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Thu Jun 12 22:04:15 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Flakey volume control Message-ID: I'm wondering if additional software corrections could compensate for the problems some of us are having with the volume knob. Mine usually behaves itself just fine, except when I'm trying to turn it very slowly and carefully exactly one click louder. Then, a tiny bit of noise from the contact, and the player shoots from -20db all the way up to 0db in an instant. That can't be right, we should be able to debounce that in software. Anyone? From wfaulk at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 12 16:28:00 2003 From: wfaulk at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (wfaulk@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 12 22:04:23 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Flakey volume control Message-ID: My only problem is that sometimes the physical clicks become disconnected from the logical clicks. The most common occurance of this is when I'm trying to go one click up slowly and nothing happens, so I move it another click and two occur at once, and the speed with which those two happen often throws it into acceleration mode, and the logical change will be well more than one. This happens most often in the menus and not in volume, but that's probably just because I'm attempting to be precise in the menus more often. From lopan at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 12 16:35:00 2003 From: lopan at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (lopan@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 12 22:04:31 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Flakey volume control Message-ID: maybe a patch? Something to fix that and the scanning problem in tuner mode would rock... From Chimaera at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 12 16:36:00 2003 From: Chimaera at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Chimaera@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 12 22:04:39 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Drive upgrade curiosity Message-ID: I must admit I thought I had read that in the D.U.G., but I just went back and checked and it does say both, and as I have never tried it with two disks attached, I am probably wrong. The problem of the drives not booting is probably due to: Two old drives - Primary contains files needed to fully boot Two new drives - 2.0 only put onto Primary Boot with New master < old master set to slave - both drives contain the files needed to boot, so everything works. Boot with new slave set to master and old slave - neither disk has had a SW version applied, so boot fails due to missing files. Just a guess :-) From tfabris at jps.net Thu Jun 12 17:13:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Thu Jun 12 22:04:48 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Drive upgrade curiosity Message-ID: I just went back and checked and it does say both, and as I have never tried it with two disks attached, I am probably wrong. I could just as easily be the one who's wrong. I also have never tried to use the builder to format two disks at the same time. Anyone know for sure? From mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 12 17:14:00 2003 From: mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mlord@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 12 22:04:56 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Flakey volume control Message-ID: The knob is handled almost completely in kernel space (eg. Hijack), so if anyone out there would like to redo the code for it, source is available to us all! Cheers From tfabris at jps.net Thu Jun 12 17:15:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Thu Jun 12 22:05:05 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Drive upgrade curiosity Message-ID: Boot with new slave set to master and old slave - neither disk has had a SW version applied, so boot fails due to missing files. Hey, here's a good question. Anyone who knows the kernel software and is willing to look at the source code could answer this... If you have a properly partitioned drive, but no player software installed on that drive, does the kernel display the "no hard disk found contact support" message, or does it display some other message? From Mataglap at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 12 17:17:00 2003 From: Mataglap at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Mataglap@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 12 22:05:13 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Best Portable player right now? Message-ID: I'm going to getting one (and a second base), and mostly because of the Ogg support! Make moving audio files a whole bunch easier between home and the office. The pictures are cool, thanks for posting them. Two questions: First, will the built-in playlist software have the ability to randomly songs (either randomly sort the playlist or randomly pick the next song without repeating or playing too much from the same artist or album in a row)? Second, with the USB port will I be able to see it as an extra hard drive on my computer? (This way I can use foobar2000 as the player but store all the files on the Pearl?) Thanks! --Nathan From pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 12 17:55:00 2003 From: pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (pgrzelak@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 12 22:05:19 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Drive upgrade curiosity Message-ID: Greetings! Is this the thread you were looking for? From mrfixit at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 12 18:32:00 2003 From: mrfixit at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mrfixit@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 12 22:05:26 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Drive upgrade curiosity Message-ID: Hey I had the same thing happen to me but it was a while ago and with v2b13 on win98 it was fine after I ran the builder the second time. I did post somthing about it but I cant find it now. found the post here From hussein at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 12 19:29:00 2003 From: hussein at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (hussein@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 12 22:05:32 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Darn tuner doesn't work Message-ID: well Cartoys took out the tuner. So it's sitting in the back seat of my car now. Anyone based up in the Seattle region who has a good eye and could take a look? From sirmanson at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Thu Jun 12 19:55:00 2003 From: sirmanson at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (sirmanson@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Thu Jun 12 22:05:39 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Flakey volume control Message-ID: That would be awsome! As well as saving quite a few of us from replacing our knobs. From Shonky at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 13 04:19:00 2003 From: Shonky at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Shonky@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 13 22:00:29 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Flakey volume control Message-ID: The knob is handled almost completely in kernel space (eg. Hijack) If that's the case then why does the Hijack menu respond to turning the knob _so_ much better than the the volume control, menus etc? It would appear there is some other extra debouncing in the player software though. I remember seeing something about the knob being debounced in player software before I even got my empeg. Or am I making this up? From gui at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 13 05:58:00 2003 From: gui at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Philip Arnold) Date: Fri Jun 13 22:00:40 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: A Slight Glitch.. Message-ID: < I try and get around that by having a small shop (388 sq.ft.), jam packed with goodies. Hmmm, your *small* shop is 70% of the size of my flat!! Phil From JaBZ at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 13 06:59:00 2003 From: JaBZ at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (JaBZ@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 13 22:00:53 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Support, Handle Message-ID: Ok my make shift repair on my handle isn't holding up too well... (2 part Epoxy time) :-) I'm glad I read that Rob is answering support emails, even recent ones. But I haven't received a reply to mine yet, and don't know if I should have? since Rob is answering newer support emails?? I've resent it a couple of times too... cheers, Jai From tfabris at jps.net Fri Jun 13 10:12:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Fri Jun 13 22:01:08 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Flakey volume control Message-ID: Good question, Shonky. I personally don't notice the knob behaving any differently in the player software than in the Hijack menu, though, can you describe the differences you notice? I had another "experience" with the volume knob yesterday that I wanted to share and wondered if anyone else had seen the same thing. - I was trying to turn the volume from about -30 up to -10. - I turned the knob quickly, to reach into the teens. - As I got closer to my goal of -10, I slowed my rate of turn. - At -10.50, I slowed my rate of turn so that I was carefully and gently trying to get that "one last click" to get it to -10.00. - As that last click was happening, it shot past -10, all the way up to 0db and I was blasted. From tfabris at jps.net Fri Jun 13 10:18:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Fri Jun 13 22:01:21 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Flakey volume control Message-ID: Here's another question... Recently, I started having trouble with the analog joystick on one of the Nintendo Gamecube controllers. Not wanting to buy another one, I dismantled the controller, desoldered the analog X/Y potentiometer assembly, dismantled the troubled potentiometer, cleaned it carefully with isopropyl alcohol, reassembled, and resoldered. The joystick works like it was brand new again. Does anyone know what the innards of the empeg's rotary encoder are like? Is it possible that it would benefit from a similar procedure? From cushman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 13 10:33:00 2003 From: cushman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (cushman@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 13 22:01:33 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: A Slight Glitch.. Message-ID: And half the size of my office!. From tfabris at jps.net Fri Jun 13 10:36:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Fri Jun 13 22:01:42 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: A Slight Glitch.. Message-ID: Heh: "New Hotness". :-) Nice work. From djc at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 13 11:46:00 2003 From: djc at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (djc@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 13 22:01:49 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Drive upgrade curiosity Message-ID: the builder builds both drives, if attached. it only stress tests the primary, however. the drives in a couple of my units were built this way, and are working just fine. the upgrade guide is accurate as is, i believe. --dan. From tfabris at jps.net Fri Jun 13 12:17:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Fri Jun 13 22:01:55 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Drive upgrade curiosity Message-ID: Cool, thanks! Always nice to see news that means I don't have to edit anything. :-) From mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 13 12:45:00 2003 From: mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mlord@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 13 22:02:00 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: A Slight Glitch.. Message-ID: Wow, look at all that space! Perhaps you need an Empeg dock or two, to help fill some of that! ;-) Speaking of which.. two more docks are being glued up now, so I've just sent out more payment notifications. Cheers From xanatos at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 13 16:37:00 2003 From: xanatos at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (xanatos@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 13 22:02:07 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Strange randomization Message-ID: One thing I've noticed since I've gotten the player, is that just about always one particular group in general is always grouped extremely close together on random play. "Verve Pipe". I don't know if something with the random seed creates it, but in just about every instance fo playing all songs in the play list puts all 7 or 8 songs I have of them very close. Typically playing 3 in a row, having a random song, 2 more of their songs, a few random sonds and then the last couple after that. Is there anything that would cause this? I haven't noticed it with any other artists, pretty much just with this one, and it's happened ever since I got the player way back in version 1.01 software. Just thought I would mention the quirk to see if anyone else has noticed something similar to this. From tfabris at jps.net Fri Jun 13 16:40:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Fri Jun 13 22:02:12 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: EVERYONE has reported this, and the empeg guys keep insisting that it's ordinary statistical clustering and there's nothing wrong with the randomization code. I see it happen so often that I'm convinced there's some kind of a bug or weakness in the randomization code that no one's caught yet. From robricc at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 13 16:44:00 2003 From: robricc at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (robricc@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 13 22:02:18 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: There are two bands that I notice the empeg plays more than any others. Collective Soul and Verve Pipe. Collective Soul used to be a lot bigger problem, but since 2.00b13, it seems to have become more random. For only having one Verve Pipe CD on the empeg, they do get an awful lot of play though. I usually only get 200 tracks into a "full suffle" playlist. I would have to say you're on to something. From FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 13 17:12:00 2003 From: FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (FerretBoy@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 13 22:02:24 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: Ok, I touched on this in another thread but here's my take: I'm betting this is totally random. I admit that I had doubts in the beginning before I took over the program I work with now. I can’t get into specifics, but it basically does randomly picks from a fixed list of available items. Every time it selects it does a completely isolated selection, but I get calls every day from users complaining that it isn’t random (that it “favors” certain items). I have tested the program, examined the random number generator, and written lengthy papers to explain the behavior, and yet I still get the calls. The truth is that I can plug all of the numbers into an excel spreadsheet and every time the numbers that the users report are well within expectations. The problem is the perception of non-randomness, not the program. True randomness does not yield an even distribution, though that’s what we expect. If it did, however, that would be an indication that i t isn’t in fact random. Now my program is a little different than the Empeg and I can’t say for sure that the randomizer on the Empeg is accurate. All I know is that I still get calls at least once a week complaining, and during some parts of the month (when program usage is high) I’ll get them every day. So Empeg guys, I feel your pain. One example I remember from this community is the same song title coming up three times in a row (3 different version of the same song). I don’t remember if this was alleging a problem or not, but I know we discussed the randomizer in that thread. If you think about it much, this clearly wasn’t the randomizer at fault. The reason? The randomizer certainly isn’t taking song title into account; in fact I believe that if the randomizer were broken the only information that would affect how often a song was selected would be the song “position” (ie where it resides in the “list” of songs). Since I believe this particular song was three cuts off of three different albums, clearly the randomizer wasn’t at fault, as the songs were not located right next to each other. The only correlation between the three songs was incidental to the randomizer, but we perceived a correlation. The only thing I can say is that perhaps the randomizer could be “_de_-randomize” since it seems that’s the behavior we all want. I think, though, that that’s what the parameterized shuffles are for. From sirmanson at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 13 17:17:00 2003 From: sirmanson at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (sirmanson@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 13 22:02:30 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Flakey volume control Message-ID: My Empeg does this all of the time. I have noticed the same behaviour in Hijack (modifying left right delay) From yn0t_ at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 13 17:31:00 2003 From: yn0t_ at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (yn0t_@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 13 22:02:36 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: I agree that this is a red herring, and is basically a result of peoples' distorted perceptions of what randomness is. In order to give people what they want, the shuffle algorithm would have to go through on a second pass and "de-cluster" any songs from same artists/albums/whatever. From msaeger at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 13 17:40:00 2003 From: msaeger at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (msaeger@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 13 22:02:43 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: Just tell yourself it's a feature and the empeg has artificial intelligence. Today I was playing all my punk stuff and it would play three songs from each artist it picked it was pretty cool. From FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 13 17:44:00 2003 From: FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (FerretBoy@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 13 22:02:50 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: the shuffle algorithm would have to go through on a second pass and "de-cluster" any songs from same artists/albums/whatever. The first post I ever made here was to request this feature. In the end I "beat the system" by setting up a complex series of playlists that achieves this. (which only goes to show how flexable the playlist system is on the Empeg). One thing the Empeg guys may want to think about is how average consumers will react to this "pure" radomization in their other products. I'd guess that most aren't going to care whether the process is totally random or not, they'll want something closer to what you just described. From tfabris at jps.net Fri Jun 13 17:51:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Fri Jun 13 22:02:56 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: Well, the main thing I'm noticing seems to defy even the statistical normals that you'd expect in a true random shuffle. I'm not talking about a few songs by the same band coming close together. I'm also not talking about a few variations of the same song coming close together. I'm not talking about a certain band who dominate my playlist with sheer numbers (say, Rush) coming up excessive amounts. All of the above I would expect from a random shuffle, and pretty frequently. No, I'm talking about a consistent and regular "comb" of a LARGE NUMBER of closely-grouped FIDs coming up on EVERY SINGLE RESHUFFLE, usually noticeable within the first couple dozen tracks or so. Case in point: - My player has about 3000 songs on it now, of which 2759 are not ignored-as-child on a "down down down" shuffle. - Of those songs, there are exactly 13 by Madonna. The album "Ray of Light" is the only album of hers I own. - I do a down-down-down shuffle in purely Random mode. - The beginning of the playlist looks like this: Some song Some song Some song A song from Ray of Light Some song A song from Ray of Light Some song A song from Ray of Light Some song Some song Some song Some song Some song Some song A song from Ray of Light Some song Some song A song from Ray of Light Some song A song from Ray of Light Some song A song from Ray of Light Some song Some song Some song A song from Ray of Light Some song Some song Some song Some song A song from Ray of Light Some song Some song Some song Some song Some song Some song (etc...) Now, I could imagine this once in a while. But I see this happening at least once somewhere in every single full-player-shuffle. I will admit that each time it's not "Ray of light" but it's something, some album or artist who I don't have a lot of compared to the rest of my collection. Are you saying that in a truly random shuffle, that this behavior is still within the realm of statistical distribution? From TigerJimmy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 13 17:54:00 2003 From: TigerJimmy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (TigerJimmy@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 13 22:03:03 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Drive upgrade curiosity Message-ID: When watching the builder log, I noticed that it built both drives. I was under the impression that the player software was loaded onto the flash. I'd really like to understand that better. Is there anything critical on the drives that is required at boot time *and* is not installed by the builder on to the secondary drive? From TigerJimmy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 13 17:55:00 2003 From: TigerJimmy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (TigerJimmy@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 13 22:03:09 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Drive upgrade curiosity Message-ID: One thought: