From ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Thu Jun 07 20:19:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10892 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2001 03:19:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 8 Jun 2001 03:19:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mu.egroups.com) (10.1.1.40) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Jun 2001 03:19:39 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [10.1.10.95] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2001 03:19:38 -0000 Date: 8 Jun 2001 03:19:38 -0000 Message-ID: <991970378.262.25951.s4@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Notify: From: To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to ExtractStream MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the ExtractStream group. File : /license.txt Uploaded by : nonesuch773@y... Description : Philosophy and license for ExtractStream.C You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ExtractStream/files/license.txt To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, nonesuch773@y... From nonesuch773@y... Thu Jun 07 20:23:09 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: nonesuch773@y... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 8 Jun 2001 03:23:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 66430 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2001 03:23:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2001 03:23:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mu.egroups.com) (10.1.1.40) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Jun 2001 03:23:08 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: nonesuch773@y... Received: from [10.1.10.65] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2001 03:23:08 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 03:23:05 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Mirror sites? Message-ID: <9fpgep+u90m@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 288 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 205.166.42.5 From: "The Nonesuch" I have two mirror sites in Chicago ready and waiting for publication if there are any issues with the '9thtee.com' URL. If you have not yet seen it, you may wish to check out the current Slashdot discussion on this topic: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/06/07/171242 Nonesuch From nickhull@y... Thu Jun 07 20:28:01 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: nickhull@y... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 8 Jun 2001 03:28:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 28690 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2001 03:28:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 8 Jun 2001 03:28:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mv.egroups.com) (10.1.1.41) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Jun 2001 03:28:00 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: nickhull@y... Received: from [10.1.10.68] by mv.egroups.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2001 03:28:00 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 03:27:57 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Mirror sites? Message-ID: <9fpgnt+9vc2@e...> In-Reply-To: <9fpgep+u90m@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 417 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 172.137.164.94 From: nickhull@y... --- In ExtractStream@y..., "The Nonesuch" wrote: > I have two mirror sites in Chicago ready and waiting for publication > if there are any issues with the '9thtee.com' URL. > > If you have not yet seen it, you may wish to check out the current > Slashdot discussion on this topic: > > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/06/07/171242 > > > Nonesuch http://www.stampede.org/~skibum/tivo/ From ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Thu Jun 07 20:28:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29101 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2001 03:28:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 8 Jun 2001 03:28:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ch.egroups.com) (10.1.10.51) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Jun 2001 03:28:10 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [10.1.4.73] by ch.egroups.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2001 03:28:10 -0000 Date: 8 Jun 2001 03:28:06 -0000 Message-ID: <991970886.109.49449.k11@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: poll From: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: New poll for ExtractStream MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the ExtractStream group: Was it wrong to publish and widely distribute the ExtractStream software? o The software should never have been written. o The software should have been kept in the elite circle of original users. o The software should have been released months ago. o Information wants to be free! To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ExtractStream/polls Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks! From mvicuna@y... Thu Jun 07 20:38:38 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: mvicuna@y... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 8 Jun 2001 03:38:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 82599 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2001 03:38:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2001 03:38:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ej.egroups.com) (10.1.10.49) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Jun 2001 03:38:38 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: mvicuna@y... Received: from [10.1.10.123] by ej.egroups.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2001 03:38:38 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 03:38:33 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Using ExtractStream? Message-ID: <9fphbp+ssbo@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 140 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 24.182.152.163 From: mvicuna@y... Hi, I read someplace that the mpeg streams required demultiplexing. Anyone know if thats true and if so how to do it? Thanks, MarkV. From jhcolson@y... Thu Jun 07 20:40:04 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhcolson@y... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 8 Jun 2001 03:40:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 67455 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2001 03:40:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2001 03:40:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c9.egroups.com) (10.1.2.66) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Jun 2001 03:40:03 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jhcolson@y... Received: from [10.1.10.99] by c9.egroups.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2001 03:40:01 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 03:39:52 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: compiling now Message-ID: <9fphe8+tbim@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.59.243.170 From: jhcolson@y... :-) From devisbal@h... Thu Jun 07 22:12:51 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: devisbal@h... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 8 Jun 2001 05:12:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 62400 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2001 05:12:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2001 05:12:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hi.egroups.com) (10.1.10.41) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Jun 2001 05:12:50 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: devisbal@h... Received: from [10.1.10.103] by hi.egroups.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2001 05:12:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 05:12:48 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: NetCat Message-ID: <9fpmsg+13br@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 194 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 200.9.30.102 From: devisbal@h... I have been unable to download NetCat. (Connection to Remote Host timed out) http://www.l0pht.com/users/10pht/nc11nt.zip http://www.l0pht.com/users/10pht/nc110.tgz Any one knows of a mirror?. From son_of_mogh_worf@h... Thu Jun 07 22:24:55 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: son_of_mogh_worf@h... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 8 Jun 2001 05:24:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 98489 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2001 05:24:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2001 05:24:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hm.egroups.com) (10.1.10.45) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Jun 2001 05:24:54 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: son_of_mogh_worf@h... Received: from [10.1.2.4] by hm.egroups.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2001 05:24:54 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 05:24:50 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New poll for ExtractStream Message-ID: <9fpnj2+8ec5@e...> In-Reply-To: <991970886.109.49449.k11@yahoogroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 692 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.66.139.152 From: son_of_mogh_worf@h... Missed a couple of choices: o The software should be released later, when we recover from both the MPAA *AND* the RIAA lawsuits [ed: it's far better to do 3 battles one at a time than 3 battles simultaneously] o The software should be released, with clear and large type regarding the fair use vs. copyright infringement. --- In ExtractStream@y..., ExtractStream@y... wrote: > Was it wrong to publish and widely > distribute the ExtractStream software? > > o The software should never have been written. > o The software should have been kept in the elite circle of original users. > o The software should have been released months ago. > o Information wants to be free! From nonesuch773@y... Thu Jun 07 22:40:18 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: nonesuch773@y... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 8 Jun 2001 05:40:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 86943 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2001 05:40:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2001 05:40:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fh.egroups.com) (10.1.2.135) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Jun 2001 05:40:17 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: nonesuch773@y... Received: from [10.1.10.113] by fh.egroups.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2001 05:40:17 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 05:40:15 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: NetCat Message-ID: <9fpofv+89u4@e...> In-Reply-To: <9fpmsg+13br@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 826 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 205.166.42.5 From: "The Nonesuch" --- In ExtractStream@y..., devisbal@h... wrote: > I have been unable to download NetCat. (Connection to Remote Host > timed out) > http://www.l0pht.com/users/10pht/nc11nt.zip > http://www.l0pht.com/users/10pht/nc110.tgz Looks like L0pht aka @Stake is having issues tonight. > Any one knows of a mirror?. If you have 'ExtractStream-0.1.tgz', there is a copy of the Netcat binary for TiVo in hack/bin/nc when you unpack the tarball. To build the nc software on your workstation, a google search for 'nc110.tgz' turns up many locations, I found this one and added it to the 'bookmarks' section on http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ExtractStream/links Mirror of netcat source for Linux: http://www.tux.org/pub/net/lprng/TOOLS/nc110.tgz Nonesuch I am not a (Linux) hacker. (P.S. The Yahoo group is up to 77 members!) From mw362@y... Thu Jun 07 22:50:29 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: mw362@y... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 8 Jun 2001 05:50:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 22736 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2001 05:50:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2001 05:50:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mv.egroups.com) (10.1.1.41) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Jun 2001 05:50:29 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: mw362@y... Received: from [10.1.10.100] by mv.egroups.