the builder might build primary and secondary differently. If so, when replacing both drives and copying from two old drives, one would need to run the builder on the new drives twice, once with each drive as the primary. From wfaulk at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 13 18:01:00 2003 From: wfaulk at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (wfaulk@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 13 22:03:15 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Drive upgrade curiosity Message-ID: The kernel is stored in flash. The player software (and other OS stuff) is stored on the hard drive. When you install new player software, it installs both, but only installs the player software on the primary drive. If, for some reason, the drives were swapped, the kernel would definitely remain the same, but the player software would be whatever was on the old secondary drive. This could be the same, an older version, or nothing. Either of the last two is pretty bad. Of course, the drives aren't going to magically swap on their own. Also, after you've done the builder thing, the drives have no software on them. They've really just been partitioned in preparation for software (and music). From xanatos at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 13 18:10:00 2003 From: xanatos at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (xanatos@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 13 22:03:21 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: I totally agree with you Tony. I'm not much complainging, but I have noticed it specifically with Virve Pipe, and always with all of the songs on a "down-down-down" shuffle. Typically Verve Pipe comes up somewhere in the middle, but it's always every single one of the songs they have within a block of about 20 songs, with multiple ones next to each other. Currently I have 2161 songs, and it varys between 1300 and 2600 depending on my current "playlist" mood and what I have on it. But in every case, Verve Pipe always comes up in almost the exact same "pattern". Of course, there is no such thing as true randomization, just a close aproximation to it. At least it isn't like WinAMP. On more than one Occasion I can start guessing the next few songs based on the previous few. I also have to agree that the randomization has gotten "better" as time has gone on. In the 1.x version of the software it was also pretty predictable depending on the seed the down-down-down shuffle got. Now it just happens to be with the few Verve Pipe songs I have that I always notice it on. Sorry to bring up such a heated topic! From FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 13 18:21:00 2003 From: FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (FerretBoy@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 13 22:03:27 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: Sorry to bring up such a heated topic!Heh, didn't mean to get defensive. It really isn't a heated topic for me, at least not where the Empeg is concerned. It is heated when it comes to my application though, cause I'm so tired of wasting development time trying to answer the same question over and over again (and yes, it's in our FAQ). For all I know the Empeg randomizer could be messed up, I'm just trying to offer a defense because I know how tiring this battle can be for the developer! :-) From FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 13 18:53:00 2003 From: FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (FerretBoy@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 13 22:03:33 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: Are you saying that in a truly random shuffle, that this behavior is still within the realm of statistical distribution?I was going to say that it was, but I decided to write a program to try and prove it. Anyway, the program generates a random list of "songs" grouped by tens into albums. You can set the total number of tracks. It will then tell you how much "combing" it found within the sample by looking for songs on the same album that are 1 apart, 2 apart, 3 apart, etc. I also chopped the stats at the first 30, as this is where you'd normally perceive the problem. What I found is that the combing effect seems to be relatively low. Much lower than what I've seen on the Empeg. As I conceived this test and coded it in under a half hour I'm not sure how accurate it is (or bug free). I'll have to take the weekend to think it over. Anyway, the program is attached if you care to look at it. From FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 13 18:56:00 2003 From: FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (FerretBoy@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 13 22:03:39 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: And here is the Delphi source (if anyone can still read Pascal) in case anyone wants to point out an error I made. Remember, be nice. I coded this in thirty mins. From genixia at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 13 19:12:00 2003 From: genixia at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (genixia@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 13 22:03:45 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: Are you saying that in a truly random shuffle, that this behavior is still within the realm of statistical distribution? Of course it is. If you got _exactly_ the same running order from a ddd shuffle as one that you'd had before then _that_ wouldn't be within the realm. (Unless you'd shuffled somewhere in the order of n! times before). But you have to remember that in a _purely_ random shuffle, there exists a chance that the resulting order is exactly the same as the unshuffled order. As there is also the chance that the resulting order is the same but with only the last 2 tracks swapped. Or only the first 2. Or only _any_ 2 tracks. None of those would be considered as 'shuffled', but are totally valid in a _purely_ random shuffle. What about when we consider the huge number of other running orders that are also similar to the unshuffled playlist? Starting with a playlist of 2000 tracks, I would suggest that if in the resulting running order the first 1000 tracks were exactly the same, and only the last 1000 tracks got moved around, everyone would cry foul. Yet there are 1000! ways that this could happen. Sure, the odds of it happening are still only approximately 1 in (2000!/1000!), but those 4x10^2567 possible results are still valid in a _purely_ random shuffle. From tfabris at jps.net Fri Jun 13 20:32:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Fri Jun 13 22:03:52 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: What I found is that the combing effect seems to be relatively low. Much lower than what I've seen on the Empeg. Actually, if I'm reading the output of this program correctly, it's kind of showing me that a certain amount of combing is to be expected. I didn't catch how it decides what an "album" is, I assume it's 10-15 sequential numbers? If so, does your algorithm count any number close to ANY 15th-or-less neighbor without considering album boundaries, or does it split the list up into discrete album segments and then decide from that list? For example: If it sees two guys from the list "A B C D E F G H I " close together, say D and G close together, it counts that as a "hit", but what if the album boundary was between E and F? Then it shouldn't be considered a hit. I know that from the point of view of a statistical sample, the album boundary is irrelevant. But from our perception of whether or not D and G are unnaturally paired, it's critical. And that's what we're testing: Is it normal for us to perceive that kind of clustering and combing in a random shuffle? This discussion has been VERY enlightening so far! In fact, if we can fancy-up that Delphi program a bit more (make it more obvious what it's measuring), I'll do a FAQ entry on this topic and link the EXE from the FAQ. From tfabris at jps.net Fri Jun 13 20:50:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Fri Jun 13 22:03:58 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] A Lift from Cambridge to Amersfoort? Message-ID: How are folks from Cambridge (or heck, any of England) getting to Amersfoort? Are you driving and taking a ferry? Chunnel? Flying? Swimming? If anyone is doing some variation of driving, has anyone got room for Me, Jenny, and Rachel to bum a ride? Our tentative plan is to fly into London during the week before, spend a day or two there, head out to Cambridge to see the flat at some point, and then head to Amersfoort. I've got the travel agent working on Cambridge- Oh, and the travel agent is quoting me some pretty stiff rail fares just to get from London to Cambridge. If anyone wants to come pick us up at the hotel in London at some point, we'd love that, too. :-) :-) :-) From cushman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 13 21:43:00 2003 From: cushman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (cushman@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 13 22:04:11 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: A Slight Glitch.. Message-ID: *laughs* Your docks are awesome, and I'd buy one or two, but I'm a DIY kind of guy ;-) Besides, my two docking connectors and the power pins from Digi-key came today via UPS. The smaller pins (I ordered 50) are on back order until June 22 }:-(. That's OK though, I still have enough stuff to do until they arrive. My router table is really being put to use now, I'm making new thresholds out of maple for the borders between my carpet and the ceramic tile I installed last year. From rompel at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 13 22:31:00 2003 From: rompel at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (rompel@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 13 22:04:17 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: Jeff, Other than being a bit inefficient (you're using an O(n^2) shuffle algorithm where a simple O(n) algorithm could be substituted), the code looks good. You might post an example output for those of us who don't run Windows (or have Kylix), though. More to the point, it has long been my expert opinion that there is something broken in the Empeg's shuffle code. I've seen too many cases like the one Tony described to chalk it up to the normal pockets of order in truly random data. --John From genixia at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 13 22:41:00 2003 From: genixia at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (genixia@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 13 22:04:23 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Flakey volume control Message-ID: Does anyone know what the innards of the empeg's rotary encoder are like? Is it possible that it would benefit from a similar procedure I haven't looked, but I'd have to wonder whether it's worth it. Every time you de-/re- solder the encoder you are risking potential damage to the display board. I'd hate to go through the motions only to discover that my cleaning wasn't good enough and that I had to replace it anyway. For $10 it's probably worth just replacing it to start with. If it were a $40 part then it'd be a different matter. If it is possible to easily dismantle the encoder without desoldering it first (doubtful), then perhaps it's worth a shot. From mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 13 20:01:00 2003 From: mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mlord@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 13 22:04:30 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] More progress! Message-ID: I've updated the Home Docks page again with the latest news and photos. Basically, the two sheets of "tempered hardboard" (for the back panels) arrived today and.. it's the _real stuff!_. I wish I'd had material this nice for all of the earlier docks, as it is so much easier to machine and handle in the shop -- nice crisp edges, clean cuts with no sanding/clean-up, and it looks rather handsome as well. Plenty stiff enough, even better than the really old stuff was. Folks are going to be very happy with these back panels! We now have over 130 complete sets of dock parts cut out and machined to final form. Still gotta notch out the serial port connector holes, and drill for screws, and cut biscuit slots.. but the end is in sight! Or rather, the beginning of gluing up new docks is in sight! Cheers From maczrool at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 13 20:11:00 2003 From: maczrool at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (maczrool@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 13 22:04:37 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: More progress! Message-ID: How hard is it to open up one of your docks for adding extra components/replacing the panel? Is there anything glued together or any other impediment that would make doing so exceedingly difficult? Stu From Meatballman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 13 23:07:00 2003 From: Meatballman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Meatballman@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 13 22:04:44 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: I get exactly the same behavior as Tony. Many songs from the same artist that only has a few songs on the player with a song or two intersperced between them. This behavior is reproduceable nearly every time my empeg is played in shuffle. For instance, I'm in Richmond VA on business right now. I have one album from REO Speedwagon on my player... The Hits. In a two hour drive here from the airport in Raleigh-Durham, I easily heard 8 or 9 songs from that album, with one or two seemingly random tracks between each of them. This happens constantly. From Micman2b at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 13 23:33:00 2003 From: Micman2b at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Micman2b@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 13 22:04:50 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: Two hours from RDU to Richmond huh. Boy, I am glad you did not get pulled by the NC Patrols. :-) Anyway. Drove from RDU airport area to Greensboro, NC this afternoon and the same thing happened with Collective Soul (v2.0f on the empeg) I have five Collective soul albums and 9500 songs on the empeg. I think i heard at least 5 Collective Soul songs in that drive... This is typical. Pick any band. Moby, Alison Krauss (AKUS), Zappa, Ween... This happens occasionally. I found the player loves to group Travis or Pink Floyd (or any member solo project). Is the shuffle/random slighted toward the british music??? Usually if I do not like the shuffle, shuffle again... :-) From mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 13 23:34:00 2003 From: mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mlord@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 13 22:04:57 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: More progress! Message-ID: Hi Stu, The docks open up with four screws from the bottom. Everything inside then lifts out except the docking connection -- have to remove all of the gold pins to get it completely out, but there's no need to do that. Adding a connector to the rear is very easy to do. I think you'll get some practice soon, as one of the docks here is being sent via you next week. Cheers From wfaulk at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 13 23:38:00 2003 From: wfaulk at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (wfaulk@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 13 22:05:03 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: More progress! Message-ID: one of the docks here is being sent via you next weekNew delivery option? Stu-back? From mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Fri Jun 13 23:41:00 2003 From: mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mlord@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 13 22:05:09 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: A Lift from Cambridge to Amersfoort? Message-ID: Hey Tony! When are you flying in (Heathrow?)? Sounds like we may have similar front-end itinaries!! I have to make my way up to Cambridge on the Saturday, to hitch up with Toby S. for some rock-climbing or whatever. Cheers From FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 14 00:11:00 2003 From: FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (FerretBoy@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 13 22:05:15 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: Actually, if I'm reading the output of this program correctly, it's kind of showing me that a certain amount of combing is to be expected.What is very strange is that you always get about 80 or 90 "combed" songs no matter how many total tracks you have (unless you got down to 50 or less, duh!), which made me question the output, but I couldn't find any bugs at first glance. I didn't catch how it decides what an "album" is, I assume it's 10-15 sequential numbers? If so, does your algorithm count any number close to ANY 15th-or-less neighbor without considering album boundaries, or does it split the list up into discrete album segments and then decide from that list?It does discrete album segments, assuming 10 "songs" for every "album", except perhaps the last (if you have an odd number). Put another way, it does consider "boundries" of albums. This discussion has been VERY enlightening so far! In fact, if we can fancy-up that Delphi program a bit more (make it more obvious what it's measuring), I'll do a FAQ entry on this topic and link the EXE from the FAQ.I'll see what I can do. I've been very bored at work recently so I should be able to mess with it in my down time on Monday. I also want to give my brain some time to think this through, as I didn't expect the results I got at all (though I guess that might be a good thing). From FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 14 00:15:00 2003 From: FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (FerretBoy@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 13 22:05:21 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: Other than being a bit inefficientYes, well I wrote it in a hurry and I've never done a shuffle algorithm before (my other program does random "selections", which is slightly different), so that was a brute force attempt! :-) the code looks good Excellent! Thanks for the sanity check. You might post an example output for those of us who don't run Windows (or have Kylix), though.I'll do that tomorrow (and I'll have to use my wife's machine as this is Linux I'm typing on right now). From rompel at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 14 01:01:00 2003 From: rompel at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (rompel@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 13 22:05:27 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: In reply to: What is very strange is that you always get about 80 or 90 "combed" songs no matter how many total tracks you have (unless you got down to 50 or less, duh!), which made me question the output, but I couldn't find any bugs at first glance. I don't find that strange. As you have more total tracks you have more places for "combed" songs to occur but the probability of a "combed" song at any one spot decreases. I could probably work out the math, but it's not surprising that these would cancel out. --John From rompel at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 14 01:21:00 2003 From: rompel at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (rompel@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Fri Jun 13 22:05:33 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: Yes, well I wrote it in a hurry and I've never done a shuffle algorithm before (my other program does random "selections", which is slightly different), so that was a brute force attempt! Hey, at least your code was correct! That's a lot better than many attempts. Just for reference, a good shuffle algorithm looks something like this: 
    /* Shuffle x[1..n] in place */
for i=n downto 2
        let j be uniform random from range [1..i]
        swap x[__i] and x[j]