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2001 05:50:29 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 05:50:26 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: netcat for win32 Message-ID: <9fpp32+tho2@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 138 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 24.160.98.17 From: "Mark Williams" I'd post it to the files area but don't have post access. Here's the link: http://www.infobro.com/anon-FTP/Security/Tools/netcat/nt/ From sonnikinno@y... Thu Jun 07 23:01:13 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonnikinno@y... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 8 Jun 2001 06:01:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 41658 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2001 06:01:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2001 06:01:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hl.egroups.com) (10.1.10.44) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Jun 2001 06:01:13 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sonnikinno@y... Received: from [10.1.2.56] by hl.egroups.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2001 06:01:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 06:01:10 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: If any of you are familiar with PVRHack... Message-ID: <9fppn6+tvul@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 83 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 143.182.246.21 From: sonnikinno@y... ...I've mirrored the software in my downloads section. http://pvrhack.sonnik.com/ From sonnikinno@y... Thu Jun 07 23:14:23 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonnikinno@y... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 8 Jun 2001 06:14:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 41622 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2001 06:14:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2001 06:14:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fl.egroups.com) (10.1.10.48) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Jun 2001 06:14:23 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sonnikinno@y... Received: from [10.1.10.68] by fl.egroups.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2001 06:14:23 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 06:14:21 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: TiVolutionary answers... Message-ID: <9fpqft+t8bk@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 312 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 143.182.246.21 From: sonnikinno@y... TiVolutionary states that they didn't ask AVSForum to remove the information... TiVolutionary (Richard Bullwinkle of TiVo) maintains a primarily neutral bias, with a slight lean towards "we're not going to make it an issue, but don't be a moron..." http://www.avsforum.com/ubbtivo/Forum6/HTML/005466.html From merlin@f... Thu Jun 07 23:46:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: merlin@f... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 8 Jun 2001 06:46:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 25586 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2001 06:46:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2001 06:46:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO firstmagic.com) (209.220.8.18) by mta2 with SMTP; 8 Jun 2001 06:46:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 23310 invoked by uid 1000); 8 Jun 2001 06:46:34 -0000 Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 23:46:34 -0700 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: can't wait Message-ID: <20010607234634.R25662@f...> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i From: Myrddin Thanks for setting up this list. I've ordered the NIC upgrade from 9thtee. As soon as I get it, I'll be hacking my hacked TiVo (started life as a 14 hr TiVo, is now 96 hrs) to be net-aware, and stream-extracting. :) I'll let you guys know how it goes... - Myrddin From dralston@u... Thu Jun 07 23:48:34 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: dralston@u... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 8 Jun 2001 06:48:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 88156 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2001 06:48:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 8 Jun 2001 06:48:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ck.egroups.com) (10.1.2.83) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Jun 2001 06:48:33 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: dralston@u... Received: from [10.1.10.34] by ck.egroups.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2001 06:48:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 06:48:30 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anyone gotten ExtractStream to work? Or am I just lame. Message-ID: <9fpsfu+n3kp@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 671 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 204.210.38.236 From: dralston@u... I've tried extracting a video from my TiVo running 2.0.1 and it doesn't seems to work. I get: Attempting to locate tyStream with fsid 404361... ...tyStream located, sector map follows: Start Length 02c13c00 00008000 02c1bc00 00004000 Block: 2c13c00 Count: 32768 Total blocks 2 /dev/hda10 has 0x00100000 sectors /dev/hda11 has 0x02811f00 sectors /dev/hdb2 has 0x00002000 sectors /dev/hdb3 has 0x04c53c00 sectors Sequence number bogus 269ff4!=ffbd1f at record 7 of 18 Bad chunk, skippingf00 Sequence number bogus 269ff4!=205640 at record 0 of 75 and a bunch more of the "Sequence number bogus" errors. I can't imagine what I'm doing differently than anyone else. From mw362@y... Fri Jun 08 01:34:07 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: mw362@y... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 8 Jun 2001 08:34:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 76069 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2001 08:34:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2001 08:34:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hi.egroups.com) (10.1.10.41) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Jun 2001 08:34:07 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: mw362@y... Received: from [10.1.2.163] by hi.egroups.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2001 08:34:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 08:34:06 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: ExtractStream Message-ID: <9fq2lu+i3a5@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 590 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 24.160.98.17 From: "Mark Williams" It's going to run on for a while... then it'll end. I extracted yesterday's (rerun) West Wing to a file on a Windows 2000 Pro machine over my TiVoNET. Took about 40 minutes to transfer and during the transfer, the TiVo itself was unusable (freezes). But I did end up with separate video and audio files, that I was able to splice with TMPGEnc's MPEG utility. http://www.tmpgenc.com/ I can then watch it in FlasKMPEG. http://go.to.flaskmpeg Spliced together, the MPEG file of the West Wing (60 minutes) is about 1.25 GB. I'll tackle the VCD compression and burn tomorrow... M From andrew@t... Fri Jun 08 01:35:51 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: andrew@t... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 8 Jun 2001 08:35:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 95149 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2001 08:35:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2001 08:35:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hi.egroups.com) (10.1.10.41) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Jun 2001 08:35:48 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: andrew@t... Received: from [10.1.2.163] by hi.egroups.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2001 08:35:47 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 08:35:47 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Anyone gotten ExtractStream to work? Or am I just lame. Message-ID: <9fq2p3+8doj@e...> In-Reply-To: <9fpsfu+n3kp@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 561 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 24.7.199.135 From: "Andrew Magyar" Same here.. lots of problems with ExtractStream and mplex dies with a "Likely buffer under-run at video sector 15" when trying to mux the streams on my linux box. TMPGenc runs out of memory trying to mux it (I've got 256mb + 256 swap). I'm guessing its due to the above problems. I also noticied the httpd.tcl/NowShowing page doesn't list FsId's for more than half my shows. Anyone else having trouble? --- In ExtractStream@y..., dralston@u... wrote: > I've tried extracting a video from my TiVo running 2.0.1 and it > doesn't seems to work. I get: From mw362@y... Fri Jun 08 01:36:58 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: mw362@y... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 8 Jun 2001 08:36:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 60650 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2001 08:36:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2001 08:36:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hi.egroups.com) (10.1.10.41) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Jun 2001 08:36:58 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: mw362@y... Received: from [10.1.2.163] by hi.egroups.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2001 08:36:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 08:36:55 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: ExtractStream Message-ID: <9fq2r7+197b@e...> In-Reply-To: <9fq2lu+i3a5@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 117 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 24.160.98.17 From: "Mark Williams" uh, better make that http://www.flaskmpeg.net/ looks like the original site listed in his docs isn't there anymore. From sonnikinno@y... Fri Jun 08 03:28:37 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonnikinno@y... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 8 Jun 2001 10:28:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 70861 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2001 10:28:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2001 10:28:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c9.egroups.com) (10.1.2.66) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Jun 2001 10:28:33 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sonnikinno@y... Received: from [10.1.2.91] by c9.egroups.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2001 10:28:29 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 10:28:24 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: ExtractStream Message-ID: <9fq9c8+ku0q@e...> In-Reply-To: <9fq2lu+i3a5@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 231 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 143.182.246.27 From: sonnikinno@y... I think it was suggested for PlayStream that one should kill myWorld during the transfer. > Pro machine over my TiVoNET. Took about 40 minutes to transfer and > during the transfer, the TiVo itself was unusable (freezes). From twheeling@h... Fri Jun 08 03:53:21 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: twheeling@h... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 8 Jun 2001 10:53:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 5365 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2001 10:53:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2001 10:53:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hn.egroups.com) (10.1.2.221) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Jun 2001 10:53:20 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: twheeling@h... Received: from [10.1.2.36] by hn.egroups.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2001 10:53:20 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 10:53:19 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: can't wait Message-ID: <9fqaqv+ghin@e...> In-Reply-To: <20010607234634.R25662@f...