    --John From ricin at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 14 04:17:00 2003 From: ricin at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (ricin@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sat Jun 14 22:00:16 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: Wine runs it fine. :-) From matthew_k at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 14 05:37:00 2003 From: matthew_k at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (matthew_k@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sat Jun 14 22:00:28 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: Just tell yourself it's a feature and the empeg has artificial intelligence. Well tonight (after about six hours of uneventfull shuffling today) my empeg played Rocky Horror's Rose Tint My World followed directly by Arlo Guthrie's I'm Going Home. For those of you familiar with Rocky Horror, I'm Going Home is the following track in the musical. Arlo Guthrie's song by the same name shares no relation. I was impressed that my empeg was emulating the kind of jokes I make when I make mix CDs. I do notice what people are pointing out however, that my empeg does seem to group songs by an artist together. For instance, I hadn't heard Aimee Mann in at least a month, when today I got three songs within an hour of driving. Probably just random coincidence. Matthew From pca at empeg.com Sat Jun 14 05:44:00 2003 From: pca at empeg.com (pca@empeg.com) Date: Sat Jun 14 22:00:38 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: A Lift from Cambridge to Amersfoort? Message-ID: When are you going up to Cambridge, and from where in London? I'm driving up from down south, then getting a lift with empeg people, and could probably fit in three people assuming there wasn't too much luggage. pca From FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 14 09:06:00 2003 From: FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (FerretBoy@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sat Jun 14 22:00:46 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: a good shuffle algorithm looks something like this:Thanks, I was going to ask! I suppose the fact that I was a CIS major not a computer science major is showing (since CIS was the closest thing my college offered). I never had a solid class that taught alogrithms. From FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 14 09:11:00 2003 From: FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (FerretBoy@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sat Jun 14 22:00:54 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: What is very strange is that you always get about 80 or 90 "combed" songs no matter how many total tracks you haveActually I meant 60-90, just for accuracy's sake. From FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 14 09:27:00 2003 From: FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (FerretBoy@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sat Jun 14 22:01:02 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: Here's an image for the non-window folks. I should point out it doesn't as much detect "combing" as it does songs off the same album close together. In the test run I just did, only 86 pairs (in 3000) were close together, and many of these might have been couples rather than full-blow "combing". I should add that since each pair is only noted once, the number of actual songs involved is higher than 86 (172 if all songs were couples and not triples, etc.) In addition, in the first thirty songs (where I determined you'd probably most notice the effect) only two songs from the same album were close together. Clearly this program is limited in what it tells us, but my first feeling is that we are seeing more "combing" on the Empeg than we should. From FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 14 09:36:00 2003 From: FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (FerretBoy@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sat Jun 14 22:01:10 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: The changes I'm planning to make are 1. Fix my stupid misspelling in the caption! Actually, I might just change it to something else entirely. Maybe I should also check the font . . . (sorry, deja vu from my last project!) 2. Allow the user to set range for album sizes (ex: 10-15 tracks). 3. Allow the user to set maximum gap for considering a pair of songs to be "combed" (Ex: 10 or less). 4. Get rid of the current statistics and replace them with: 5. An actual display of the sorted tracks (AlbumID/ Track No.) with "combed" songs marked. A "find next" will allow the user to jump to the next "combed" song so all patterns can be observed. Anybody have any other information they'd like to see? From Roger at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 14 10:24:00 2003 From: Roger at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Roger Lipscombe) Date: Sat Jun 14 22:01:18 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: A Lift from Cambridge to Amersfoort? Message-ID: > pretty stiff rail fares just to get from London to Cambridge Fares from London to Cambridge should be about £20/person (return), so slightly less (not half) for a single. Prices vary according to the time of day that you're travelling, which direction you're travelling in (if you buy the tickets in Cambridge, they're slightly cheaper, even for returns), and whether you want London Underground travel on the rail ticket. What were you quoted? From tfabris at jps.net Sat Jun 14 14:41:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Sat Jun 14 22:01:26 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: A Lift from Cambridge to Amersfoort? Message-ID: Fares from London to Cambridge should be about £20/person (return), so slightly less (not half) for a single. (...) What were you quoted? The quotes are in USD, and I'll give totals because this includes all three of us (me, Jenny, Rachel). "Heathrow express"... $87.00. I'm not sure what this is. I assume this is getting from the airport to our hotel or something. I dunno, I have to ask the agent. "Britrail Days Out Pass 2 days within 8 days"... $209.00. I believe what the agent did is quoted some kind of a bulk pass on the rail system that we could use any time, rather than just a one-way point-to-point ticket to Cambridge. I think it's because she wasn't certain when exactly we were going to Cambridge. "Eurail Selectpass 5 days within 2 months"... $760.00. I think this might be a similar thing to get us between Amersfoort and Germany, and within Germany for the week we'll be there. I think most of the above is probably not needed, and there's easier and cheaper ways to get between our destinations... From tfabris at jps.net Sat Jun 14 14:31:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Sat Jun 14 22:01:37 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: A Lift from Cambridge to Amersfoort? Message-ID: Mark and Patrick, When are you going up to Cambridge, and from where in London? "When" is open to your suggestion, and I don't know exactly where in London yet. Here's the tentative plan. It's not set in stone yet, and is subject to change, especially if changing it would make it easier for us to bum a ride or two. :-) - Arrive at London/Gatwick the morning of Wednesday July 2nd. - Spend the 2nd and the 3rd in London. Stay at the hotel two nights (I don't know which hotel yet), the nights of the 2nd and the 3rd. - The morning of Friday the 4th, hopefully check out of the hotel and get picked up by someone going to Cambridge. :-) - Spend a little time seeing the offices there and meeting everyone before we all head over to Amersfoort. assuming there wasn't too much luggage. We're hoping to keep the luggage for this trip light. We want to have only three rolling suitcases (one for each of us), partly because we've had bad experiences with lost checked baggage on connecting flights and want to do only carry-ons, and partly because we know that it'll be easier to bum rides if we don't have huge amounts of luggage. :-) From tfabris at jps.net Sat Jun 14 15:07:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Sat Jun 14 22:01:44 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: So FerretBoy, what you're saying is that the program is only reporting numbers of individual close pairs, rather than clustered groups. I expect to hear pairs rather often. It's clustered groups that I'm interested in. Here's another idea. Something I've toyed with the idea of making myself. A program that shows, by color graph, the distribution of a given album in the shuffle: (Pictures are a 60x60 grid=3600 songs. Images doubled in size so you could see the red dots.) What I'm interested in seeing is... in a truly random shuffle, how often the second thing actually should happen. Not just what we think we perceive if we happen to hear three Madonna songs on the same trip. From FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 14 15:15:00 2003 From: FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (FerretBoy@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sat Jun 14 22:01:50 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: So FerretBoy, what you're saying is that the program is only reporting numbers of individual close pairs, rather than clustered groupsYeah, but with such a small number of pairs (80 or so) you have to think there's not much clustering, which was what I felt the program was revealing. However, the modifications I have in mind will point out exactly what you want, though I hadn't thought of putting a graph in the program. I might do it, depending on how bored I get at work. From tfabris at jps.net Sat Jun 14 15:31:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Sat Jun 14 22:01:57 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: Anybody have any other information they'd like to see? How about this... Allow the user to set the total number of songs on the player (default about 3600), how many songs per album (default about 12), and how many albums per band (default about 4). Then, graph the results, allowing you to quickly scroll through a list of band1, band2, band3, etc., and as you scroll, show the dots on the graph. Each album within a band could be a different color, so you could see if there's any clustering effect of band X along with the album effect. You could also scroll through individual albums (band 7, album 3) and show only that album on the graph, like in my illustration. Then we'd have a very clear picture of just how clustered a truly random distribution should look. From peter at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 14 15:38:00 2003 From: peter at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (peter@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sat Jun 14 22:02:03 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: A Lift from Cambridge to Amersfoort? Message-ID: "Heathrow express"... $87.00. I'm not sure what this is. I assume this is getting from the airport to our hotel or something. I dunno, I have to ask the agent.The Heathrow Express runs from Heathrow airport to Paddington Station in central London. Tickets cost £13 each one-way. If your hotel is near a Tube (underground) station, then it's easiest to get there by Tube. Otherwise, you might as well get a taxi from Paddington. You can alternatively get from Heathrow to the centre more cheaply on Tube alone, but it's a much longer, noisier journey (60 minutes not 15). On the other hand, your other post says you fly in to Gatwick, London's other airport. Which is it? Plenty of trains run from Gatwick into London (to Victoria or King's Cross Thameslink stations), for about the same price. (Except, by the sound of things, between about 0130 and 0530). The "Gatwick Express" is non-stop to Victoria, but it's probably more expensive than normal train services and not a huge amount faster. Again, once at any main London railway station, getting to anywhere else in London is dead easy on the Tube. "Britrail Days Out Pass 2 days within 8 days"... $209.00. I believe what the agent did is quoted some kind of a bulk pass on the rail system that we could use any time, rather than just a one-way point-to-point ticket to Cambridge. I think it's because she wasn't certain when exactly we were going to Cambridge.Sounds that way. Considering that, by the time you get here, you will in fact know exactly what you're doing, it should be way cheaper to get the exact tickets, even if you buy them at the station on the day. Trains from London to Cambridge leave from King's Cross station, which once more you can get to from anywhere else by Tube. "Eurail Selectpass 5 days within 2 months"... $760.00. I think this might be a similar thing to get us between Amersfoort and Germany, and within Germany for the week we'll be there.I don't know anything about Europe rail travel. Rob? Peter From tfabris at jps.net Sat Jun 14 15:46:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Sat Jun 14 22:02:10 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: A Lift from Cambridge to Amersfoort? Message-ID: On the other hand, your other post says you fly in to Gatwick, London's other airport. That's a very good question. If the travel agent knew we were flying into Gatwick, why would she look up train fares from Heathrow? I'm going to corner her on that. Thanks for pointing it out. You can alternatively get from Heathrow to the centre more cheaply on Tube alone, but it's a much longer, noisier journey (60 minutes not 15). Thanks for pointing this out. I think a short ride to the hotel is much preferred. :-) Thanks, also, for the link to TheTube.com. I anticipate we're going to be using it to get around while we're in London. From ithoughti at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 14 15:59:00 2003 From: ithoughti at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (ithoughti@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sat Jun 14 22:02:16 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: A Lift from Cambridge to Amersfoort? Message-ID: After the meet, then we'll do Germany the following week. I don't know if you've been to Germany before, but if you get to Munich, you _have_ to go to the Deutsches Museum The absolute coolest museum that I have ever been to. Give yourself at least full day to go through it. edit: just thought that I would tell you that I was freekin' blown away by the Bridge Building exhibit . The models of the bridges are amazing. From tfabris at jps.net Sat Jun 14 16:08:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Sat Jun 14 22:02:24 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: A Lift from Cambridge to Amersfoort? Message-ID: Thanks, we'll definitely take that into account when deciding what to do. We're also told that a boat trip up the Rhine is great, too. I wanna see some real castles. :-) From FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 14 16:37:00 2003 From: FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (FerretBoy@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sat Jun 14 22:02:31 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: You got it. Everyone is out from my office next week (getting new work from the client) and all I have to do is answer help calls. At least now I'll get to do some interesting coding! From elvis at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 14 16:40:00 2003 From: elvis at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (elvis@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sat Jun 14 22:02:38 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Is it too late for my 30GB? Message-ID: I put a new IDE cable in. All is well with the world. From tfabris at jps.net Sat Jun 14 16:43:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Sat Jun 14 22:02:45 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: Cool. :-) From yn0t_ at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 14 16:47:00 2003 From: yn0t_ at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (yn0t_@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sat Jun 14 22:02:51 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: I'm sorry if I offend anyone here, but this whole exercise is getting a little ridiculous. The empeg guys have said that their shuffle algorithm is random, even after repeated accusations of bugs and inaccuracies in it. What are you trying to prove with all this hocus pocus you're doing with random number generation and plotting things on graphs and such? What is the end game if you get results that say "the shuffle algorithm isn't as random as it should be." Are you asking them to take yet another look at the code? Do you want to implement some de-combing of related songs after the shuffle is done? I'm not sure I understand the point here. This Delphi program and all the postulates and the hypotheses... What are we after here? From tfabris at jps.net Sat Jun 14 16:53:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Sat Jun 14 22:02:58 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: What is the end game if you get results that say "the shuffle algorithm isn't as random as it should be." Actually, I'm expecting the end game to be "the empeg guys have been right all along, the clustering effects we are noticing are to be statistically expected". If that's the case, I intend to make a FAQ entry to that effect and link the EXE file as proof for anyone who doesn't believe it. From FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 14 17:57:00 2003 From: FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (FerretBoy@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sat Jun 14 22:03:04 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: I'm not sure I understand the point here. This Delphi program and all the postulates and the hypotheses... What are we after here?My point was to prove the empeg guys right. I'd like to put to bed all of these questions if possible. I was suprised with the outcome of the program (feeling that there were far less "pairs" that I would have expected), but what it was testing wasn't entirely on target. If the analysis Tony F has suggested comes out with "combing", then no one can argue that the Empeg randomizer is bad. If it doesn't, we have further research to do. In the end, I hope we can make this the last discussion on the subject. From FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 14 18:40:00 2003 From: FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (FerretBoy@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sat Jun 14 22:03:10 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: In-laws visiting this weekend, so I decided to give this a first hack. Haven't really looked at the results, so you can decide what it all means. From tfabris at jps.net Sat Jun 14 18:50:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Sat Jun 14 22:03:16 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: Cool and interesting! I'm not quite sure how the size of the window relates to the graph. If I change the size of the window, the way the graphed data is laid out changes in ways I don't understand. Can you explain it? From tfabris at jps.net Sat Jun 14 18:59:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Sat Jun 14 22:03:24 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: If this is showing me what I think it's showing me, then I believe that the things I perceive as "combed clusters" come up relatively commonly. Example: From tfabris at jps.net Sat Jun 14 19:07:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Sat Jun 14 22:03:32 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: A Lift from Cambridge to Amersfoort? Message-ID: Cool, thanks! From FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 14 19:27:00 2003 From: FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (FerretBoy@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sat Jun 14 22:03:39 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: I'm not quite sure how the size of the window relates to the graph.The width of the blocks are always the same. When you resize the graph, it refigures how many blocks fit on a line, and therefore how to space the lines. So more tracks = more lines = less space between lines. Bigger window = more tracks per line = less lines = more space between lines. Does that help? From tfabris at jps.net Sat Jun 14 19:33:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Sat Jun 14 22:03:46 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: Yes, it helps. But it makes the graph not very clear, because that means that a large window with only a few lines makes it look like everything is clustered funny. For instance, if there are only ten lines of actual track data, but the window is 50 lines tall, it looks like the tracks are horribly clustered when they really aren't. Maybe the graph should be a fixed height depending on the number of lines, and let the user change the graph's width by changing the window size. If the graph is too big to fit in the window, put a scroll bar or something. From FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 14 21:58:00 2003 From: FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (FerretBoy@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sat Jun 14 22:03:52 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: I'll see what I can do. The vertical axis shouldn't really be taken into account at all when looking for clustering (and isn't in your above picture), but I understand how it can mess with your perceptions. From oliver at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 14 18:58:00 2003 From: oliver at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (oliver@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sat Jun 14 22:03:59 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: A Lift from Cambridge to Amersfoort? Message-ID: See if you can get tickets for the London Eye while you’re around London. Its well worth the money, I think it’s the highest thing in London, and you can see the whole city, and surrounding country. Plus I’m sure your daughter would love it From lockuplever at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 14 22:16:00 2003 From: lockuplever at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (lockuplever@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sat Jun 14 22:04:05 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: This year's Northern California Meet thread Message-ID: Although I've been to the bay area a hundred times, I've never been to Monterey. How far is it from the San Jose airport? From d33zY at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 14 22:24:00 2003 From: d33zY at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (d33zY@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sat Jun 14 22:04:12 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: I saw on tv once about this guy that wrote a program that could figure out a random number generator's algorithm by punching in numbers that it produces and predicting the next numbers. He went to Atlantic City and won the jackpot on some game. Does anyone want to help me write a program like this? From ricin at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 14 22:27:00 2003 From: ricin at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (ricin@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sat Jun 14 22:04:18 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: This year's Northern California Meet thread Message-ID: About 75 miles to Cannery Row. Oh, and I'm in as well. From FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 14 23:09:00 2003 From: FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (FerretBoy@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sat Jun 14 22:04:24 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: I had a guy in college who wanted me to write a program to generate lottory picks for him, but he wanted me to make it get rid of the "obvious things that won't come up", such as "1, 2, 3, 4, 5". I told him that was silly, as 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 had the same probability as any other numbers. He just wouldn't listen to me. Finally I took his criteria and wrote him a program that generated the numbers, completely ignorning his "rules". I figured if 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ever came out I could fix the program then. From hussein at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sat Jun 14 23:28:00 2003 From: hussein at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (hussein@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sat Jun 14 22:04:31 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Updating to version 2.0 Message-ID: Can you update the Empeg with only a USB connection? The release notes say you have to do it with a serial cable. Heavens only knows where that serial cable is nowadays. Also, should I back up all my music on the device before upgrading? From tfabris at jps.net Sat Jun 14 23:42:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Sat Jun 14 22:04:37 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Updating to version 2.0 Message-ID: Can you update the Empeg with only a USB connection? The release notes say you have to do it with a serial cable. Heavens only knows where that serial cable is nowadays. A serial cable is required. There is no way to upgrade with USB. Also, should I back up all my music on the device before upgrading? No, shouldn't be necessary. From tfabris at jps.net Sat Jun 14 23:44:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Sat Jun 14 22:04:45 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: I figured if 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ever came out I could fix the program then. Heh. :-) From tfabris at jps.net Sat Jun 14 23:51:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Sat Jun 14 22:04:53 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: I saw on tv once about this guy that wrote a program that could figure out a random number generator's algorithm by punching in numbers that it produces and predicting the next numbers. He went to Atlantic City and won the jackpot on some game. This only works with pseudo-random generators. In order for this to have worked for a gambling machine, he'd have to have been (a) playing on a really old machine that used pseudo-random numbers, since all of the new ones use proper random algorithms, and (b) be intimately familiar with the inner code and hardware of the game in question, since the output of a pseudo-random generator is very hardware and code dependent. I seem to recall reading something about this in the documents at http://www.wizardofodds.com , but I don't remember exactly where it was. That's a great site, by the way, if you're interested in infor mation about randomness and probability. I was tempted to consult this guy when we started talking about the car player's shuffle accuracy, but FerretBoy seems to have us covered already. :-) From rompel at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 15 00:00:00 2003 From: rompel at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (rompel@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sat Jun 14 22:05:00 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: Certain pseudorandom number generators (e.g. linear congruential generators) can be reverse-engineered from their output. And for any generator with a small enough seed-space, if you know the generator used you can exhaustively search for the seed which produces the known output. On the other hand, there was a lot of work done on cryptographic generators which are provably as unpredictable as the underlying cipher is uncrackable. And various hardware generators have been proposed whose randomness is guaranteed by quantum mechanics. If I were designing something where real money was riding on the outcome being unpredictable, I'd go for something along those lines. But for shuffling music, a decent LCG properly used really ought to be good enough. --John From loren at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 15 01:03:00 2003 From: loren at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (loren@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sat Jun 14 22:05:06 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: okay, please excuse my blindness if this has been discussed before (esp. in this thread!), but here's how i'm percieving this whole thing: 1. "People" don't like how the empeg shuffles as it seems to group songs in ways that don't seem "random" enough. 2. In fact, they are truly random, and the grouping is to be expected. And that is what this program is trying to prove. SO... the question i want to know the answer to, is why would we want a truly random shuffle? Don't we want it to be psuedo-random so that groups and clusters of bands or albums are filtered out, thus making it seem "random"? From tfabris at jps.net Sun Jun 15 01:20:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Sat Jun 14 22:05:13 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: Yeah, I think that comes under the heading of "wouldn't it be cool if..." I can think of some ways one might write an algorithm to make something appear more random than truly random, but they all have nasty "gotchas". Like, choosing the lesser of two evils when you've got too much of a given artist on the player: this conflicts with your ability to make other bands appear widely spaced. You end up getting forced to choose who gets a lot of twofers showing up in the shuffle. Maybe others have already solved this algorithm in cool ways. Perhaps there's some prior art on this that can be referenced... From SE_Sport_Driver at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 15 01:41:00 2003 From: SE_Sport_Driver at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (SE_Sport_Driver@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sat Jun 14 22:05:19 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: http and Mark's docking stations Message-ID: In reply to:Also, the first few (10 or 20) insertions may be necessary to "break in" the ethernet connection Mark, I just wanted to pop in and say that everything is fine now. :-) Didn't want to scare anyone away. From genixia at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 15 02:53:00 2003 From: genixia at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (genixia@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 15 22:00:28 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: SO... the question i want to know the answer to, is why would we want a truly random shuffle? Don't we want it to be psuedo-random so that groups and clusters of bands or albums are filtered out, thus making it seem "random"? Hmm. Care to come up with an algorithm for that?! From rompel at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 15 03:11:00 2003 From: rompel at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (rompel@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 15 22:00:40 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: Maybe others have already solved this algorithm in cool ways. Perhaps there's some prior art on this that can be referenced... People have done work on something called "quasi-random" sampling in the context of Monte-Carlo integration. The idea is that the integral should converge faster if the sample points are spread out more evenly than would happen by random. Numerical Recipies has a section on the subject or try the following Google searches: http://www.google.com/search?q=quasi-random http://www.google.com/search?q=sobol+sequence http://www.google.com/search?q=halton+sequence It doesn't really deal with random permutations, but I suspect that if you did a 2d quasi-random sequence and looked at the x-rank vs. the y-rank you'd get something interesting. --John From peter at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 15 06:19:00 2003 From: peter at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (peter@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 15 22:00:51 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: A Lift from Cambridge to Amersfoort? Message-ID: the highest thing in LondonAccording to the rather twee "in-flight entertainment" video on the Heathrow Express last weekend, it's the fourth highest thing in London after the first Canary Wharf tower, the Post Office tower, and Tower 22 (where's that?). And I think that was before the subsequent towers were built at Canary Wharf. But none of those objects are frickin' gigantic Ferris wheels, so the Eye is still very cool. Peter From cookie_ARM at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 15 07:54:00 2003 From: cookie_ARM at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (cookie_ARM@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 15 22:00:59 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: fan install Message-ID: Just to let you know i have just ordered a 40mm fan from the site that "msaeger" listed so will let you know what i tink of when it arrives. C. From pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 15 08:50:00 2003 From: pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (pgrzelak@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 15 22:01:06 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: http and Mark's docking stations Message-ID: Greetings! It is just a very close tolerance thing. I have that problem with one specific player, where it will not fully connect with the ethernet. In a dark enough environment, you can see (or not see, in this case) the blue ethernet link light through the right side vent holes in the player and dock. I had always assumed it was because I have the digital out connections installed, making the tolerances a little closer. Pressing the player on the right side is enough for it to establish link. I may open up a dock, and see if I can adjust this. From Satan_X at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 15 12:01:00 2003 From: Satan_X at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Satan_X@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 15 22:01:12 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Fight Night: My Empeg vs. Emplode vs Jemplode Message-ID: Ok, for a little while now, My Empeg and Emplode have not been getting along to well. All emplode will let me do is create playlists. No file copies, no m3u uploads. I accepted it as a little lovers spat and moved on. My empeg always seemed a little more lovin' twords Jemplode. Then it got weirder. Jemplode stopped letting me make playlists. I can copy files and m3u uploads, but no creation of playlists. After a few weeks I got sick of having to use 2 different apps back and forth to get anything done, so I did what any tech person would do. I formated the PC and started fresh. Same MF problem came back. I accepted my fate and continued on.........till last night. When I'm trying to import files in Jemplode, I'm getting a 'java.lang.OutOfMemoryError'. I've reinstalled emplode and Jemplode about 5 times. God hates me. Versions: EMPEG -< v2.00 final PC -< Windows XP SP1 Emplode v2.00 final Jemplode v45 (I cant figure out why I have ver 45, I thought that v44 was the last release but apparently my net connection violates time and space.) All misspellings are my own and intentional. No corrections please. From davec at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 15 13:00:00 2003 From: davec at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (davec@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 15 22:01:19 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Texas Meet Reminder Message-ID: Just a reminder of the informal Texas Meet on June 21, at the Oasis restaurant on Lake Travis in Austin. We are meeting at around 11AM in the parking lot across the street from the restaurant. A map is available on the website linked above. I will be there early so look for the black Dodge RAM, can't miss it... Looking forward to meeting up with some of you! From TheAmigo at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 15 16:06:00 2003 From: TheAmigo at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (TheAmigo@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 15 22:01:28 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: BBS and riocar.org suggestion Message-ID: I'm a bit of a stickler for organization... I wanted to upload the font I just did, but don't know which category to put it in. While you're organizing, can you make a folder for fonts (or something else that would encompass fonts)? From TheAmigo at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 15 16:01:00 2003 From: TheAmigo at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (TheAmigo@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 15 22:01:36 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Cyrillic font v1.0 (small < medium only) Message-ID: Thanks to Mourgoyiannis Spiros for writing the font editor! I've finished the first version of a cyrillic font for the empeg. It's got upper case and lower case for the medium font. I'm still undecided if I want to bother making lowercase different for the small font (for now, lowercase is pretty much a copy of uppercase). Any comments/suggestions/artistic talen are welcome. From FireFox31 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 15 17:42:00 2003 From: FireFox31 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (FireFox31@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 15 22:01:43 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: 80GB drives - BULK revisited Message-ID: Thanks for the info everyone. I can't wait to get an 80. Maybe I'll go 100% WAV on my player until I get more CDs. Hm..... From tman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 15 17:46:00 2003 From: tman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (tman@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 15 22:01:49 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: 80GB drives - BULK revisited Message-ID: Depend on how soon we'll get a v3.0 software release, you could go FLAC... - Trevor From Derek at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 15 19:40:00 2003 From: Derek at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Derek Ward) Date: Sun Jun 15 22:01:56 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Flakey volume control Message-ID: Mike has debounce software in there, and it does work reasonably well. My knob has also got worse and worse over time. The shaft has become quite sloppy in the housing and you can change its behaviour by adding a little sideways pressure to the knob/shaft (I have a mk 2, not a 2a). I have an originaly replacement pot., but I am considering fitting a mk 2a unit as the quality is supposed to be much better. The only problem there is that the original is surface mount and the mk 2a unit is thru hole. In my case software is no use at all, it is definitely a hardware problem, and I think some of you may be starting to see the same problem too. Cheers Derek From ashmoore at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 15 19:40:00 2003 From: ashmoore at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (ashmoore@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 15 22:02:03 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Texas Meet Reminder Message-ID: I'll be there :-D From nospam at focus.demon.co.uk Sun Jun 15 19:50:00 2003 From: nospam at focus.demon.co.uk (Andy Norman) Date: Sun Jun 15 22:02:11 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: A Lift from Cambridge to Amersfoort? Message-ID: Tower 22 That is the one that used to be called the Natwest tower. From Chris65 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 15 19:54:00 2003 From: Chris65 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Chris65@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 15 22:02:19 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Texas Meet Reminder Message-ID: I have a wedding to go to at the same time. How long will you be there? BTW - I have an unused 12GB player for sale. If I get the chance to drop by I'll bring it. From jwickis at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Sun Jun 15 23:55:00 2003 From: jwickis at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (jwickis@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Sun Jun 15 22:02:26 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Flakey volume control Message-ID: > Does anyone know what the innards of the empeg's rotary encoder are like? Not sure about the players exact makeup, but plan to soon for mine is getting very erratic as well. Most are either a metal slider contacting a graphite base or all metal contacts with some grease. From what I've noticed taking things apart over the years is a paste is formed between the contacts and your alcohol removed this. The noise comes from signal making small arcs from searching for a contact path. From laura927 at one.net Mon Jun 16 00:38:00 2003 From: laura927 at one.net (Laura White) Date: Sun Jun 15 22:02:34 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Cincinnati Meet - Vote for the date Message-ID: The sign up sheet will be up soon. If there are any other couples coming they can have the 2 remaining couples cabins. From tfabris at jps.net Mon Jun 16 00:48:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Sun Jun 15 22:02:41 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Fight Night: My Empeg vs. Emplode vs Jemplode Message-ID: When you say "it won't let me create playlists" or "it won't let me add files", can you give exact details of what you are trying to create, what you are clicking on and typing to do this, and exactly what error it says on the screen? From tfabris at jps.net Mon Jun 16 00:54:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Sun Jun 15 22:02:48 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: A Lift from Cambridge to Amersfoort? Message-ID: So Patrick, thanks for offering the ride! I haven't heard back from you though... Is Friday morning OK or should we change our plans? Also, I still haven't heard how most of the Cambridge people are traveling to Amersfoort. I don't know how you guys usually do it? Our travel agent tells us that the Chunnel is trains-only, not cars. Is that true? I could have sworn that some people said they were driving to Amersfoort, so I have to assume that there's a way to get there by car. Is there a ferry, and if so, what are the departure and arrival points? If we're all by ourselves, we'd like to avoid France if possible. I don't savor the idea of changing trains in France after going through the Chunnel. But if we were traveling with someone who's done it before, then it wouldn't be a problem. From tfabris at jps.net Mon Jun 16 00:57:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Sun Jun 15 22:02:55 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Flakey volume control Message-ID: Derek and Jwickis, thanks for this information. It's very enlightenting. From jimhogan at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 16 02:59:00 2003 From: jimhogan at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (jimhogan@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:00:15 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: A Lift from Cambridge to Amersfoort? Message-ID: I can't speak to anyone's specific plans, but.... > Our travel agent tells us that the Chunnel is trains-only, Other trains use the Eurotunnel/Chunnel including car-carrying shuttle trains. Your agent may have formed an opinion based on what they are able to book. > ... Is there a ferry, and if so, what are the departure and arrival points? This booking site has a nice drop-down list of ferry routes... No idea about their other qualities as I've never used them. I *do* vote for a nice slow ferry crossing at least once. Summer time, shouldn't be too rocky, not really that slow (1.5 hours Dover Calais, IIRC) > If we're all by ourselves, we'd like to avoid France if possible. I don't savor the idea of changing trains in France after going through the Chunnel. But if we were traveling with someone who's done it before, then it wouldn't be a problem. Trying to avoid the occasional French strike, are we?? Well, FWIW, you could get to Amersfoort from London by train without putting your foot on French soil, but you'd still have to see a small bit of French territory. You can get a Eurostar from London/Waterloo to Brussels, then change to the Thalys to Amsterdam/Schilpol, then change to Amersfoort. The Bahn's schedule site will let you look at your options (but won't give pricing for many cross-system bookings). >From a cost perspective, you are in a tougher spot since British Rail isn't an option in many (all?) of the multi-country rail passes, so the idea of getting a 3-country "select" pass is less useful if your itinerary plan is UK/Netherlands/Germany. My memory is that Eurostar tickets were extra-expensive when I booked them on day of departure, and, if your schedule firms up, you might save a bit by booking before you leave. If your agent doesn't seem up to speed on rail ticketing, I can say that I gave had decent experience with Rail Europe over the phone for complicated tickets. The Rick Steves site also showed some sorts of sales omnpasses, so you might take a gander there. Do I take it you might think about getting a car and driving from England? (just wondering about dragging a RHD car around in LHD countries and whether an agency would even let you drop it without charging big bucks...) From tfabris at jps.net Mon Jun 16 03:06:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:00:29 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: A Lift from Cambridge to Amersfoort? Message-ID: Thanks, Jim. That was a very informative post. I'm printing it to have with me the next time I talk to the travel agent. :-) From peter at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 16 05:03:00 2003 From: peter at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (peter@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:00:41 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: A Lift from Cambridge to Amersfoort? Message-ID: Also, I still haven't heard how most of the Cambridge people are traveling to Amersfoort. I don't know how you guys usually do it?Planet Empeg will be driving from Cambridge to Harwich (about 70 miles), getting the fast (3.5h) ferry to Hook of Holland, and driving from Hook (Hoek) to Amersfoort (70 more miles). I'm not sure who from Empeg is driving -- I've not been following the discussions as I can't make it this year. Because Cambridge to Harwich is transverse, and all the railways in these parts run radial from London, it's virtually as hard to get to Harwich by train as it is to get to Amersfoort itself via Calais. Or you could fly Stansted-Amsterdam, but all in all your best bet, as you said from the word go, is "A Lift from Cambridge to Amersfoort". Peter From somewhereth at sflat Mon Jun 16 05:12:00 2003 From: somewhereth at sflat (Rob Schofield) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:00:52 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: A Lift from Cambridge to Amersfoort? Message-ID: As far as I know, all the empeg'ers are coming by car, on the Harwich - Hoek van Holland High speed catermeran (excellent boat - 4 Jumbo jet engines!!). The Chunnel is all trains, but the trains carry cars/trucks, or carry express passenger trains. The freight trains are seperate from passenger. If you want to catch the car train, you drive from London to Folkstone, then drive onto the train with your car, wait 30 mins, and drive off into France on the