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 708 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 18.242.2.107 From: twheeling@h... Same here... I ordered last night the instant I read over the ExtractStream info! I had been debating buying one of the TivoNet cards just for hacking around, but couldn't justify the $76 until now... Hope some people get it going soon and post results/screenshots from vcds... I'm very anxious to see how the quality will be played off the TiVo... --Todd --- In ExtractStream@y..., Myrddin wrote: > Thanks for setting up this list. > > I've ordered the NIC upgrade from 9thtee. As soon as I get it, I'll be > hacking my hacked TiVo (started life as a 14 hr TiVo, is now 96 hrs) to be > net-aware, and stream-extracting. :) > > I'll let you guys know how it goes... > > - Myrddin From jh1521@e... Fri Jun 08 05:38:47 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jh1521@e... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 8 Jun 2001 12:38:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 35369 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2001 12:38:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2001 12:38:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fk.egroups.com) (64.211.240.232) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Jun 2001 12:38:44 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: jh1521@e... Received: from [10.1.10.93] by fk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2001 12:38:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 12:38:41 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: ExtractStream Message-ID: <9fqh0h+9tn3@e...> In-Reply-To: <9fq2lu+i3a5@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 666 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 146.203.109.240 From: jh1521@e... --- In ExtractStream@y..., "Mark Williams" wrote: > It's going to run on for a while... then it'll end. > > I extracted yesterday's (rerun) West Wing to a file on a Windows 2000 > Pro machine over my TiVoNET. (..) > I'll tackle the VCD compression and burn tomorrow... > > > M Why not go with SVCD? Agreed, you'll need 2 CDs for a 60-minute show, but the quality is far superior. BTW, here's a all-in-one tool for creating SVCDs, which was released yesterday: SVCDcorder, at http://svcdcorder.esmartbiz.com/. You _do_ need the external mjpeg codec (they recommend the PICvideo mjpeg) and the standalone cc encoder *hint:http://apachez.has.it*. :) From fuggus@y... Fri Jun 08 08:59:46 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: fuggus@y... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 8 Jun 2001 15:59:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 63709 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2001 15:59:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2001 15:59:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hp.egroups.com) (10.1.2.220) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Jun 2001 15:59:07 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: fuggus@y... Received: from [10.1.2.52] by hp.egroups.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2001 15:59:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 15:59:05 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: ExtractStream Message-ID: <9fqso9+heoh@e...> In-Reply-To: <9fq2lu+i3a5@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1048 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 66.1.0.16 From: fuggus@y... How are you transfering the streams to your pc? Are you using samba? If so, can you point me in the direction to get samba running on my tivo? I've been using simple ftp to move files to and from my tivo, but I don't think I have enough space to locally store the stream files on the tivo root then transfer them via ftp to my pc. Any clues? :) Fugg --- In ExtractStream@y..., "Mark Williams" wrote: > It's going to run on for a while... then it'll end. > > I extracted yesterday's (rerun) West Wing to a file on a Windows 2000 > Pro machine over my TiVoNET. Took about 40 minutes to transfer and > during the transfer, the TiVo itself was unusable (freezes). > > But I did end up with separate video and audio files, that I was able > to splice with TMPGEnc's MPEG utility. http://www.tmpgenc.com/ > > I can then watch it in FlasKMPEG. http://go.to.flaskmpeg > > Spliced together, the MPEG file of the West Wing (60 minutes) is > about 1.25 GB. > > I'll tackle the VCD compression and burn tomorrow... > > > M From nonesuch773@y... Fri Jun 08 09:04:45 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: nonesuch773@y... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 8 Jun 2001 16:04:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 30243 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2001 16:03:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2001 16:03:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hj.egroups.com) (10.1.10.42) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Jun 2001 16:03:36 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: nonesuch773@y... Received: from [10.1.2.28] by hj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2001 16:03:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 16:03:33 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: can't wait Message-ID: <9fqt0l+2cib@e...> In-Reply-To: <9fqaqv+ghin@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1343 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 205.166.42.5 From: "The Nonesuch" In case anybody wasn't entirely certain of 9thtee's motives in hosting the software, I believe the reasoning on their part is obvious. So, 9thtee, when do I get an eval unit of the TiVoNet hardware? :) --- In ExtractStream@y..., twheeling@h... wrote: > Same here... I ordered last night the instant I read over the > ExtractStream info! I had been debating buying one of the TivoNet > cards just for hacking around, but couldn't justify the $76 until > now... > > Hope some people get it going soon and post results/screenshots from > vcds... I'm very anxious to see how the quality will be played off > the TiVo... In my experience with VCD, the quality is about on par with 'Basic', if not worse. I would be interested in seeing some direct-to-mpeg sample clips, at the various TiVo recording settings, and can provide the space to host them. Say, 30 seconds at each setting of the same part of the opening sequence of some PBS program that is one ten times a day anyway? > --- In ExtractStream@y..., Myrddin wrote: > > Thanks for setting up this list. > > > > I've ordered the NIC upgrade from 9thtee. As soon as I get it, > I'll be > > hacking my hacked TiVo (started life as a 14 hr TiVo, is now 96 > hrs) to be > > net-aware, and stream-extracting. :) > > > > I'll let you guys know how it goes... From info@m... Fri Jun 08 09:07:20 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: info@m... X-Apparently-To: extractstream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 8 Jun 2001 16:07:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 68900 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2001 16:07:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2001 16:07:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO glatton.cnchost.com) (207.155.248.47) by mta3 with SMTP; 8 Jun 2001 16:07:05 -0000 Received: from localhost (dsl-209191114233.internetconnect.net [209.191.114.233] (may be forged)) by glatton.cnchost.com id MAA21094; Fri, 8 Jun 2001 12:07:04 -0400 (EDT) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.13] Message-ID: <200106081607.MAA21094@g...> Errors-To: Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 09:07:03 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v388) To: extractstream@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.388) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Dtivo Extraction From: Ben McBeen It is my understanding that Dtivo stores encypted MPEG streams to disk. Is this true? If so, what hope do we have to get at this data. From barebottoms99@y... Fri Jun 08 09:49:18 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: barebottoms99@y... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 8 Jun 2001 16:49:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 43935 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2001 16:34:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2001 16:34:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hj.egroups.com) (10.1.10.42) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Jun 2001 16:34:53 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: barebottoms99@y... Received: from [10.1.10.66] by hj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2001 16:34:53 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 16:34:51 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Dtivo Extraction Message-ID: <9fqurb+q8l6@e...> In-Reply-To: <200106081607.MAA21094@g...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 285 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 63.197.247.13 From: barebottoms99@y... DTiVo stores the Decrypted MPEGs. Notice you can play back without the access card? --- In ExtractStream@y..., Ben McBeen wrote: > It is my understanding that Dtivo stores encypted MPEG streams to disk. > Is this true? If so, what hope do we have to get at this data. From kronos80@e... Fri Jun 08 10:05:18 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kronos80@e... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 8 Jun 2001 17:05:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 66377 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2001 16:53:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2001 16:53:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mr.egroups.com) (10.1.1.37) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Jun 2001 16:53:46 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: kronos80@e... Received: from [10.1.2.36] by mr.egroups.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2001 16:53:46 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 16:53:44 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: ExtractStream Message-ID: <9fqvuo+3d8p@e...> In-Reply-To: <9fqso9+heoh@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1342 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 209.208.189.13 From: kronos80@e... The way that I've been doing it is to use nc and stream the files directly over the network. Now if only I can clean some stuff off my pc to make room for all the videos.... S --- In ExtractStream@y..., fuggus@y... wrote: > How are you transfering the streams to your pc? Are you using samba? > If so, can you point me in the direction to get samba running on my > tivo? > I've been using simple ftp to move files to and from my tivo, but I > don't think I have enough space to locally store the stream files on > the tivo root then transfer them via ftp to my pc. > > Any clues? > :) > > Fugg > > --- In ExtractStream@y..., "Mark Williams" wrote: > > It's going to run on for a while... then it'll end. > > > > I extracted yesterday's (rerun) West Wing to a file on a Windows > 2000 > > Pro machine over my TiVoNET. Took about 40 minutes to transfer and > > during the transfer, the TiVo itself was unusable (freezes). > > > > But I did end up with separate video and audio files, that I was > able > > to splice with TMPGEnc's MPEG utility. http://www.tmpgenc.com/ > > > > I can then watch it in FlasKMPEG. http://go.to.flaskmpeg > > > > Spliced together, the MPEG file of the West Wing (60 minutes) is > > about 1.25 GB. > > > > I'll tackle the VCD compression and burn tomorrow... > > > > > > M From neil_1_brown@y... Fri Jun 08 10:19:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: neil_1_brown@y... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 8 Jun 2001 17:19:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 7402 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2001 17:13:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 8 Jun 2001 17:13:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ci.egroups.com) (10.1.2.81) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Jun 2001 17:13:53 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: neil_1_brown@y... Received: from [10.1.10.126] by ci.egroups.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2001 17:13:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 17:13:48 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Cleaning Up Message-ID: <9fr14c+761r@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 434 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 63.97.186.231 From: neil_1_brown@y... Is it possible to modify this code to search out and nullify all mpeg2 data on my TiVo for the purposes of backing it up onto something other than half a spindle of CDRs? Maybe recording as much as I can at highest quality and then instead of extracting the stream, writing it full of nulls that can be easily compressed during a backup ... or are there other considerations I'm not aware of? Any thoughts on this? -o- Neil From theamigo42@y... Fri Jun 08 12:21:41 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: theamigo42@y... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 8 Jun 2001 19:21:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 15003 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2001 19:21:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2001 19:21:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ho.egroups.com) (10.1.2.219) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Jun 2001 19:21:40 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: theamigo42@y... Received: from [10.1.10.105] by ho.egroups.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2001 19:21:40 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 19:21:36 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: my experience with nfs & smbfs Message-ID: <9fr8k0+hi10@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5223 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 136.182.2.222 From: "Josh Harding" I played around with ExtractStream a big last night. I thought I share what I learned in the hopes of helping others. Assuming you've already got your TiVoNet card installed and a method of getting files to it, you'll want to setup a method of transferring the (rather large) video streams to another machine. A few methods come to mind: -nfs -smb -net cat -mounting another ext2fs partition I tried the first three and got two of them to work. Both nfs.o and smbfs.o for 2.0.1 (compiled by cworley) complain about mismatched kernel versions. But since it's only a minor revision, yoiu can force the module to load with the -f option: insmod -f nfs.o (I renamed nfs-2.0.1.o to nfs.o on my TiVo) There isn't a lsmod command, but you can view the list of loaded modules by: cat /proc/modules You can read some of cworley's tips on nfs & smbfs here: http://www.avsforum.com/ubbtivo/Forum6/HTML/004631.html nfs ~~~ After exporting a directory from another unix box (mine is RH Linux), you need an empty directory on your TiVo to mount it: mount -o remount,rw / mkdir /hack/nfsshare mount -o remount,ro / mount 192.168.0.1:/shareddir /hack/nfsshare Some people use /var/tmp since it's already mounted read-write, but to me it looks like /var/tmp gets cleared out on a reboot. Instead I created a dir on the root partition so it will stay there. You can still mount something on top of that even when / is readonly. Since all your files are going to the network, it doesn't need to write to the local partition. smbfs ~~~~~ I couldn't get this to work right. I got as far as mounting the share (it showed up in a df), but when I tried to ls the dir, ls hung (^C worked) and then df showed the mount as 0 size. Since NFS worked for me, I didn't persue this any further. net cat ~~~~~~~ As per the instructions, I tried nc as well. After creating the named pipes (via mkfifo), I set the env vars and started the nc processes. Since I didn't have a version of nc for linux, I ran the receiving end on my Win2K box. With both net cat and nfs, I was able to use ExtractStream to get a pair of mpeg files. I tried two different shows (before I was too tired and wished I could blow off work the next day). Both streams generated a video files around 480M when ExtractStream errored out. Is this how big a 30m block is? Do some shows have multiple stream numbers because it's a diff stream for each 30m segment? Re-encoding ~~~~~~~~~~~ On Win2K, I used TMPGEnc to merge the audio and video streams. The supplied .mcf template didn't seem to load the settings for clipping so I had the green bar on the left. I manually selected to remove the top 2 rows and the left 12 columns and saved a new template. It must be a bug in TMPGEnc because my newly saved template didn't remember that I wanted clipping on after I quit and re-ran the app. The first show I tried (the Witchblade pilot rebroadcast) caused TMPGEnc to bomb about 2m into the stream. The part it did process looked good though! Multiplexing ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Lacking any form of instruction for mplex, I extracted the files to a dir on my linux box and ran: gcc -o mplex *.cpp I then had an executable and tried the suggested command line: ./mplex -f 2 -m 2 program.mpeg program.m1[av] which didn't work. Instead, it wanted env vars of VIDEO_OUT and AUDIO_OUT to be the names of the *input* files to read (strange that they are _OUT, not _IN). Also, it didn't take the output on the command line, it just wrote to stdout so I ran: export AUDIO_OUT=program.m1a export VIDEO_OUT=program.m1v ./mplex -f 2 -m 2 > program.mpg I still don't know what the -f 2 and -m 2 are for, but I'll look that up later. I'm guessing that it's because mplex isn't re-encoding, but rather just multiplexing that the streams aren't playable by windows media player. Does TiVo save things as MPEG2 streams? So I fired up PowerDVD to play the resulting file. About 30 seconds into the stream, the framerate dropped to about 2fps. The audio kept playing, but about 2 minutes into the video, the audio was 30 seconds ahead of the video. The future ~~~~~~~~~~ What I'd really like to be able to do is this: -Sit down at PC (currently a Windows box), fire up web browser. -Browse to TiVo's Now Showing list on web server. -Click on a show name and have it start playing on my PC. How do I think this will work? When I browse to the now-showing list, I'm really looking at a page generated by my Linux box running Apache. It's running a Perl CGI script that connect to the web server on the TiVo. When I click, it tells the TiVo to run ExtractStream which writes to an NFS mounted partition on my Linux box. My Linux box (which has a faster CPU than the TiVo) takes the two streams and either multiplexes or re-encodes them into a single stream. As soon as it starts, it sends the path to the output file to my web browser. My browser sees that it's an mpeg file and launches the video player. Is this realistic? Sure! I don't think we're that far away from it... we've got all the hard parts taken care of, just some polishing up so things run a bit smoother and some scripting to tie the pieces together. From theamigo42@y... Fri Jun 08 12:28:13 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: theamigo42@y... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 8 Jun 2001 19:28:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 30247 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2001 19:28:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2001 19:28:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ch.egroups.com) (10.1.10.51) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Jun 2001 19:28:11 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: theamigo42@y... Received: from [10.1.10.123] by ch.egroups.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2001 19:28:11 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 19:28:10 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Cleaning Up Message-ID: <9fr90a+1em8@e...> In-Reply-To: <9fr14c+761r@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1639 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 136.182.2.222 From: "Josh Harding" --- In ExtractStream@y..., neil_1_brown@y... wrote: > Is it possible to modify this code to search out and nullify all > mpeg2 data on my TiVo for the purposes of backing it up onto > something other than half a spindle of CDRs? Maybe recording as > much as I can at highest quality and then instead of extracting the > stream, writing it full of nulls that can be easily compressed > during a backup ... or are there other considerations I'm not aware > of? I remember reading that it wasn't (yet) possible to restore a tyStream that you'd pulled from the TiVo. I think that what you're asking will happen after a stream can be restored. I predict that the first step will be to take a tyStream (rather than two a/v streams), copy off the TiVo, record other stuff to fill the drive and over write that space, then copy the tyStream back. After that, things can progress toward how to take some other video stream and re-encode it to the exact format the TiVo wants. When that happens, we'll prolly find out if it's possible to just write all 0's rather than a valid MPEG stream. I think the hard part will be that the TiVo is prolly very picky about it's MPEG streams. Since a normal MPEG player is designed to allow you to play MPEGS from many sources, they try to be flexible. But the TiVo only has to worry about playing back streams that it wrote. Since it wasn't intended to be able to access other data sources, it would seem unlikely that the developers put any unnecessary effort into coding it to play other streams. Not to sound discouraging... I think it'll happen, just won't be a trivial task. From markb@y... Fri Jun 08 12:59:43 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: markb@y... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 8 Jun 2001 19:59:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 33038 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2001 19:59:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 8 Jun 2001 19:59:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jk.egroups.com) (10.1.10.92) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Jun 2001 19:59:42 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: markb@y... Received: from [10.1.10.103] by jk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2001 19:59:42 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 19:59:42 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: my experience with nfs & smbfs Message-ID: <9frare+48do@e...> In-Reply-To: <9fr8k0+hi10@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 543 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 129.46.176.138 From: markb@y... --- In ExtractStream@y..., "Josh Harding" wrote: > I then had an executable and tried the suggested command line: > ./mplex -f 2 -m 2 program.mpeg program.m1[av] > which didn't work. Instead, it wanted env vars of VIDEO_OUT and > AUDIO_OUT to be the names of the *input* files to read (strange that > they are _OUT, not _IN). I think that's because the version of mplex you comopiled was intended to run on the TiVo. You're supposed to use the version of mplex that hasn't been hacked for your Linux machine. -Mark From bounce2070@y... Fri Jun 08 13:01:17 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: bounce2070@y... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 8 Jun 2001 20:01:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 84622 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2001 20:01:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2001 20:01:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jj.egroups.com) (10.1.10.91) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Jun 2001 20:01:17 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: bounce2070@y... Received: from [10.1.10.124] by jj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2001 20:01:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 20:01:13 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Cleaning Up Message-ID: <9frau9+7sm3@e...> In-Reply-To: <9fr90a+1em8@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1267 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 64.160.19.240 From: bounce2070@y... "Josh" == Josh Harding wrote the following on Fri, 08 Jun 2001 19:28:10 -0000 Josh> --- In ExtractStream@y..., neil_1_brown@y... wrote: Josh> >> Is it possible to modify this code to search out Josh> >> and nullify all mpeg2 data on my TiVo for the Josh> >> purposes of backing it up onto something other Josh> >> than half a spindle of CDRs? Josh> I remember reading that it wasn't (yet) possible to Josh> restore a tyStream that you'd pulled from the TiVo. Josh> I think that what you're asking will happen after Josh> a stream can be restored. But what he's asking for has nothing to do with pulling a tyStream from the TiVo. He simply wants to override the mpg data of the exisiting stream. I.e., instead of calling read() on the data blocks, the program calls write(). This is what d18c7db solicited for in the readme file of PlayStream back in January. Josh> I think the hard part will be that the TiVo is Josh> prolly very picky about it's MPEG streams. No...just don't ask TiVo to ever play that tyStream that you've nullified. It's there solely as a space filler that's easy to compress. Once you've backed up (or, once you've restored), the first thing you do is delete that stream from Now Showing. From robertw@w... Fri Jun 08 13:12:19 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: robertw@w... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 8 Jun 2001 20:12:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 61637 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2001 20:12:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 8 Jun 2001 20:12:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ej.egroups.com) (10.1.10.49) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Jun 2001 20:12:18 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: robertw@w... Received: from [10.1.10.108] by ej.egroups.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2001 20:12:17 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 20:12:12 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Mirror sites? Message-ID: <9frbis+j70a@e...> In-Reply-To: <9fpgep+u90m@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 393 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 209.83.113.69 From: robertw@w... --- In ExtractStream@y..., "The Nonesuch" wrote: > I have two mirror sites in Chicago ready and waiting for publication > if there are any issues with the '9thtee.com' URL. > > If you have not yet seen it, you may wish to check out the current > Slashdot discussion on this topic: > > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/06/07/171242 > http://tweek.wojo.com/tivo/ From extractstream@y... Fri Jun 08 15:30:04 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: extractstream@y... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 8 Jun 2001 22:30:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 81345 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2001 22:30:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2001 22:30:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fl.egroups.com) (10.1.10.48) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Jun 2001 22:30:03 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: extractstream@y... Received: from [10.1.10.117] by fl.egroups.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2001 22:30:03 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 22:30:03 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Guide Data Message-ID: <9frjlb+15sk@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 110 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 209.208.189.13 From: extractstream@y... So now that we can extract the video from the Tivo, does anyone know how to get guide data onto the Tivo? s From sonnikinno@y... Fri Jun 08 15:46:46 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonnikinno@y... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 8 Jun 2001 22:46:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 87657 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2001 22:46:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2001 22:46:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ci.egroups.com) (10.1.2.81) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Jun 2001 22:46:46 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sonnikinno@y... Received: from [10.1.10.116] by ci.egroups.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2001 22:46:45 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 22:46:43 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Interesting info Message-ID: <9frkkk+o50t@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 353 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 24.21.68.121 From: sonnikinno@y... Those of you who may be interested: In only 18 hours of being available for download at http://pvrhack.sonnik.com, extract stream has been downloaded 146 times... That's actually very impressive numbers ... speaking that it's target audience is a very precise group, not to mention how many times its been downloaded from other mirror sites... From syth@m... Fri Jun 08 16:05:08 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: syth@m... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 8 Jun 2001 23:05:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 60373 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2001 23:05:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 8 Jun 2001 23:05:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout.mac.com) (204.179.120.89) by mta3 with SMTP; 8 Jun 2001 23:05:07 -0000 Received: by smtpout.mac.com; Fri, 8 Jun 2001 16:04:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp02.mac.com ([10.13.10.66]) by smtp-relay02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GEMW4800.CJC for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2001 16:04:56 -0700 Received: from sgpc-7md339x9j7.mac.com ([216.160.165.65]) by asmtp02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 asmtp02 Jun 5 2001 11:01:05) with ESMTP id GEMW4700.6G7 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2001 16:04:55 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010608170341.02e87620@m...> X-Sender: syth@m... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 17:04:54 -0600 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ExtractStream] Guide Data In-Reply-To: <9frjlb+15sk@e...> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: Syth OK, so we can extract the stream from the Tivo Neat. Thank you. Now, this is an MPEG-2 stream, right? So... once I remux it witht he audio I should be able to just drop it on nero and make an SVCD... right? I mean, why convert it to MPEG-1 and lose quality? From bounce2070@y... Fri Jun 08 16:08:37 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: bounce2070@y... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 8 Jun 2001 23:08:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 8884 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2001 23:08:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2001 23:08:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c9.egroups.com) (208.50.99.230) by mta2 with SMTP; 8 Jun 2001 23:08:36 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: bounce2070@y... Received: from [10.1.10.69] by c9.egroups.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2001 23:08:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 23:08:27 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Interesting info Message-ID: <9frltc+2o3i@e...> In-Reply-To: <9frkkk+o50t@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 336 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 64.160.19.240 From: "Justin" At least some of that is hoarding. Some people are grabbing it while they can, in case it becomes unavailable again -- whether or not they plan to actually use the software. sonnikinno> In only 18 hours of being available for sonnikinno> download at http://pvrhack.sonnik.com, sonnikinno> extract stream has been downloaded 146 times From cfernandez@m... Fri Jun 08 16:16:40 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cfernandez@m... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 8 Jun 2001 23:16:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 24463 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2001 23:16:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2001 23:16:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fulanito.nisupu.com) (213.4.18.231) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Jun 2001 23:16:38 -0000 Received: from menganito (ident@m... [192.168.15.2]) by fulanito.nisupu.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f58NIxn20817 for ; Sat, 9 Jun 2001 01:19:00 +0200 Message-ID: <02ed01c0f070$94819ea0$020fa8c0@m...> To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010608170341.02e87620@m...> Subject: Re: [ExtractStream] Guide Data Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 01:13:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Carlos Fernandez Sanz" Um.....SVCD has certain requirements, such as 480x480. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Syth" To: Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 1:04 AM Subject: Re: [ExtractStream] Guide Data > OK, so we can extract the stream from the Tivo > > Neat. Thank you. > > Now, this is an MPEG-2 stream, right? > > So... once I remux it witht he audio I should be able to just drop it on > nero and make an SVCD... right? > > I mean, why convert it to MPEG-1 and lose quality? > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > ExtractStream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From syth@m... Fri Jun 08 16:33:13 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: syth@m... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 8 Jun 2001 23:33:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 45233 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2001 23:33:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2001 23:33:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout.mac.com) (204.179.120.89) by mta2 with SMTP; 8 Jun 2001 23:33:12 -0000 Received: by smtpout.mac.com; Fri, 8 Jun 2001 16:32:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp02.mac.com ([10.13.10.66]) by smtp-relay02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GEMXDL00.KLY for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2001 16:32:09 -0700 Received: from sgpc-7md339x9j7.mac.com ([216.160.165.65]) by asmtp02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 asmtp02 Jun 5 2001 11:01:05) with ESMTP id GEMXDL00.JDF for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2001 16:32:09 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010608173029.01dce648@m...> X-Sender: syth@m... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 17:32:07 -0600 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ExtractStream] Guide Data In-Reply-To: <02ed01c0f070$94819ea0$020fa8c0@m...> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010608170341.02e87620@m...> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: Syth At 01:13 AM 6/9/2001 +0200, you wrote: >Um.....SVCD has certain requirements, such as 480x480. OK, that's sorta what I was getting at. What IS the quality of the MPEG-2 coming off the Tivo (I can't check yet, don't have my ethernet port yet). What's the resolution, the size of the data stream, etc etc. Am I going to save time over using the Hollywood DV? Quality? From iam@t... Fri Jun 08 16:49:46 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: iam@t... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 8 Jun 2001 23:49:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 74053 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2001 23:49:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2001 23:49:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hj.egroups.com) (10.1.10.42) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 Jun 2001 23:49:45 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: iam@t... Received: from [10.1.10.69] by hj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2001 23:49:45 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 23:49:44 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: please help with smbmount and smbfs Message-ID: <9froao+9h62@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 179 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 4.33.32.103 From: iam@t... if anyone has had success with smbmount and smbfs please let me know exactly how you dit it. (info regarding both sides of the connection would be muchly appreciated). thanks. From fuggus@y... Fri Jun 08 19:02:29 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: fuggus@y... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 9 Jun 2001 02:02:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 94944 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2001 02:02:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2001 02:02:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hi.egroups.com) (10.1.10.41) by mta1 with SMTP; 9 Jun 2001 02:02:26 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: fuggus@y... Received: from [10.1.10.68] by hi.egroups.