other side. You then have a 3.5 hour drive at reasonable speeds to get to Amersfoort. If you want to do this, mail me for instructions on the route. This is not a cheap option as you'd have to hire a car for European travel - not cheap. In fact, b***** expensive. If you want to get a foot passenger train, then you will need to get a Eurostar express from Waterloo in London. This gets you to Brussels in Belgium (2.5 hours), where you then have to change onto a NS International train to get to Amsterdam via Rotterdam (about 5 hours). Although this is a pretty good, comfortable journey, it is a LONG one. You would still have to get a train to Amersfoort from Amsterdam. If you are based in London, then I would suggest buying a set of Underground (Tube) travel passes for the time you are there, and use it in preference to taxis to reduce costs. It also allows you rapid travel between all the major railways stations to allow you to get out to Cambridge or Brussels. I would avoid getting a Eurorail pass unless you specifically want to use the trains as your primary transport during the time you're over here. It's the sort of thing I'd buy if I wanted to spend about 2 months touring Europe by train, but to get here cheaply I would not bother booking tickets in advance, and simply book them when you arrive in the UK, or when you get to NL. This would be cheaper, and I've never had a problem getting tickets. My feeling is, you should get the tube from your hotel on the Thursday, travel up to Cambridge on the train, stay over one night in a low-cost hotel, hitch a lift with the lads early Friday morning to Harwich and go with them on the Jet boat to NL. That way, you also get a chance to eat a green chicken Thai curry at the Wrestlers. In about 2 years time, you'll be able to catch a direct train Waterloo - Amsterdam on the Eurostar or Thalys TGV trains, about 6 hours duration. Now THAT would be worth getting up early for. From somewhereth at sflat Mon Jun 16 05:25:00 2003 From: somewhereth at sflat (Rob Schofield) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:01:03 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: A Lift from Cambridge to Amersfoort? Message-ID: You won't have time to travel to Cambridge on Friday morning, see the office and get to Harwich before the 10:40 AM boat. You will need to be in Harwich by around 9:30 AM, which means leaving Cambridge around 8 - 8:30 (rush hour). You will really need to be in Cambridge the night before, which means you will only be able to spend one+ day(s) in London. This ain't going to give you much time to see anything, so I would say you need to do some *serious* talking about what you want to see of London in one day - say two, or three major landmarks. Also, bear in mind travel times both around, and out of, London - you need to prepare beforehand to make sure you don't miss trains. If you arrive on the red-eye at Gatwick, you will probably be able to get to London by about 10 AM. You will be jet lagged, I suspect, and then have to start sight-seeing with a tired little daughter in what will for you be the middle of the night. You will have Wednesday PM (Tower Hill/Tower of London/Tower Bridge???), Wed eve (West end Show, if you can get tickets - then you have to go and see Piccadily and Leicester square - eat at Wong Kei's (Wonkys) Chinese and enjoy wonderful food but the Worst Restaurant Service In The Known Universe), Thursday AM Houses of Parliament/London Eye/Thames Cruise and then around 2 PM you'd need to be heading North for Cambridge. Tight! From somewhereth at sflat Mon Jun 16 05:27:00 2003 From: somewhereth at sflat (Rob Schofield) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:01:14 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: A Lift from Cambridge to Amersfoort? Message-ID: Err.... Mark, the event is on the Saturday.... From h_blake at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 16 07:07:00 2003 From: h_blake at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (h_blake@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:01:26 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: A Lift from Cambridge to Amersfoort? Message-ID: Sorry to join this late - I haven't looked at the bbs over the weekend. I'll be driving from Bedford via Cambridge on the Friday morning to catch the same HSS service as the empeg guys. I can give you a lift from Cambridge or Harwich or you could even crash in Bedford on the Thursday night. From Roger at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 16 08:02:00 2003 From: Roger at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Roger Lipscombe) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:01:37 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: A Lift from Cambridge to Amersfoort? Message-ID: > I'm not sure who from Empeg is driving The reason that none of us have piped up with an offer of a lift is that we're not gonna have much (any?) room: Hugo < Claire are going in Hugo's NSX (2 seater) Rob's taking Mark in his Supra (2 seater, effectively) I'm taking John G (and Patrick, IIRC) in my car, which _is_ 4 seater, but will already have 3 people in it. And I think that that's about it. There are other people coming over from the UK (e.g. Henrick), so you'll almost certainly be able to cadge a lift with them. From pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 16 08:13:00 2003 From: pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (pgrzelak@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:01:47 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: 80GB drives - BULK revisited Message-ID: Either way, you will have to expect that your drive will not sleep or spin down. The caching is not that helpful when you have to deal with a higher bandwidth file. From pca at empeg.com Mon Jun 16 10:09:00 2003 From: pca at empeg.com (pca@empeg.com) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:01:55 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: A Lift from Cambridge to Amersfoort? Message-ID: Sorry about ignoring you, I've just put in two 20-hour days in a row to finish a project before the deadline, and I didn't really have time to read the BBS ;-) I'm going up to Cambridge sometime on the 3rd, as the ferry leaves early in the morning on the 4th. I can certainly swing through London on the way, although this would best be done either late in the evening or around mid-day, to avoid the rush-several-hours. My car isn't huge, but it's large enough to carry four people and a bag each, as well as the stuff I'm taking to Amersfoort. Assuming you can get a lift over to Holland with Henrick or someone else, there should be no problem. If, on the other hand, no one has any room for everyone who wants to go, it would be possible to book a ticket and take my car over as well, which is what I was originally going to do before I was offered a lift. It would cost about £300, and we could split it :-) I'd have to know soon though. pca From davec at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 16 11:59:00 2003 From: davec at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (davec@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:02:02 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Texas Meet Reminder Message-ID: > How long will you be there? We are planning on lunch and hanging out for awhile. It's really informal so it's hard to tell how long we'll be there. Of course we could crash the wedding reception and make it an empeg wedding... :-D If you're really interested in trying to make it let me know and I'll PM my cell phone # to you and you can call and see if we're still around there. From mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 16 12:37:00 2003 From: mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mlord@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:02:09 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: http and Mark's docking stations Message-ID: Well, the ethernet connection should not be giving anyone grief, but.. you can open the dock and just pull out a millimetre or two of additional cable, so that the RJ45 plug sticks out a wee bit more. Cheers From FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 16 13:01:00 2003 From: FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (FerretBoy@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:02:16 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: Ok Tony, here's a new version. It looks sort of like a disk-defragmenter, but I suppose that's going to be best for what you're trying to see. Anyhow, I've color-coded the albums (with up to 6 distinct colors) so you can see artist combs and album combs. To help the eye I wrote an "outline" around combed albums/ artists, which you can switch between the album and artist via a checkbox. I added "find album comb" and "find artist comb" buttons to find the artist/ album with the most combs (a comb defined as a “run of songs separated by no more than 10 other tracks”). The "find artist" button is now automatically called after pushing the "Go" button. I decided not to put a scroll bar in, but you can re-size the blocks to make them all visible with a zoom in and zoom out feature. Clearly, there is some combing in all random selections. What I'm not sure is if the amount of combing showing up in my program is the same as on the Empeg. It's hard to tell because ultimately we are perceiving this data in a different way than listening through the playlists. But here you have it anyway. From pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 16 13:33:00 2003 From: pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (pgrzelak@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:02:23 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: http and Mark's docking stations Message-ID: Oh, I intend to. One of these days... :-) From pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 16 14:09:00 2003 From: pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (pgrzelak@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:02:30 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Price/Parts Update! Message-ID: Greetings! A follow-up. I did not hear anything back from Noritake, so I got back in touch with the sales rep. He has been on the road, but gave me an alternative contact. I just wanted to get a reality check, since these units are too expensive for me to randomly buy and (possibly) get stuck with leftovers. Anyone interested in getting one of the mini-VFDs, model GW128x32C-K610A, knowing that they are tiny, send me email or a PM. I am looking at getting 20 units, but I just want to make certain there is interest to support this. Thanks! From oliver at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 16 14:15:00 2003 From: oliver at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (oliver@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:02:37 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Price/Parts Update! Message-ID: Do you have a link to the screen? Maybe a guess as to how much they will be? I maybe be interested in getting one. From pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 16 14:23:00 2003 From: pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (pgrzelak@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:02:44 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Price/Parts Update! Message-ID: Greetings! The estimate, based on 20 units, would be about $105. As to the dimensions, I think they are in this thread. There is very little documentation (that I am aware of) for this model on the web. From tfabris at jps.net Mon Jun 16 14:26:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:02:51 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: A Lift from Cambridge to Amersfoort? Message-ID: I'm going up to Cambridge sometime on the 3rd, as the ferry leaves early in the morning on the 4th. I can certainly swing through London on the way, although this would best be done either late in the evening or around mid-day, to avoid the rush-several-hours. My car isn't huge, but it's large enough to carry four people and a bag each, as well as the stuff I'm taking to Amersfoort. Thank you, Patrick! I will take you up on this offer. I realize now (from what everyone else just said) that my plan for going to Cambridge on Friday morning was foolhardy, and I agree that we should be going on Thursday night. It's OK that we only get a day in London. Truth is that Jenny doesn't like big cities (we're hoping to book time in a much more rural part of Germany the following week) and will be pleased to know that we're spending one less day in London. It's a bit of a compromise... I want to see London and wouldn't mind a few days there, but Jenny would be happiest with zero days. So we're meeting in the middle. Patrick, please PM me with your contact details so that I can call you when we're in London and we can coordinate where and when to meet for the ride. What I figure we'll do is leave our bags at the hotel desk after we check out Thursday morning, then go mess around the first part of the day Thursday. Then meet you back at the hotel, grab the bags, and catch the ride to Cambridge. :-) From tfabris at jps.net Mon Jun 16 14:34:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:02:58 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: A Lift from Cambridge to Amersfoort? Message-ID: I'll be driving from Bedford via Cambridge on the Friday morning to catch the same HSS service as the empeg guys. I can give you a lift from Cambridge or Harwich ... Deal! Thank you! I assume this means that you've got room for three others in your car, and that the car in question is riding the boat to Holland? In that case, we'll catch the ride from London to Cambridge with Patrick, and the ride from Cambridge to the ferry and Amersfoort with you. If that's cool, please PM me with private contact details. By the way, do the ferrys charge by person or by car? We'll pay our way whichever it is, but I was just curious. Thanks again! From tfabris at jps.net Mon Jun 16 14:38:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:03:05 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: A Lift from Cambridge to Amersfoort? Message-ID: Rob, thanks very much for the detailed information about the ferry and about the travel timing. This helps immensely. I agree that it doesn't give us much time to see London, and that we'll be jet lagged. But your suggestions are good ones. We probably won't be doing all that much in London, but I'll use your list as a guideline. Thanks again, everyone, for all the great help and suggestions! Can't wait to meet everyone. From tfabris at jps.net Mon Jun 16 14:55:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:03:14 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: WOW that is so perfect. And yeah, from the looks of the output, it's normal to see clustering. I will be doing the FAQ entry and linking this file when I get a moment today. Busy day for me... From FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 16 15:13:00 2003 From: FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (FerretBoy@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:03:22 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: WOW that is so perfect. :-) Glad you like it. This is probably the most coding I’ve done in the last two weeks. I actually started feeling productive!I will be doing the FAQ entry and linking this file when I get a moment today.My program in the FAQ? I feel so . . . honored! Truly I'm glad to have finally done something "useful" here, though I have a feeling this won't end all discussions. As I said, it's still hard to tell if the clustering is the same between my program and on the Empeg. I'm just glad I didn't end up proving the Emepg guys wrong, as I began to fear on Friday. From tfabris at jps.net Mon Jun 16 15:24:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:03:30 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: What the program shows me is that it's our perceptions that make it seems like we're getting clusters and/or combs of artists. When as few as three songs by the same artist or the same album come close enough together, we start thinking "Jeez, this player is playing nothing but Metallica today!". But what this graph shows is that it's not only expected, but it's actually common for clusters of artists and even albums to appear. And when you see the boxed clusters on the screen (nicely done, by the way), you can see that it's just a brief concentration that's not much different than the other songs in the shuffle. The only reason we all keep thinking it's something wrong with the shuffle is because the empeg is the first player we've owned that lets us hear this many different artists in one place. So we just assume that having that many artists means we won't hear the same artist close together. But when you look at the distribution graph, we see it's still inevitable. Too cool. Great work, thank you SO much! From Meatballman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 16 15:27:00 2003 From: Meatballman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Meatballman@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:03:38 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: <-- bends over and waits for the obligatory "I told you so" from team empeg :-) From tfabris at jps.net Mon Jun 16 15:32:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:03:46 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: Quick question... In the program, what's the criteria for it considering something to be a cluster? (And I wonder if the wording in the program should be called "cluster" instead of "comb" but that's not important really.) It seems to consider any group of songs that is more than two to be a cluster (which is reasonable), but what's the distance-between-songs criteria? It seems like you've chosen a reasonable criteria for this (it seems like I'd perceive the songs to be too close together based on the boxes you've drawn), I'm just wondering what that criteria is. From tfabris at jps.net Mon Jun 16 15:34:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:03:53 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: bends over and waits for the obligatory "I told you so" from team empeg Yeah, agreed. Sorry I ever doubted you guys. :-) From FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 16 15:44:00 2003 From: FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (FerretBoy@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:04:00 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: And when you see the boxed clusters on the screen (nicely done, by the way),Thanks. As with all good software features, I put this is because I was missing it. I’d already coded the “find the most clustered album” code and realized I was having trouble identifying the clusters.And I wonder if the wording in the program should be called "cluster" instead of "comb" but that's not important really.I can change it to whatever you like.It seems to consider any group of songs that is more than two to be a cluster.Correct. I thought about flagging “two-fers”, but decided against it.What's the distance-between-songs criteria?Ten songs max, though I could make this settable if you wanted. This seemed like a good number because it's sh orter than most album lengths, so I'd think it'd really stand out. From trs24 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 16 16:21:00 2003 From: trs24 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (trs24@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:04:07 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: OK, I don't want to start another tangent on the random fxnality, but... What I've noticed happening on my empeg in shuffle mode is not so much a clustering of a few songs by the same artist separated by some other songs, but rather a very distinct grouping of songs by artist (or songs just close together in my playlists) back to back. For example: Random song Random song Collective Soul song Collective Soul song Dave Matthews song Dave Matthews song Random song Tom Petty song Tom Petty song Random song Random song Random song ... This really does happen quite a bit (often enough that I find it hard to be coincidence) and I've talked with other empeg owners on this bbs who have experienced it, too. So, maybe this can still be explained with what you two have been analyzing, but I do find it odd. I really don't mind it, though. - trs From yn0t_ at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 16 16:24:00 2003 From: yn0t_ at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (yn0t_@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:04:14 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: I really wish the _empeg_ fellas would consider opening up just the shuffle algorithm's source code to put this issue to rest. That's obviously not something they can do, but it'd certainly save a lot of discussion on this very tired topic. From trs24 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 16 16:34:00 2003 From: trs24 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (trs24@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:04:21 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: it'd certainly save a lot of discussion on this very tired topic.Well, this is a discussion forum, after all. :-) I'm sure the randomization code is perfectly fine. And I have no qualms with the randomization of my playlists on the empeg. BUT, this is a distinct anomaly that not only I have noticed. Clustering is one thing - but back-to-back pairing of songs repeatedly over years of use is more than just a false perception on my part, I'm sure of it. I also stream my playlists randomly through winamp and have not noticed the back-to-back pairing happen at anywhere close to the same frequency. Anyway, it's just an anomaly I wanted to chime in with. - trs From wfaulk at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 16 16:39:00 2003 From: wfaulk at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (wfaulk@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:04:28 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: it'd certainly save a lot of discussion on this very tired topic.I don't mean to be a jerk, Tony, but if you don't like the topic of this thread, don't read it. From yn0t_ at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 16 16:59:00 2003 From: yn0t_ at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (yn0t_@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:04:35 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: 10-4. From FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 16 17:07:00 2003 From: FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (FerretBoy@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:04:42 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: I suppose my first question to you would have to be: how many albums do you have of Collective Soul, Dave Matthews, and Tom Petty? More albums means more of a chance of a back-to-back. Also, some "greatest hits" albums can be longer than others (IIRC, Tom Petty's Greatest Hits has far more than the 12 tracks Tony's been messing with). The other piece of information is how many total tracks are you shuffling when you get this behavior? Just plaything the program a bit I do notice quite a few back to backs, though this is generally with artists who have more than one album. If you weren't shuffling too many tracks (we've been talking around 3000) this would also change the test. You might just want to play around with it and try plugging in some numbers you think represent your data. Though back-to-backs don't get highlighted, they are still easy to see. Of course, the program doesn't show back-to-backs from multiple artists on the same grid but I still think you might be able to tell what kind of behavior is reasonable. As for me, I typically don’t see any of this behavior because of how I’ve structured my playlists. In fact, I hardly ever use “shuffling” at all. Instead I have a special playlist that picks a single song at random from 14 artists chosen at random, and then repeats the process a dozen times or so. This effectively circumvents the “clustering” and “back to back” behavior we’ve been talking about. From FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 16 17:13:00 2003 From: FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (FerretBoy@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:04:49 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: Seeing Bitt posting reminds me I should probably include a picture of what this looks like now for the non-windows folks. From rompel at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 16 17:21:00 2003 From: rompel at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (rompel@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:04:56 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: Clearly, there is some combing in all random selections. What I'm not sure is if the amount of combing showing up in my program is the same as on the Empeg. It's hard to tell because ultimately we are perceiving this data in a different way than listening through the playlists. But here you have it anyway. Not being content to judge things by eye, I have been running some statistics on actual Empeg generated shuffles. To accomplish this, I took a virgin Mk IIa and loaded 1000 short (200ms) songs into a single playlist. Setting notify=1 in the config file allowed me to capture the player-generated shuffles off the serial port. And a little scripting in minicom allowed me to put it in an unattended loop. I actually thought I had found some subtle, but statistically significant, anomalies based on a 30 shuffle sample. But when I tested them on a second 150 shuffle sample they disappeared. As much as I hate to admit it, I think what we have all seen is really just our human instinct to see patterns even if they aren't really there. --John From trs24 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 16 17:30:00 2003 From: trs24 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (trs24@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:05:06 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: Instead I have a special playlist that picks a single song at random from 14 artists chosen at random, and then repeats the process a dozen times or so.Wow - how the heck do you do that? - trs From FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 16 17:46:00 2003 From: FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (FerretBoy@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:05:14 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: Wow - how the heck do you do that?It’s been discussed before and it takes a little bit of time to set up, bet here’s how I’ve got mine set up: -First you create your "weighted shuffle" playlist and create a single playlist underneath it that has “select X tracks” checked and set to 14 (or whatever number you like. 14 tends to be a solid hour if you don’t skip any songs). -Copy and paste the new playlist into the “weighted shuffle” playlist a dozen or so times so that it’s repeated about a dozen times. -Now under the new playlist you just copied create a separate playlist for each artist you like. -For each artist set the “select 1 track” option so that for each artist that’s selected you’ll only get 1 track at random -Copy the songs you like into each of the appropriate artist playlists. You can optionally make certain songs come up more often by using similar techniques with sub-playlists at this point. This has the effect of selecting around a hundred and fifty relatively equally weighted songs. Sometimes you do get two songs by the same artist close together (like the end of one set of 14 and the beginning of the next set), but the more artists you have the more rare this becomes. Even when it does happen, I generally find it’s not undesirable and you don’t here the same artist for at least another 14 songs. There actually is a way to take this to another level of ridiculousness so as to NEVER get songs by the same artist close together (by making yet another sub level with half of the artists in each) but I’ve found the method outlined above works just fine. Other people I believe simply create on list with every artist set to select one song per artist, but my method feels more like a “radio station” to me so that’s what I do. From trs24 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 16 18:01:00 2003 From: trs24 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (trs24@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:05:22 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: Wow! Thanks for the tip! - trs From tfabris at jps.net Mon Jun 16 18:12:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:05:30 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: Random song Random song Collective Soul song Collective Soul song Dave Matthews song Dave Matthews song Random song Tom Petty song Tom Petty song Random song Random song Random song ... This really does happen quite a bit Yup, and if you look at the output of FerretBoy's program, you can see why this is normal and common in a truly random shuffle. It's all about perception. I was (as you are) perceiving that this is unusual because you're sitting there, in "the moment", hearing two Tom Petty songs in a row. Or three in a group of ten, or whatever. And you're thinking to yourself that's gotta be a mistake. Because all you're hearing is "that moment", that short period of, say, ten songs, while you drive to work. So any statistical clustering is going to sound like a mistake. But what you're not seeing (and what FerretBoy's program clearly shows) is where all the other Tom Petty songs are in the shuffle. And how they releate to all the other songs on the player. And once you see it in that light, suddenly some statistical clustering makes perfect sense in a random sample of that size with the artist/album criteria which makes you consider something a cluster. See, in order to hear and perceive the true distribution of an artist or an album in the shuffle, you have to listen to the whole shuffle. And with thousands of songs, that would take days. No one ever listens to their player for days at one sitting. You listen to it in short groups, as you're driving, or working. And your perception is colored by that sub-segment of the larger statistical sample. From trs24 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 16 18:27:00 2003 From: trs24 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (trs24@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:05:39 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: Yeah - I suppose you're right... I just wanted to go on thinking my peg was haunted. :-) From wfaulk at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 16 18:33:00 2003 From: wfaulk at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (wfaulk@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:05:47 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: there is no true random number generatorRadioactive decay works pretty well. All this aside, explaining why an annoying thing happens makes it no (or very little) less annoying. It would be nice if a randomization algorithm could be implemented that minimized this sort of thing. Since the empeg is playing each song only once, though, that becomes harder and harder the further you get into the playlist. So maybe trying to do it would make the shuffle seem less repetitive toward the beginning; few people probably listen to a whole-empeg shuffle all the way through, anyway. (The simple solution I see is to generate a random number modulo the number of songs, discard any number less than, say, 40, and use that as an offset from the currently playing song. Not perfect, but probably closer to it without creating much more CPU overhead.) From tfabris at jps.net Mon Jun 16 18:49:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:05:55 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: everything I've heard and read suggests that there is no true random number generator. They are only pseudo random, so there is some pattern to their operation. Well, all random number generators nowadays are based on input that's different each time. For example, most use the system time clock as a seed, which is a very large number when you take into account that it includes whatever the smallest increment of time the clock measures (which is going to be different depending on the chip and the code). Agreed, that two pseudo-random numbers based on the same seed will produce the same output, but when the seed numbers are based on a time clock, (and the start trigger time is based on a human input like pressing the "go" button, or heck, even what time of day they choose to turn on the computer) you'll never be able to predict the output and it'll be different every time. although I'm sure that is not what is causing everyone's aforementioned experiences. Right, exactly. Whether the number is truly random or only pseudo-random doesn't apply to our discussion here. From V99 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 16 19:06:00 2003 From: V99 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (V99@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:06:02 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Price/Parts Update! Message-ID: There is very little documentation (that I am aware of) for this model on the web. The PDF spec sheet for the K610a is attached to one of my posts above (direct link). It has sizes, the command set, font samples, etc.. everything you need, and it's all that's available AFAIK. One non-obvious note in there is that it runs on TTL-level (0-5v) serial, which is one reason why you need something like foxtrot's board. From maczrool at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 16 18:24:00 2003 From: maczrool at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (maczrool@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:06:09 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: Although I am far from being a statistician, everything I've heard and read suggests that there is no true random number generator. They are only pseudo random, so there is some pattern to their operation. Hence not even the Empeg is immune, although I'm sure that is not what is causing everyone's aforementioned experiences. Stu From TigerJimmy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 16 19:12:00 2003 From: TigerJimmy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (TigerJimmy@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:06:16 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Help! Crash (or something) on right button push Message-ID: Hi everyone, I'm in a panic because my beloved empeg is crashing, or something. It is 100% repeatable. The player does everything just fine until I hit the *right* button, which causes it to stop immediately with a slight click, as if the power supply is shutting down. I have not verified that is the case, its just what it sounds like. If in the car (where I have a tuner module installed), the player goes silent and I get low volume static through the speakers. I had been running 2.0 final with HiJack with the ext3 patches. Also running was Palantir. This is what I've done: 1. Checked the FAQ. 2. Verify that the problem is not related to the car, tuner or tuner loopback by repeating the problem both in my Mark Lord dock and with AC. 3. Switch back to ext2 < test. 4. Remove Palantir startup < test. 5. Reinstall 2.0 final software < test. 6. Install latest HiJack (without very high hopes, I might add). I have not run the builder and I hope to avoid it. It doesn't seem like that would be appropriate for this kind of malfunction. So, if anyone has any idea what's going on, please help. I'm an engineer, but not an electrical engineer. I'm guessing I have a hardware issue of some sort and I can do some testing, but probably not in a ton of detail. Finally, what are my options to get it fixed now that support is shut down? Are any of you guys interested/available in doing some moonlighting for repairs that I can't handle? Are parts even available? Basic parts swapping I can handle, but SMT soldering is beyond me for something so important to me as my empeg. Thanks in advance. Sadly, Jim From tfabris at jps.net Mon Jun 16 19:40:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:06:24 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Help! Crash (or something) on right button push Message-ID: You mean the right-hand button on the faceplate? Interesting. Never heard this one before. One thing to check: Is it only with the faceplate button, or does it also happen when you press the Next Track button on the remote control, too? You've tried it with different shuffles? In other words, it's not a specific faulty song that happens to be the next song in the current playlist and you haven't gotten past that song yet because it keeps crashing? From TigerJimmy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 16 19:56:00 2003 From: TigerJimmy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (TigerJimmy@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:06:31 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Help! Crash (or something) on right button push Message-ID: Tony, Yes, I mean the right-hand button of the 4 button cluster on the faceplate. Not the knob button. Excellent suggestions. Here are the results: 1. The player seems to function normally using the remote. Specifically, the right button scrolls right through menus and advances to the next track, as it should. 2. I have verified that the problem is independent of the running playlist or shuffle mode. It also doesn't matter which track is currently playing. Good tests, thanks. Jim From bbowman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 16 20:07:00 2003 From: bbowman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (bbowman@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:06:38 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] JEmplode options (sort) Message-ID: Hello all, I've been struggling with this for a while and have searched around in the FAQ's to no avail. I've seen that there has been plenty of discussion on sorting in Jemplode, but none of them seemed to address this: I've been trying to use the automatic sort option in JEmplode (See screen shot attached) I wasn't sure what the syntax for the field name was so I've been trying all sort of versions of the name. the logic behind "tracknumber" is because that is used in the search dialogue. Question: Am I using this right? When I try this, it seems to be ignored. I either use this method or I manually go into each of the hundreds of albums, select all tracks, sort by track number, and click the position button. Kind of tedious, eh? Any ideas? The part in the screen shot that I'm referring to is _Auto Sort on Import:_ check _Tag Name to Auto Sort in:_ tracknumber _Auto Sort Ascending:_ check Also as a side question, what is the difference between JEmplode and jempeg? From bbowman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 16 20:09:00 2003 From: bbowman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (bbowman@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:06:45 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: JEmplode options (sort) Message-ID: Here is the attachment: From mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 16 20:15:00 2003 From: mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mlord@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:06:53 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Help! Crash (or something) on right button pus Message-ID: Hook up something to the serial port so that debug messages can be observed and traced. Look for anything at the moment of failure. Repeat with the following in config.ini (requires Hijack kernel):
        [hijack]
    ir_debug=1
    And then post the resulting trace here for us to look at. Thanks From pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 16 20:24:00 2003 From: pgrzelak at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (pgrzelak@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:07:00 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Price/Parts Update! Message-ID: Cool! Sorry, I had forgotten about that. But I am still interested in trying for a bulk order. I am also trying to see if they can be bundled with the board as an assembled unit. More to follow... From TedP at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 16 20:32:00 2003 From: TedP at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (TedP@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:07:07 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: JEmplode options (sort) Message-ID: I was trying to do the very same thing and could never get it to work. You're probably trying to do the same thing I did which is have each album sorted by tracknumber. What I ended up doing is to go to the newest version of EMPLODE (V2.00) and resort the JEMPLODE generated playlist by TRACKNUMBER. Hope that helps -Ted From tfabris at jps.net Mon Jun 16 20:40:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:07:14 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: Added the FAQ entry. It'll probably get updated as this discussion continues. :-) From h_blake at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 16 21:35:00 2003 From: h_blake at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (h_blake@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:07:22 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: A Lift from Cambridge to Amersfoort? Message-ID: Tony, Cambridge to Amersfoort is fine - bring an empeg if you want your own choice of music on the way! The ferry fare is £13 each way per adult (children under four go free). I'll PM you contact details. From mschrag at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 16 21:37:00 2003 From: mschrag at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mschrag@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:07:29 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: JEmplode options (sort) Message-ID: so that textfield expects the name of the tag to sort on ... the actual tag name, I believe, is "tracknr" (no quotes in the textfield) also, jempeg = the original name (years ago) ... jemplode = what the name of the software evolved into, though technically there's a jemptool inside there also, so jempeg was probably closer to correct. oh well. ms From taym at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 16 21:58:00 2003 From: taym at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (taym@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:07:36 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: Guys, it is always a great pleasure to read you all. I had skipped this thead completely believing that it was useless to disucss about randomness since whatever pattern you would consider random was instead, as I said, a pattern, and therefore the only way to find out if the empeg was actually randomizing was to get the code. Instead, this beautiful discussion was going on and I was missing it. Ok, I learned the lesson, never skip a thread on the empeg bbs. So, just for the sake of the discussion, I think we should remember that randomness does not really exist in the universe. A random output is just the outcome of a number of causes and effects that are uncontrollable and impossible to track and calculate by us poor human beings. I'm sure you remember the beautiful illustration of the chaos theory in Jurassic Park (book or movie): IF we let a drop of water fall on the back of our hand, there's no way to know on which side it will fall on the ground, unless we calculate the wind, blood pressure, pulses of the nervous system, our emotional status, rotation fo the earth, lights around, and all the billions of factors that determine the reasons why the drop choses this path rarher than another one. IF we could calculate and compute everyhting, we would get rid of randomness and predict perfectly the outcome. But it is too difficult. we can't . So we have to face and accept "unpredictability" . My point is that there's no such thing as a random number generator. There is just something that can give us the impression that there is no pattern, which is an illusion in the first place. And, as we could see here, i'st an illusion we tend not to believe in, since e see patterns everywhere! :-) Ok, that's it with my purely "academic" (and probably wrong) contribution to the discussion. Sorry if I bored you, but was just fascinated by the issue :-) From d33zY at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 16 23:45:00 2003 From: d33zY at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (d33zY@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:07:45 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: And even if could calculate all those factors, the act of us observing the drop of water changes the outcome. From tfabris at jps.net Mon Jun 16 23:46:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:07:53 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: A Lift from Cambridge to Amersfoort? Message-ID: bring an empeg if you want your own choice of music on the way! Actually, this is an interesting dilemma. I want to bring the empeg because it's an empeg meet, of course. But we want to travel extra light for this trip and every little bit counts. Plus, I don't want it to get lost or damaged in europe when it's going to spend most of its time packed away anyhow. On trips where I'm not pressed for space, the empeg always comes along with the AC adapter and some pretty big self-powered speakers so I've got tunes in my hotel room. Not this time, those speakers are most of a suitcase on their own. :-) Thanks for the lift! From blitz at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 17 00:25:00 2003 From: blitz at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (blitz@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:08:02 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: > randomness does not really exist in the universe What about quantum mechanics? From bbowman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 17 01:03:00 2003 From: bbowman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (bbowman@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:08:10 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: JEmplode options (sort) Message-ID: hmm, I tried tracknr in that field instead of tracknumber as you suggested and it still didn't work. Is there a log that I can send you on this? From TigerJimmy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 17 01:08:00 2003 From: TigerJimmy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (TigerJimmy@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:08:19 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Help! Crash (or something) on right button pus Message-ID: Here is the capture with ir_debug=1. The first log was normal and neither show anything at the moment of failure. Nothing. Thanks everyone for looking in to this with me. Jim empeg-car bootstrap v1.02 20001106 (hugo@empeg.com) If there is anyone present who wants to upgrade the flash, let them speak now, or forever hold their peace...it seems not. Let fly the Penguins of Linux! e000 v1.04 Copying kernel... Calling linux kernel... Uncompressing Linux..................................... done, booting the kernel. Linux version 2.2.17-rmk5-np17-empeg52-hijack-v339 (root@ibbm) (gcc version 2.95.3 20010315 (release)) #2 Thu Jun 12 12:58:10 EDT 2003 Processor: Intel StrongARM-1100 revision 11 NetWinder Floating Point Emulator V0.94.1 (c) 1998 Corel Computer Corp. empeg-car player (hardware revision 9, serial number 40104024) Command line: mem=16m Calibrating delay loop... 207.67 BogoMIPS Memory: 15016k/16M available (976k code, 20k reserved, 368k data, 4k init) Dentry hash table entries: 2048 (order 2, 16k) Buffer cache hash table entries: 16384 (order 4, 64k) Page cache hash table entries: 4096 (order 2, 16k) POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.2 Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039 NET4: Linux TCP/IP 1.0 for NET4.0 IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP TCP: Hash tables configured (ehash 16384 bhash 16384) IrDA (tm) Protocols for Linux-2.2 (Dag Brattli) Starting kswapd v 1.5 SA1100 serial driver version 4.27 with no serial options enabled ttyS00 at 0xf8010000 (irq = 15) is a SA1100 UART ttyS01 at 0xf8050000 (irq = 17) is a SA1100 UART ttyS02 at 0xf8030000 (irq = 16) is a SA1100 UART Signature is 206f6972 'rio ' Tuner: loopback=0, ID=-1 empeg display initialised. empeg dsp audio initialised empeg dsp mixer initialised empeg dsp initialised empeg audio-in initialised, CS4231A revision a0 empeg remote control/panel button initialised. empeg usb initialised, PDIUSBD12 id 1012 empeg state support initialised 0089/88c1 (save to d0005b80). empeg RDS driver initialised empeg power-pic driver initialised (first boot) RAM disk driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 4096K size empeg single channel IDE Probing primary interface... hdb: IC25T060ATCS05-0, ATA DISK drive hda: IC25T060ATCS05-0, ATA DISK drive hdb: IC25T060ATCS05-0, ATA DISK drive ide0 at 0x000-0x007,0x038 on irq 6 hda: IC25T060ATCS05-0, 57231MB w/1768kB Cache, CHS=7296/255/63 hdb: IC25T060ATCS05-0, 57231MB w/1768kB Cache, CHS=7296/255/63 empeg-flash driver initialized smc chip id/revision 0x3349 smc9194.c:v0.12 03/06/96 by Erik Stahlman (erik@vt.edu) SMC9194: SMC91C94(r:9) at 0x4008000 IRQ:7 INTF:TP MEM:6144b MAC 00:02:d7:28:0f:b8 Partition check: hda: hda1 < hda5 hda6 < hda2 hda3 hda4 hdb: hdb1 < hdb5 hdb6 < hdb2 hdb3 hdb4 RAMDISK: ext2 filesystem found at block 0 RAMDISK: Loading 320 blocks [1 disk] into ram disk... |/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\done. VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem). empeg-pump v0.03 (19980601) Press Ctrl-A to enter pump... VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly. change_root: old root has d_count=1 Trying to unmount old root ... okay Freeing unused kernel memory: 4k initempeg init 0.8 I see this is a developer image! Mounting proc Mounting first music partition Tried to mount /dev/hda4 as reiserfs but got error 19 Mounting second music partition Remounting first music partition read-only Remounting second music partition read-only Press 'q' now to go into development mode. You Have Zero Seconds To Comply... Starting player Hijack: intercepting config.ini hijack: removed menu entry: "Hard Disk Detection" hijack: removed menu entry: "Tuner RDS Control" hijack: removed menu entry: "Serial Port Assignment" khttpd: listening on port 80 kftpd: listening on port 21 player.cpp : 385:empeg-car 2.00 2003/04/01. Poll wait Poll fail Prolux 4 empeg car - 2.1434 Mar 26 2003 Vcb: 0x408ac000 Poll wait Poll fail From lofreq at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 17 01:26:00 2003 From: lofreq at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (lofreq@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:08:26 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] response time from the support team Message-ID: hi guys ive been a long time sufferer of the 'No HDD Found, Contact Support' syndrome on my Mk2a empeg, mainly due to poor solder joins on the IDE connector on the motherboard... ive fixed most of them myself (different 'legs' of the connector seemed to break off the motherboard from time to time, like every few months another one would seperate... strange) so ive fixed a number of the solder joins, but recently it suddenly failed again and after spending hours checking all the joins they all seem good but the unit will not pick up the drives. i tried contacting support (emailed to carsupport@sonicblue.com, as directed in the FAQ) but its approaching 2 weeks with no response. i was wondering what the normal turnaround time was for support to get back in touch with users via email (i have contacted support before when David was there, he sent out a replacement cable quite promptly - i heard back from him in about 3 days...) im guessing there have been some changes there since he left so do you think i should wait longer/send another email/contact a different address? im all the way in New Zealand so i am really dreading the long downtime (the gaping empty sled in the car is a painful sight too)! thanks alot for any tips guys :-D From thrasher at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 16 21:58:00 2003 From: thrasher at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (thrasher@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:08:36 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: fan install Message-ID: thanks From FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Mon Jun 16 23:35:00 2003 From: FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (FerretBoy@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Mon Jun 16 22:08:44 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: Added the FAQ entry.Looks good and should make the empeg guys proud! Speaking of whom, have they been reading this or have they just been ignore it as another "random number generator bashing thread"? From lofreq at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 17 02:14:00 2003 From: lofreq at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (lofreq@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 17 22:00:14 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: response time from the support team Message-ID: ok... i may look like a bit of an idiot here now. i understood from the past that the support team were being reorganized... and i remember there was a new person who posted here on the board who was replacing David. i remember members here welcoming him to the team and kidding with him about the big shoes he had to fill in Davids absence. i havent been frequenting the board as much as i used to so ive obviously missed something. has the support for empeg been completely terminated? so therefore, theres no one i can send my unit to for repairs... repairs that im willing to pay for! i would have thought that something like this would be made very bold in the FAQ - but it seemed to confidently point to 'contact support' all thru it so i figured there must still be some support for our empegs?? seriously frightened now as i potentially have a very expensive and now very dead device on my hands }:-( assuming there is no official support team left... is there anyone here who might care to look at my unit? its in relatively good nick other than the poor IDE connector... and the paint coming off the fascia that i painted to match my interior! help! From canuckInLA at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 17 02:29:00 2003 From: canuckInLA at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (canuckInLA@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 17 22:00:28 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: response time from the support team Message-ID: i havent been frequenting the board as much as i used to so ive obviously missed something. Yes, you've missed something. I'm too lazy to go find all the relevant threads, but to recap: 1) Sonicblue hit bankruptcy. 2) They were purchased. 3) Purchaser is keeping Team Empeg, but decided not to continue with customer support (i.e. repairs). 4) Team Empeg is/was negotiating to keep customer support around via some sort of external contract. 5) There has been no word on the success or demise of (4). Edited to remove suggestion of DIY repair, as I misread the first post that said you've already done that. From Meatballman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 17 02:33:00 2003 From: Meatballman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Meatballman@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 17 22:00:41 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: response time from the support team Message-ID: in addition to what CanuckInLA said, it has been strongly implied that Rob Schofield will continue to be the support guy. From jarob10 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 17 03:33:00 2003 From: jarob10 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (jarob10@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 17 22:00:52 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Price/Parts Update! Message-ID: In reply to: Anyone interested in getting one of the mini-VFDs, model GW128x32C-K610A would the size of this display be suited to the head up display setup ? From somewhereth at sflat Tue Jun 17 04:39:00 2003 From: somewhereth at sflat (Rob Schofield) Date: Tue Jun 17 22:01:00 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: response time from the support team Message-ID: It's worth making a posting here regarding the support situation. I took over support from David in the middle of January, working for SonicBlue. Around this time, all the warranties offered with the original and later Riocar players expired, and there was a massive rush of warranty work in February, March and April. We ran out of spares (notably cables) a couple of times, and some of the repairs were pretty difficult ones to sort out. The work was part time, and I rapidly discovered I just was not able to keep up with the work as effectively as David. In April, SonicBlue was put up for auction and the result was that car player support activites were killed. Period. A number of outstanding repairs were on the books, and there was still a large backlog of emails needing answering, some dating back several months. No excuses for this. I'm currently working on completely clearing the backlog of email and repairs dating up to the end of the support period, and will continue to do so until it is clear, even if it costs me money to do so. I am attempting to take it over as a private undertaking, and I am currently setting up a small company to be able to do it. The main delays at the moment relate to the acquisition of a VAT number, which is delaying things. The intention is still to provide spare parts and do repairs, at relatively low cost. As for email support, I'm not decided as yet. I am aware that response times have been slow, and for this I apologise. It is difficult to juggle the responsibilities of looking after my family during the day, looking for a job (I've been unemployed for around a year now) and trying to work on support issues. I suspect I have simply over-reached myself. There will be an announcement soon regarding what will happen as soon as the mechanisms are in place. From taym at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 17 06:02:00 2003 From: taym at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (taym@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 17 22:01:08 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: Well, presumably there are reasons behind random behavior in Quantum Mechanics as well. Problem in that case is, I guess, that what we consider time, and therefore the cause-effect relationship between events, totally needs to be reconsidered, and decidin what comes first and what next is quite meaningless if you can manipulate time as any other dimention... Hope I did not forget the little Quantum Mechanics I studied... :-D Anyway a Quantumpeg is not a bad Idea... MKIV? ;D From peter at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 17 06:18:00 2003 From: peter at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (peter@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 17 22:01:15 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: I really wish the empeg fellas would consider opening up just the shuffle algorithm's source code to put this issue to rest.OK, for the first time only, live on air, we're proud to present the entire of the shuffle algorithm source code! (For the non-custom-shuffle case, anyway.) Here it is: 
    std::random_shuffle(running_order.begin() + from, running_order.begin() + to);
    Good, isn't it? Peter From peter at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 17 06:19:00 2003 From: peter at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (peter@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 17 22:01:23 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: Speaking of whom, have they been reading this or have they just been ignore it as another "random number generator bashing thread"?Quietly confident, mate, quietly confident. :-p) Peter From yn0t_ at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 17 07:47:00 2003 From: yn0t_ at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (yn0t_@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 17 22:01:32 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: std::random_shuffle(running_order.begin() + from, running_order.begin() + to);There! That oughtta shut up all of those doubters! ;-) From mail2mm at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 17 07:58:00 2003 From: mail2mm at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mail2mm@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 17 22:01:41 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: response time from the support team Message-ID: Thanks for the update Rob. I hope you are able to make a viable business of this and appreciate your efforts. Your priorities are on track, starting with your family. My two MkIIa players just keep working. I keep my fingers crossed. Michael From mail2mm at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 17 08:04:00 2003 From: mail2mm at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mail2mm@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 17 22:01:50 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: response time from the support team Message-ID: Sorry to hear about your player problems. I am in Auckland and have a MkIIa player working fine. I have only opened a player to replace a defective HD cable. Fortuntely I have not needed to be so adventurous or brave as you in soldering loose pins! In any case, I would be glad to help if I could. I am not much at hardware repair but if you need a unit to compare yours to let me know. Michael From thinfourth2 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 17 08:31:00 2003 From: thinfourth2 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (thinfourth2@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 17 22:01:58 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: response time from the support team Message-ID: Great effort Rob i hope it all works out just hope i don't have to contribute to your business success but next time i drop the empeg i'll think of the benefit it may bring. From thinfourth2 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 17 08:43:00 2003 From: thinfourth2 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (thinfourth2@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 17 22:02:06 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Help! Crash (or something) on right button push Message-ID: A mechanics view would be check the board is tight on its mounts as it might be wobblying and shorting something. Sounds hardware but try instead of using button to skip enter a menu using a remote or something and then pressing it. The buttons i don't belive are smt and are available from non empeg sources From FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 17 09:49:00 2003 From: FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (FerretBoy@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 17 22:02:14 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: OK, for the first time only, live on air, we're proud to present the entire of the shuffle algorithm source code! :-) Would you believe I did this very thing to one of our more "persistent" users? I actually copied and pasted the source into an email and sent it to him. Last I heard from him too, though this had more to do with massively confusing him than anything else! From mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 17 10:06:00 2003 From: mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mlord@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 17 22:02:21 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Help! Crash (or something) on right button pus Message-ID: Nothing funny from that log. If it's software, it's happening in the device driver then, but really looks like a hard fault of some kind. Take off the faceplate and coloured lens and button caps, and then try again with pressing just the raw (white) buttons themselves. Cheers From frog51 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 17 10:35:00 2003 From: frog51 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (frog51@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 17 22:02:32 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: In reply to:Agreed, that two pseudo-random numbers based on the same seed will produce the same output, but when the seed numbers are based on a time clock, (and the start trigger time is based on a human input like pressing the "go" button, or heck, even what time of day they choose to turn on the computer) you'll never be able to predict the output and it'll be different every time. This may seem like a good idea, but in my line of work, anyone who uses this method to generate a random number is asking for trouble. This is one of the easiest to break. We have a selection of exploits to break TCP sequence numbers so we can hijack sessions - most of which depend on system time as a seed. See here for an amusing demonstration of the lack of randomness in computers. From draos at 4mate.hr Tue Jun 17 10:46:00 2003 From: draos at 4mate.hr (Dragi Raos) Date: Tue Jun 17 22:02:41 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: > This may seem like a good idea, but in my line of work, anyone who uses this method to generate a random number is asking for trouble. This is one of the easiest to break. We have a selection of exploits to break TCP sequence numbers so we can hijack sessions - most of which depend on system time as a seed. True, but we don't need cryptograhically strong random number generator on Empeg. Of course, the main trouble with Empeg shuffle is human propensity for pattern recognition at any cost, so to say (take, for example, Rorschach test or constelations). From frog51 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 17 10:54:00 2003 From: frog51 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (frog51@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 17 22:02:50 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: Another interesting corollary springs to mind - has anyone tried measuring how long it takes for a track by a specified artist to come up (assuming a DDD random shuffle and a reasonable similarity between numbers of albums for each artist?) The reason I ask is that since February I have not heard a single track by Pantera, although I have 5 Pantera albums on my empeg. I have, however, heard 3 by Madonna and 3 by System of a Down. :-) I like Ferretboy's special playlist, though. Might take a while to do for each artist I like! From Roger at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 17 10:55:00 2003 From: Roger at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Roger Lipscombe) Date: Tue Jun 17 22:02:58 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: > See here for an amusing demonstration of the lack of randomness in computers That link doesn't work (trailing quote). Try this one. From draos at 4mate.hr Tue Jun 17 10:33:00 2003 From: draos at 4mate.hr (Dragi Raos) Date: Tue Jun 17 22:03:06 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: Although there were many attempts to postulate 'hidden variables' behind quantum mechanical observations, and Einstein's dislike for the idea