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2001 02:02:25 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 02:02:24 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: samba and httpd.tcl Message-ID: <9fs03g+c9n4@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 511 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 65.33.186.137 From: fuggus@y... It looks like smbfs-2.0.1.o (and maybe smbmount) wont do the trick if you have the 2.0.1.002 rev. as has been posted before, version conflict. It just locks up after I force it to load (-f) and try to "smbmount" the shared directory. (I'm hopeing I'm wrong!) when I run httpd.tcl and startup ie on win98, i get only the first two programs listed. I deleted them on the tivo and now there's NOTHING displayed. even after i rebooted the tivo! que pasa? ...even if it does'nt work, it's fun just trying!!! From nonesuch773@y... Fri Jun 08 19:57:30 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: nonesuch773@y... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 9 Jun 2001 02:57:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 53022 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2001 02:57:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2001 02:57:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ho.egroups.com) (10.1.2.219) by mta1 with SMTP; 9 Jun 2001 02:57:29 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: nonesuch773@y... Received: from [10.1.10.105] by ho.egroups.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2001 02:57:29 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 02:57:25 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Interesting info Message-ID: <9fs3al+gvcu@e...> In-Reply-To: <9frltc+2o3i@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1289 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 205.166.42.5 From: "The Nonesuch" > sonnikinno> In only 18 hours of being available for > sonnikinno> download at http://pvrhack.sonnik.com, > sonnikinno> extract stream has been downloaded 146 times On a related note, in the first 24 hours of this groups existence, over 330 people have subscribed to the mailing list. That is a good measure of the interest in actually using the software. I take no credit for the popularity of this list, credit goes to the author of the PlayStream software, and to Nick Hull for sacrificing his AVS forum account to release ExtractStream. "Justin" At least some of that is hoarding. Some people > are grabbing it while they can, in case it > becomes unavailable again -- whether or not > they plan to actually use the software. That's part of a long tradition on the Internet- when a controversial piece of source code becomes available, people download and mirror the software- not because they intend to use it, but to make it all but impossible to eradicate. As Internet pioneer John Gilmore once said, "The Net interprets censorship as a defect and routes around it." (Time Magazine, December 1993). John has interesting things to say about the social structure of the Internet and information sharing, at http://www.toad.com/gnu/ Nonesuch From nonesuch773@y... Fri Jun 08 20:08:12 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: nonesuch773@y... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 9 Jun 2001 03:08:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 12277 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2001 03:08:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2001 03:08:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hn.egroups.com) (10.1.2.221) by mta1 with SMTP; 9 Jun 2001 03:08:11 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: nonesuch773@y... Received: from [10.1.10.93] by hn.egroups.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2001 03:08:11 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 03:08:07 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Guide Data Message-ID: <9fs3un+sg62@e...> In-Reply-To: <9frjlb+15sk@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1200 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 205.166.42.5 From: "The Nonesuch" --- In ExtractStream@y..., extractstream@y... wrote: > So now that we can extract the video from the Tivo, does anyone know > how to get guide data onto the Tivo? This really isn't the place to discuss guide data- this is the place to discuss getting audio and video streams on and off the TiVo, and software to accomplish this. There have been discussions on AVS forums relating to importing program information for channels not available from the official TiVo guide- so far AVS has not really banned that topic, and you'll probably get better response asking about this there. In the interest of full disclosure: I am a shareholder in both Tribune (source of the guide data) and TiVo, and I have friends employed in TMS and TiVo, Inc, so I am not going to create or run a forum to discuss topics that are sure to result in harm to either or both of these publically held corporations. Activity that damages either business hurts me and my friends at Tribune and at TiVo directly. That said, I have no interest in or intention to censor this forum- any discussion on the topic of extraction or importation of the audio and video data is a productive use of the group. Nonesuch From ver2go@y... Fri Jun 08 21:06:45 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: ver2go@y... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 9 Jun 2001 04:06:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 65929 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2001 04:06:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2001 04:06:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hk.egroups.com) (10.1.10.43) by mta1 with SMTP; 9 Jun 2001 04:06:44 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: ver2go@y... Received: from [10.1.10.102] by hk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2001 04:06:44 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 04:06:40 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: samba and httpd.tcl Message-ID: <9fs7cg+tjr@e...> In-Reply-To: <9fs03g+c9n4@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 827 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 12.99.24.134 From: ver2go@y... > It looks like smbfs-2.0.1.o (and maybe smbmount) wont do the trick if > you have the 2.0.1.002 rev. as has been posted before, version > conflict. It just locks up after I force it to load (-f) and try > to "smbmount" the shared directory. I'm still not sure which version of samba was compiled for the TiVo or how it was compiled. Samba is a pain sometimes. Here is how I would debug this You say after you load it locks up? Load the module? If it locks up, then how can you use smbmount? If it locks up on smbmount, then do a lsmod to see if the modules were loaded. Look at the connections on the windows machine to see if something even tried to attach to the share. look in /var/log/messages (the normal place for the samba debug messages, but its a compile option so it can be anywhere on the TiVo) From theamigo42@y... Fri Jun 08 21:56:54 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: theamigo42@y... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 9 Jun 2001 04:56:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 75454 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2001 04:56:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2001 04:56:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ci.egroups.com) (10.1.2.81) by mta1 with SMTP; 9 Jun 2001 04:56:53 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: theamigo42@y... Received: from [10.1.4.67] by ci.egroups.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2001 04:56:53 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 04:56:50 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: samba and httpd.tcl Message-ID: <9fsaai+omg6@e...> In-Reply-To: <9fs03g+c9n4@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 959 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 64.34.122.173 From: "Josh Harding" --- In ExtractStream@y..., fuggus@y... wrote: > It looks like smbfs-2.0.1.o (and maybe smbmount) wont do the trick > if you have the 2.0.1.002 rev. as has been posted before, version > conflict. It just locks up after I force it to load (-f) and try > to "smbmount" the shared directory. If you hit ^C, do you get your prompt back or is your TiVo hung? Do you get a password prompt? Mine didn't work until I followed cworley's tips (see the link in my previous post) where he suggests doing it this way: smbmount //192.168.0.1/sharename /var/tmp/emptydir -I 192.168.0.1 -D workgroup -U username Yes, you need to put the IP address of your smb server in there twice, once as the share name and once with the -I option. If your workgroup is named something other than workgroup, change that and put your actual user name in too. Then it should ask you for a password. The above line was enough to let mine mount, but I still couldn't use it. From iam@t... Sat Jun 09 10:27:50 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: iam@t... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 9 Jun 2001 17:27:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 93977 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2001 17:27:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2001 17:27:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ei.egroups.com) (10.1.2.114) by mta1 with SMTP; 9 Jun 2001 17:27:50 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: iam@t... Received: from [10.1.10.121] by ei.egroups.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2001 17:27:49 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 17:27:48 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: anyone shed some light on how to use TMPGEnc? Message-ID: <9ftmak+hv9u@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 536 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 207.173.57.194 From: iam@t... I can't seem to figure out how to use TMPGEnc with the 2 files that are output by the EventStream program. I have placed the TiVo-VCD.mcf file into the Template and Template\Extra folders. When I try to import the .m2v file the TMPGEnc says that it is not supported. I was able to use the "MPEG Tools" function to do a "Simple Multiplex" of the .m2v and .m2a files. But the resultant file is a MPEG with dimensions of 352x480. Maybe I haven't done enough reading. Maybe I should stick with linux rather than Windows NT 4. TIA. From nickhull@y... Sat Jun 09 11:05:23 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: nickhull@y... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 9 Jun 2001 18:05:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 93847 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2001 18:05:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2001 18:05:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hk.egroups.com) (10.1.10.43) by mta1 with SMTP; 9 Jun 2001 18:05:22 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: nickhull@y... Received: from [10.1.10.114] by hk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2001 18:05:22 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 18:05:18 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: anyone shed some light on how to use TMPGEnc? Message-ID: <9ftogu+ldd4@e...> In-Reply-To: <9ftmak+hv9u@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1093 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 172.132.132.62 From: nickhull@y... --- In ExtractStream@y..., iam@t... wrote: > I can't seem to figure out how to use TMPGEnc with the 2 files that > are output by the EventStream program. I have placed the TiVo- VCD.mcf > file into the Template and Template\Extra folders. When I try to > import the .m2v file the TMPGEnc says that it is not supported. > > I was able to use the "MPEG Tools" function to do a "Simple > Multiplex" of the .m2v and .m2a files. But the resultant file is a > MPEG with dimensions of 352x480. > > Maybe I haven't done enough reading. Maybe I should stick with linux > rather than Windows NT 4. > > TIA. You may have an MPEG2 codec problem with TMPGenc. When did you first download it? It only works for 30 days from install (except you can mess with the system date). Try installing something like ligos mpeg decoder, and try and view the .m2v file directly in Windows Media Player. It should work fine, but without audio. Also... a dumb question. Apart from placing the Tivo-VCD Template in the directory, did you select it for use? If anyone else has problems, please post here. From bobsand2@y... Sat Jun 09 11:33:05 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: bobsand2@y... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 9 Jun 2001 18:33:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 6418 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2001 18:33:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2001 18:33:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hp.egroups.com) (10.1.2.220) by mta1 with SMTP; 9 Jun 2001 18:33:04 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: bobsand2@y... Received: from [10.1.10.34] by hp.egroups.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2001 18:33:04 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 18:33:01 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Interesting info Message-ID: <9ftq4t+tjio@e...> In-Reply-To: <9fs3al+gvcu@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1466 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 24.3.102.224 From: bobsand2@y... --- In ExtractStream@y..., "The Nonesuch" wrote: > > sonnikinno> In only 18 hours of being available for > > sonnikinno> download at http://pvrhack.sonnik.com, > > sonnikinno> extract stream has been downloaded 146 times > > On a related note, in the first 24 hours of this groups existence, > over 330 people have subscribed to the mailing list. That is a good > measure of the interest in actually using the software. > > I take no credit for the popularity of this list, credit goes to the > author of the PlayStream software, and to Nick Hull for sacrificing > his AVS forum account to release ExtractStream. > > "Justin" > At least some of that is hoarding. Some people > > are grabbing it while they can, in case it > > becomes unavailable again -- whether or not > > they plan to actually use the software. Even hoarding denotes some base level of interest. > That's part of a long tradition on the Internet- when a controversial > piece of source code becomes available, people download and mirror > the software- not because they intend to use it, but to make it all > but impossible to eradicate. > > As Internet pioneer John Gilmore once said, "The Net interprets > censorship as a defect and routes around it." (Time Magazine, > December 1993). John has interesting things to say about the social > structure of the Internet and information sharing, at > http://www.toad.com/gnu/ > > Nonesuch From iam@t... Sat Jun 09 11:39:58 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: iam@t... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 9 Jun 2001 18:39:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 21325 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2001 18:39:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 9 Jun 2001 18:39:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ei.egroups.com) (10.1.2.114) by mta1 with SMTP; 9 Jun 2001 18:39:57 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: iam@t... Received: from [10.1.2.211] by ei.egroups.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2001 18:39:57 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 18:39:53 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: anyone shed some light on how to use TMPGEnc? Message-ID: <9ftqhp+nj1t@e...> In-Reply-To: <9ftogu+ldd4@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 745 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 207.173.57.194 From: iam@t... > You may have an MPEG2 codec problem with TMPGenc. When did you first > download it? It only works for 30 days from install (except you can > mess with the system date). Try installing something like ligos mpeg > decoder, and try and view the .m2v file directly in Windows Media > Player. It should work fine, but without audio. > > Also... a dumb question. Apart from placing the Tivo-VCD Template in > the directory, did you select it for use? I installed the latest version of TMPGenc last night, and I did load the Tivo-VCD settings Template (Stream Type: System(Video+Audio)). It just will not let me load the .m2v file (File "e:\tivoprogram1.m2v" can not open, or unsupported) I will try the ligos decoder as well. Thanks. From robertw@w... Sat Jun 09 11:42:28 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: robertw@w... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 9 Jun 2001 18:42:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 25317 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2001 18:42:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 9 Jun 2001 18:42:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server1.wojo.com) (216.42.139.184) by mta3 with SMTP; 9 Jun 2001 18:42:25 -0000 Received: from moe.wojo.net (localhost.wojo.com [127.0.0.1]) by server1.wojo.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4145B01C for ; Sat, 9 Jun 2001 14:42:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: RE: [ExtractStream] Re: Interesting info Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 14:42:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <16DC0F334516F5478EC60CADEDB6A68410DB02@m...> x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4417.0 X-MS-Has-Attach: content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [ExtractStream] Re: Interesting info Thread-Index: AcDxEuerA21PGXdfR3+9pP3wRkJLzwAAMevQ To: From: "Robert S. Wojciechowski Jr." I've seen 166 downloads, and about 1302 hits since yesterday from http://tweek.wojo.com/tivo/ - not too bad! =20 I wonder how many TiVoNET's are out there... hmm. =20 -- Robert S. Wojciechowski Jr. robertw@w... =20 -----Original Message----- From: bobsand2@y... [mailto:bobsand2@y...]=20 Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 2:33 PM To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ExtractStream] Re: Interesting info =20 --- In ExtractStream@y..., "The Nonesuch" wrote: > > sonnikinno> In only 18 hours of being available for > > sonnikinno> download at http://pvrhack.sonnik.com, =20 > > sonnikinno> extract stream has been downloaded 146 times >=20 > On a related note, in the first 24 hours of this groups existence, > over 330 people have subscribed to the mailing list. That is a good=20 > measure of the interest in actually using the software. >=20 > I take no credit for the popularity of this list, credit goes to the=20 > author of the PlayStream software, and to Nick Hull for sacrificing=20 > his AVS forum account to release ExtractStream. >=20 > "Justin" > At least some of that is hoarding. Some people > > are grabbing it while they can, in case it > > becomes unavailable again -- whether or not > > they plan to actually use the software. Even hoarding denotes some base level of interest. > That's part of a long tradition on the Internet- when a controversial=20 > piece of source code becomes available, people download and mirror > the software- not because they intend to use it, but to make it all=20 > but impossible to eradicate. >=20 > As Internet pioneer John Gilmore once said, "The Net interprets=20 > censorship as a defect and routes around it." (Time Magazine, > December 1993). John has interesting things to say about the social=20 > structure of the Internet and information sharing, at=20 > http://www.toad.com/gnu/ =20 >=20 > Nonesuch Yahoo! Groups Sponsor =20 [] =20 =20 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ExtractStream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 From neil_1_brown@y... Sat Jun 09 12:12:17 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: neil_1_brown@y... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 9 Jun 2001 19:12:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 14523 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2001 19:12:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2001 19:12:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fk.egroups.com) (10.1.10.47) by mta1 with SMTP; 9 Jun 2001 19:12:16 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: neil_1_brown@y... Received: from [10.1.10.112] by fk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2001 19:12:15 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 19:12:14 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Cleaning Up Message-ID: <9ftsee+n010@e...> In-Reply-To: <9frau9+7sm3@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 881 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 64.81.197.81 From: neil_1_brown@y... --- In ExtractStream@y..., bounce2070@y... wrote: > "Josh" == Josh Harding > wrote the following on Fri, 08 Jun 2001 19:28:10 -0000 > > Josh> I think the hard part will be that the TiVo is > Josh> prolly very picky about it's MPEG streams. > > No...just don't ask TiVo to ever play that tyStream that > you've nullified. It's there solely as a space filler > that's easy to compress. Once you've backed up (or, once > you've restored), the first thing you do is delete that > stream from Now Showing. Right - even if I had to do a factory reset after NULLing the one stream, that would be a small price to pay to be able to fit my full backup on one CDR. If nobody knows of a reason why this wouldn't work, I think I'm going to give it a shot. I have a spare HD to do a full-drive copy to, so I can mess with that and see what happens. -o- Neil From markb@y... Sat Jun 09 12:36:20 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: markb@y... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 9 Jun 2001 19:36:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 17090 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2001 19:36:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 9 Jun 2001 19:36:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hl.egroups.com) (208.50.99.197) by mta3 with SMTP; 9 Jun 2001 19:36:20 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: markb@y... Received: from [10.1.10.108] by hl.egroups.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2001 19:36:20 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 19:36:16 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Anyone gotten ExtractStream to work? Or am I just lame. Message-ID: <9fttrg+2sss@e...> In-Reply-To: <9fq2p3+8doj@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1117 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 24.30.144.78 From: markb@y... After modifying ExtractStream to not check for sequnce numbers, I was able to get two streams that seemed the right sizes. The audio stream played fine in Windows Media Player, but it seems nothing can play the video stream. Mplex reports "INFO: File blah.m2v is not a MPEG-1/2 Video stream." Strangely, when I unset the AUDIO_OUT and VIDEO_OUT variables and ran ExtractStream, the video plays on the TiVo, but not the audio. Ideas, anyone? -Mark --- In ExtractStream@y..., "Andrew Magyar" wrote: > Same here.. lots of problems with ExtractStream and mplex dies with > a "Likely buffer under-run at video sector 15" when trying to mux the > streams on my linux box. TMPGenc runs out of memory trying to mux it > (I've got 256mb + 256 swap). I'm guessing its due to the above > problems. > > I also noticied the httpd.tcl/NowShowing page doesn't list FsId's for > more than half my shows. > > Anyone else having trouble? > > > --- In ExtractStream@y..., dralston@u... wrote: > > I've tried extracting a video from my TiVo running 2.0.1 and it > > doesn't seems to work. I get: From rwaldin@y... Sat Jun 09 14:37:03 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rwaldin@y... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 9 Jun 2001 21:37:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 99508 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2001 21:37:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2001 21:37:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ef.egroups.com) (10.1.2.111) by mta1 with SMTP; 9 Jun 2001 21:37:03 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: rwaldin@y... Received: from [10.1.4.73] by ef.egroups.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2001 21:37:02 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 21:36:59 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Directivo, TivoNET, and ExtractStream Message-ID: <9fu4tr+ii51@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 422 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 65.106.104.181 From: "Ray Waldin" Hi everyone, I have a SAT60 and as far as I know, that means the TivoNET from 9thTee won't work for me (it won't fit, I guess). So I guess I'm out of luck when it comes to using ExtractStream since I have nowhere to move the extracted videos. My question is, are all of you using the TivoNET/ExtractStream combo with the standalone Tivo units, or has anyone been able to do this on DirecTivo? Thanks! -Ray From johndavid65@h... Sat Jun 09 17:48:37 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: johndavid65@h... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 10 Jun 2001 00:48:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 80018 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2001 00:48:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2001 00:48:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hj.egroups.com) (10.1.10.42) by mta1 with SMTP; 10 Jun 2001 00:48:36 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: johndavid65@h... Received: from [10.1.10.126] by hj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2001 00:48:36 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 00:48:31 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: httpd.tcl changes Message-ID: <9fug4v+mbhj@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1546 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 66.56.12.61 From: "John Schult" Hi all, I am interested in working on some of the code in the httpd.tcl that is being used for ExtractStream. I am not sure who is maintaining the code base for ExtractStream? Anyway, one of the things (I know it is minor) in httpd.tcl that I wanted to fix was the way it displays the remount info. Here is my rewrite: proc action_remount {chan path} { if {[string index $path 0] == "/"} { set path [string range $path 1 end] } puts $chan [html_start "TivoHack Web Remote"] puts $chan "TiVoHack Web Root Remount