of 'God playing dice', current thinking is that the nature of events at atomic level (e.g. polarization of paticles resulting from radioactive decay) is genuinely random. From genixia at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 17 11:39:00 2003 From: genixia at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (genixia@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 17 22:03:15 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: Yeah, you're right; the empeg guys should cryptographically hash the time and use _that_ as the seed. I would say "Hah! Proof that the empeg random shuffle isn't as random as it should be!", but nowhere has anyone stated that they _don't_ hash the time. Since the empeg has more than it's fair share of 'little details that make all the difference' I wouldn't like to bet against it! ;-) From rob at empeg.com Tue Jun 17 12:40:00 2003 From: rob at empeg.com (Rob Voisey) Date: Tue Jun 17 22:03:24 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: _Speaking of whom, have they been reading this or have they just been ignore it _ I've found it vaguely entertaining. I'm not sure how many other user communities would go to the lengths of writing statistical distribution simulations :-) Rob From FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 17 13:42:00 2003 From: FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (FerretBoy@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 17 22:03:33 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: I'm not sure how many other user communities would go to the lengths of writing statistical distribution simulationsWe are sort of unique, aren't we? Sometimes I code better than I argue (a good thing for my pocketbook), so add that to curiosity and boredom and that's what you get. Oh, and there’s probably a high statistical probability that some community somewhere would have someone who'd write a statistical analysis program to make a point! ;-) From somewhereth at sflat Tue Jun 17 21:17:00 2003 From: somewhereth at sflat (Rob Schofield) Date: Tue Jun 17 22:03:41 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Help! Crash (or something) on right button pus Message-ID: Have you dropped this unit, even gently? Looking at the circuit diagrams, even a defective (electrically) switch wouldn't do this: it sounds like a cracked display PCB or something else shorting. For the unit to reboot, it's likely to be something to do with the 5V supply. From TigerJimmy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 17 21:52:00 2003 From: TigerJimmy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (TigerJimmy@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 17 22:03:49 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Help! Crash (or something) on right button pus Message-ID: Thank you for all of the comments, guys. I figured out the problem and came up with a hack to fix it. I think it could happen to other players, so I wanted to share this with the group. I also feel it could be related to faulty IDE cables many are experiencing. The IDE cable comes very close to the display board. Of course, this is not a short problem because the cable is insulated. However, some of the solder points on the back of the display board are very sharp. In particular, the buttons are through-hole soldered and the connections are very sharp and extremely close to the IDE cable. There is enough slack in the IDE cable for it to come into contact with those sharp solder points. Although I missed it at first, I eventually noticed an extremely small pin hole in the IDE cable right over a conductor. The IDE cable insulation had been punctured by one of the solder points of the left button. When the button was closed (pushed), it apparently resulted in a short, causing the drive to immediately shut down. That was the click I was hearing. I "fixed" it by pulling the IDE cable away from the display board and gluing it down with a liberal dose of hot melt glue to the top of both drives. I checked the cable very closely and can only find one pin hole on a single conductor. Since multiple IDE conductors were not damaged and since the cable is now secured a safe distance from any potential short, I did not replace the cable. I suppose a drop of hot melt glue would seal it, but I don't see the need. The next time you have your player apart, it may be worth ensuring that the IDE cable is secured away from the display board so that vibration during mobile use doesn't evenutally wear the cable if the slack is sufficient for it to touch the board. Thanks again for all of the kind help. Jim From TigerJimmy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 17 21:54:00 2003 From: TigerJimmy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (TigerJimmy@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 17 22:03:57 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Help! Crash (or something) on right button pus Message-ID: The unit never rebooted. It just shut down and locked. It required a full power cycle to reboot. You guys were very close. It was a short. It was related to the display PCB. I think it could happen to others... Jim From thrasher at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Tue Jun 17 23:18:00 2003 From: thrasher at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (thrasher@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 17 22:04:05 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: This year's Northern California Meet thread Message-ID: have you ever been down to state park beach in aptos.I just got back from seven nights right on the beach.went to the aquariam in monterey.Lot of good places to eat around there.I got reservations for seven more nights there in aug,23-30. From genixia at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 18 00:02:00 2003 From: genixia at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (genixia@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 17 22:04:13 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Help! Crash (or something) on right button pus Message-ID: Cool, I'm glad you got it resolved. AFAIK, that is the first reported symptom of a worn IDE cable. There have been a couple of reports of frayed/punctured insulation, but I can't remember anyone having any functional problems because of it. From Blipman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 18 00:09:00 2003 From: Blipman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Blipman@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 17 22:04:20 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: response time from the support team Message-ID: Hi Rob, can you confirm you received my email? One was bounced back to me so I just wanted to know if you'd received the resend as it explains what's going on. Thanks, Ben (Lippa) :-) From gooberhead at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 18 01:45:00 2003 From: gooberhead at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (gooberhead@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 17 22:04:29 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] cocks cocks cocks cocks cocks Message-ID: you're all a bunch of cocks From gooberhead at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 18 01:50:00 2003 From: gooberhead at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (gooberhead@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 17 22:04:37 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] lets try this again Message-ID: lah dee dah From yn0t_ at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 18 01:56:00 2003 From: yn0t_ at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (yn0t_@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Tue Jun 17 22:04:57 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: cocks cocks cocks cocks cocks Message-ID: Lamest.... troll.... ever... From Mach at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 18 03:00:00 2003 From: Mach at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Mach@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 18 22:00:22 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Handle needs a ride from US to Amersfoort Message-ID: Anyone in the Northeast US coming to the meet that is willing to bring my handle and fascia to Amersfoort with them? I had mine on loan to Casting_Fool and it's now at my folks place in PA. Mucho gracias... From TigerJimmy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 18 03:18:00 2003 From: TigerJimmy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (TigerJimmy@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 18 22:00:36 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Help! Crash (or something) on right button pus Message-ID: Me too! Those who've had a (hopefully temporary) malfunction with their player know that awful sinking feeling. I'm very attached to my empeg. I knew that, but I never *knew* that... From PhilipOHare at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 18 05:43:00 2003 From: PhilipOHare at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (PhilipOHare@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 18 22:00:50 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: cocks cocks cocks cocks cocks Message-ID: :-) From marria01 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 18 06:10:00 2003 From: marria01 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (marria01@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 18 22:01:02 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: lets try this again Message-ID: Exactly what are you trying to achieve? From mhomann at netscape.net Wed Jun 18 06:28:00 2003 From: mhomann at netscape.net (Mathias Homann) Date: Wed Jun 18 22:01:14 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: lets try this again Message-ID: setting a new world record for getting banned from a forum _and_ getting tracked down and beaten up? From somewhereth at sflat Wed Jun 18 07:15:00 2003 From: somewhereth at sflat (Rob Schofield) Date: Wed Jun 18 22:01:26 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: cocks cocks cocks cocks cocks Message-ID: ...and only the second or third in our history if I recall. I'm surprised Tony or Drak haven't nailed him already! From somewhereth at sflat Wed Jun 18 07:20:00 2003 From: somewhereth at sflat (Rob Schofield) Date: Wed Jun 18 22:01:38 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Help! Crash (or something) on right button pus Message-ID: Hang on - do you mean the (narrow) display cable, or the (wide) IDE drive cable? I can't see how it can be the drive cable as the only part of it that comes near the display board is the back of the drive connector on the hard disk. The display cable, yes - it can be pinched by the drive tray which would cause this. I was going to suggest that the next thing to look at would be the display cable for chafing. From tman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 18 08:00:00 2003 From: tman at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (tman@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 18 22:01:50 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: cocks cocks cocks cocks cocks Message-ID: OMG! Tony must be ill somewhere! Send out search and rescue! ;-) - Trevor From mp3 at html.net Wed Jun 18 08:40:00 2003 From: mp3 at html.net (John Lee) Date: Wed Jun 18 22:02:02 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: cocks cocks cocks cocks cocks Message-ID: It was funny to me. Oh well. i use to write for shows on Comedy Central. What do I know. From draos at 4mate.hr Wed Jun 18 09:46:00 2003 From: draos at 4mate.hr (Dragi Raos) Date: Wed Jun 18 22:02:18 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: lets try this again Message-ID: Look, we have here police chiefs, justice department officials, soldiers, short-tempered moderators, experienced network administrators, old grumpy people like me, so, our general good humour and jolly disposition notwithstanding, I woldn't do whatever it is you are trying to do. Apart from that, wellcome to the board! From boxer at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 18 09:50:00 2003 From: boxer at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (boxer@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 18 22:02:29 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: cocks cocks cocks cocks cocks Message-ID: Could you be more specific, before you get zapped? My dictionary gives "leader or chief" amongst the meanings of cock, most people on this site are leaders in the use of new technology, particularly in the way that they listen to music, so thankyou for your recognition of this fact. From robricc at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 18 10:11:00 2003 From: robricc at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (robricc@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 18 22:02:41 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Handle needs a ride from US to Amersfoort Message-ID: I could bring it. I was just in Carlisle, PA this weekend so I could have picked it up for you. Let me know what you want. From frog51 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 18 10:43:00 2003 From: frog51 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (frog51@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 18 22:02:52 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: cocks cocks cocks cocks cocks Message-ID: It's almost ironic, I guess. What would you call someone who wastes their own time registering on a bulletin board, trying to use a poorly written script, and resorting to fairly inane childishness? Gooberhead! (But it was vaguely funny) From Mach at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 18 10:59:00 2003 From: Mach at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Mach@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 18 22:03:04 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Handle needs a ride from US to Amersfoort Message-ID: Thanks. If you could PM me your mailing address, I'll send it your way. If it's delivered in a black sled, that'd be even better :-) From d33zY at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 18 11:13:00 2003 From: d33zY at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (d33zY@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 18 22:03:16 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: cocks cocks cocks cocks cocks Message-ID: Sit down before you hurt yourself. You can't hang with the pros. From wfaulk at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 18 11:18:00 2003 From: wfaulk at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (wfaulk@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 18 22:03:28 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: lets try this again Message-ID: We found this hole quite a while ago. Thanks for playing. From fusto at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 18 11:39:00 2003 From: fusto at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (fusto@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 18 22:03:38 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: cocks cocks cocks cocks cocks Message-ID: Sit down before you hurt yourself. You can't hang with the pros. Now thats funny! Dude, your alright... :-) From mp3 at html.net Wed Jun 18 12:29:00 2003 From: mp3 at html.net (John Lee) Date: Wed Jun 18 22:03:49 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: cocks cocks cocks cocks cocks Message-ID: Naw.. repetivive oratory about tumescent phalluses is funny. From mrfixit at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 18 12:36:00 2003 From: mrfixit at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mrfixit@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 18 22:03:57 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: cocks cocks cocks cocks cocks Message-ID: Hmm... maybe he is from South Carolina and the "cocks" are his favorite teem and he just wants everyone to know that. :-) From robricc at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 18 12:41:00 2003 From: robricc at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (robricc@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 18 22:04:05 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: cocks cocks cocks cocks cocks Message-ID: This guy definitely loves cocks. :-) From TigerJimmy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 18 12:46:00 2003 From: TigerJimmy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (TigerJimmy@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 18 22:04:13 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Help! Crash (or something) on right button pus Message-ID: Yeah, weird. It was definitely the wide IDE cable. The connector on the left drive is slightly below the solder points for the switch. It was contacting the solder points as it bent upward from the connecter to its position on the top of the drive. From Drakino at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 18 15:30:00 2003 From: Drakino at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (Drakino@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 18 22:04:22 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: lets try this again Message-ID: Nothing to see here. - Thread Closed - From tms13 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 18 17:22:00 2003 From: tms13 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (tms13@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 18 22:04:30 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: In reply to:I'm just wondering what that criteria is.What the criteria _are_, Fabris! Or what the _criterion_ is, more likely. Now write out one hundred times, "Romani ite domum" - if it's not done by sunrise, I'll cut your balls off. From mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 18 17:28:00 2003 From: mlord at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (mlord@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 18 22:04:38 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: More progress! Message-ID: Well, today SWMBO pulled out some of the new back panels to begin wiring them up, and .. pointed out that I had cut the RJ45 jack slots in the wrong orientations.. oopps.. So, much of today was spent back in the workshop (yay!) milling an entirely new batch of back panels yet again (boo..). Third time lucky? Yup! Now.. about them 2000 biscuit slots.. Cheers From tms13 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 18 17:42:00 2003 From: tms13 at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (tms13@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 18 22:04:46 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: The "obvious things that won't come up" are probably the best combinations to pick for a lottery. The reasoning being that most people shy away from these combinations, so there are likely to be fewer winners sharing the payout (assuming that's how your lottery works - it is here in the UK). For the record, I'd like to say that I've never bought a lottery ticket (but sadly I can't, as I was once sent to buy one for someone else). From tfabris at jps.net Wed Jun 18 17:57:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Wed Jun 18 22:04:54 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: Now write out one hundred times, "Romani ite domum" - if it's not done by sunrise, I'll cut your balls off. Oh, thank you, sir. Thank you, sir. Hail Caesar and everything, sir! ;-) From tfabris at jps.net Wed Jun 18 18:02:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Wed Jun 18 22:05:02 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: The reasoning being that most people shy away from these combinations, so there are likely to be fewer winners sharing the payout Actually, the guy at Wizardofodds.com says precisely the opposite, and I think I agree with him. It only takes a handful of jokers playing "1 2 3 4 5 6 7" to really ruin the payout for you. And among all of the people playing our state lottery, I'm sure there's a lot more than just a handful of jokers. You also have the people running wheeling systems where that combination (or something similar) is one of the wheeled patterns. For the record, I'd like to say that I've never bought a lottery ticket (but sadly I can't, as I was once sent to buy one for someone else). I forget who first said, "the lottery is a tax on people who are bad at math." Course, I still buy the occasional ticket for the hell of it. Cheaper than dropping hundreds at blackjack. Hey, wait, I do that, too. Argh, I have too much discretionary income. From FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 18 18:06:00 2003 From: FerretBoy at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (FerretBoy@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 18 22:05:10 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: Strange randomization Message-ID: It only takes a handful of jokers playing "1 2 3 4 5 6 7" to really ruin the payout for you.I was about to say this. However, picking a non-obvious run might do it for you, say 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28. This sort of skirts the obvious runs but still is something the average person won't pick. At least I'd think so. I'm no lottery wizard or anything. From cookie_ARM at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org Wed Jun 18 18:35:00 2003 From: cookie_ARM at empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org (cookie_ARM@empegbbs-noreply.merlins.org) Date: Wed Jun 18 22:05:18 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: fan install Message-ID: Update... Fan arrived , looks like a fan ,blows lots of air , makes no noise :-). The fan is very silent to the point i have to keep checking it is on. Fitting : The fans motherboard header was a 2pin header but was too high to fit in the empeg, chopped it off and soldered one off another fan on. Trapped the negative wire between the case and hard disk carrier. I can't say how cool my empeg is now as my temp sensor don't work }:-( but it used to be too hot to touch after an hour, now its actualy cold. :-) Buy one is what i'll say. C. From tfabris at jps.net Wed Jun 18 19:02:00 2003 From: tfabris at jps.net (Tony Fabris) Date: Wed Jun 18 22:05:26 2003 Subject: [Empeg-general] Re: fan install Message-ID: The fan is very silent to the point i have to keep checking it is on. Even when it's installed in the player, with the air turbulence at the holes? What was this fan's thickness? Is it 10mm thick or 6mm thick? Did you need any electronics between the fan and the power supply, or are you run