" if {$path == "ro" } { exec mount -oremount,ro / } elseif {$path == "rw" } { exec mount -oremount,rw / } # check to see how / is currently mounted variable mount_out [exec mount] set mount_out [ string range $mount_out 0 [ string first ")" $mount_out ] ] variable remount "ro" variable remount_txt "Read Only" if { [regexp -nocase {\(ro\)} $mount_out] } { puts $chan "/ is currently mounted Read Only 
\[$mount_out\]
" set remount "rw" set remount_txt "Read Write" } else { puts $chan "/ is currently mounted Read Write 
\[$mount_out\]
" } puts $chan "
" puts $chan "Remount / as " variable link [html_link $remount $remount_txt] puts -nonewline $chan $link puts $chan "
" puts $chan [html_end] } I am going to change more of the interface and if you would like to see this contributed, let me know. John From johndavid65@h... Sat Jun 09 20:03:23 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: johndavid65@h... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 10 Jun 2001 03:03:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 45221 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2001 03:03:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 10 Jun 2001 03:03:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jk.egroups.com) (10.1.10.92) by mta1 with SMTP; 10 Jun 2001 03:03:22 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: johndavid65@h... Received: from [10.1.2.59] by jk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2001 03:03:22 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 03:03:20 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: httpd.tcl changes Message-ID: <9fuo1o+g2vo@e...> In-Reply-To: <9fug4v+mbhj@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2340 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 66.56.12.61 From: "John Schult" OK, I obviously had way too much time on my hands this weekend... I hate pasting this code in this post (as I am sure the CRLFs are all screwed up), but what the heck. If anyone actually cares enough to use it, I am sure they will figure it out. proc page_header_start {title desc colspan} { set ret [html_table_start "BGCOLOR=\"#F0F8FF\" BORDER=\"0\" WIDTH=\"50\%\"" "" ""] append ret "$title" append ret "$desc" return $ret } proc page_header_end {} { append ret [html_table_end] return $ret } proc action_remount {chan path} { if {[string index $path 0] == "/"} { set path [string range $path 1 end] } puts $chan [html_start "TivoHack Web Remote"] puts $chan [page_header_start "TiVoHack Web Root Remount" "This widget is used to mount the root filesystem.  The table below displays the current output of the mount command for the root filesystem.  To change the mount option, click the button.  Changes are reflected immediately." 4 ] if {$path == "ro" } { exec mount -oremount,ro / } elseif {$path == "rw" } { exec mount -oremount,rw / } puts $chan "devicemount pointtypeoptions" # check to see how / is currently mounted set output [exec mount] set mount_out [ string range $output 0 [ string first ")" $output ] ] list $mount_out set remount "ro" set remount_txt "Read Only" set option_color "green" if { [regexp -nocase {\(ro\)} $mount_out] } { set remount "rw" set remount_txt "Read Write" set option_color "red" } puts $chan "[lindex $mount_out 0] [lindex $mount_out 2][lindex $mount_out 4] [lindex $mount_out 5] " puts $chan "
" puts $chan "" puts $chan "
" puts $chan "" puts $chan [page_header_end] puts $chan [html_end] } Enjoy, I guess. ++john From dpgerdes@r... Sat Jun 09 20:55:05 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: dpgerdes@r... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 10 Jun 2001 03:55:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 16418 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2001 03:55:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2001 03:55:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hj.egroups.com) (10.1.10.42) by mta1 with SMTP; 10 Jun 2001 03:55:04 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: dpgerdes@r... Received: from [10.1.10.105] by hj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2001 03:55:04 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 03:54:59 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: samba and httpd.tcl Message-ID: <9fur2k+suro@e...> In-Reply-To: <9fs03g+c9n4@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1752 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 24.182.214.7 From: dpgerdes@r... This sounds like a problem I ran into where the NowShowing listing terminates prematurely. The problem seems be caused by an assumption in the code that the Object Ids (or whatever they are) are #####/11 where ##### is the value returned by ForeachMfsFile. In my case, most fit that pattern, but one was #####/34 that was a 'partially' recorded show which might be where the 34 came from, I dunno. Anyway I have just started learning the Tivo DB and am slowly working on a work around for that and other problems. Another problem I found is that several of my NowShowing listings have empty TyStreams entries. But ExtractStream rocks, Thanks Nick Hull. I was able to extract and mplex on Tivo, reroute to Linux and play using dvdview. Extra information which might be relevent to the above problems is that my Tivo unit just became Disabled last night at midnight for failure to cough up extra money for the extended service. I am now more motivated to learn how to revitalize my $175 paperweight. Today the abstainers, tomorrow the TivoNets, and then they will come after the BlessTivo hackers. Hacking is simply preventative maintenance. --- In ExtractStream@y..., fuggus@y... wrote: > It looks like smbfs-2.0.1.o (and maybe smbmount) wont do the trick if > you have the 2.0.1.002 rev. as has been posted before, version > conflict. It just locks up after I force it to load (-f) and try > to "smbmount" the shared directory. > (I'm hopeing I'm wrong!) > > when I run httpd.tcl and startup ie on win98, i get only the first > two programs listed. I deleted them on the tivo and now there's > NOTHING displayed. even after i rebooted the tivo! > > que pasa? > > ...even if it does'nt work, it's fun just trying!!! From dpgerdes@r... Sun Jun 10 00:49:53 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: dpgerdes@r... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 10 Jun 2001 07:49:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 45715 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2001 07:49:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2001 07:49:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO topquark.roadkill.com) (65.161.114.8) by mta2 with SMTP; 10 Jun 2001 07:49:52 -0000 Received: (from dpgerdes@l...) by topquark.roadkill.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id CAA05635 for ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 10 Jun 2001 02:49:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200106100749.CAA05635@t...> Subject: Re: [ExtractStream] httpd.tcl changes In-Reply-To: <9fug4v+mbhj@e...> from John Schult at "Jun 10, 2001 00:48:31 am" To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 02:49:51 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL66 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Gerdes This is off-topic and probably doesn't belong here (But maybe my next post will include NowShowing fixes) Below is a modified version of the Extract version of httpd.tcl which will display the images referenced in the /mfs/Resource/Image section. Tested only on Tivux 2.0.1 Use at your own risk. -- David ============================================================================= #!/tvbin/tivosh # TiVo web server written by Stephen Rothwell (sfr@l...) # SendKeys Tivo Remote Mod by Jon Squire (jsquire@j...) # Note: SendKeys TiVo remote has currently only been tested on a # DirecTiVo, but should be fine on others, if a key doesn't work # look at your sendkeys.tcl file and makesure that the proper key # is being sent. # # Remount added 11/10/2000 1:44am EST but Jon Squire # # /Image added 06/10/2001 -dpg # source $tcl_library/tv/log.tcl source $tcl_library/tv/mfslib.tcl source $tcl_library/tv/sendkey.tcl proc html_start {title} { set ret "\n" append ret "" if {$title != ""} { append ret "$title" } append ret "" } proc html_end {} { return "" } proc html_link {link anchor} { return "$anchor" } proc html_table_start {tattr cap capattr} { set ret "" if {$cap != ""} { append ret "$cap" } return $ret } proc html_table_end {} { return "" } proc DumpObject_html {db obj} { set filename "" set typ [dbobj $obj type] # Show type and open bracket append ret [dbobj $obj type] " " [dbobj $obj fsid] "/" [dbobj $obj subobjid] " {\n" # Show the construction status if { [dbobj $obj construction] } { append ret " UNDER CONSTRUCTION\n" } # dump the body of the object foreach attr [dbobj $obj attrs] { append ret [format { %-14s =} $attr] if { [dbobj $obj attrtype $attr] == "object" } { foreach subObj [dbobj $obj gettarget $attr] { append ret " " [html_link "/object/$subObj" $subObj] } } else { set val [dbobj $obj get $attr] append ret " " $val if {$attr == "File"} { set filename $val } } append ret "\n" } # close bracket append ret "}" if {$typ == "Image"} { append ret "
" } return $ret } proc do_dir {chan path} { puts $chan [html_start "Directory listing of $path"] puts $chan [html_table_start "" "Directory listing of $path" "ALIGN=TOP"] puts $chan "NameTypeIdDate TimeSize" ForeachMfsFile fsid name type $path "" { transaction { if {[catch {set size [FileSize $type $fsid]}] != 0} { set size "N/A" } if {[catch {set date [FileDate $fsid]}] != 0} { set date "N/A" } } if {[string range $path end end] != "/"} { append path "/" } puts -nonewline $chan "" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link "/mfs$path$name" $name] puts -nonewline $chan "$type" if {$type == "tyDb"} { puts -nonewline $chan [html_link "/object/$fsid" $fsid] } else { puts -nonewline $chan $fsid } puts $chan "$date$size" } puts -nonewline $chan [html_table_end] puts $chan [html_end] } proc do_object {chan path objectid} { puts $chan [html_start $path] puts $chan "
"

set db [dbopen]
transaction {
if { [regexp {([0-9]*)/(.*)} $objectid junk fsid subobjid] } {
set obj [db $db openidconstruction $fsid $subobjid]
} else {
set obj [db $db openid $objectid]
}
puts $chan [DumpObject_html $db $obj]
}
puts $chan "
" puts $chan [html_end] } proc action_object {chan objectid} { if {[string index $objectid 0] == "/"} { set objectid [string range $objectid 1 end] } do_object $chan "" $objectid } proc action_mfs {chan path} { if {$path == "" } { set path "/" } if {[catch {transaction {mfs find $path}} l] != 0} { puts $chan [html_start ""] puts $chan $l puts $chan [html_end] } else { set type [lindex $l 1] if {$type == "tyDir"} { do_dir $chan $path } elseif {$type == "tyDb"} { do_object $chan $path [lindex $l 0] } } } proc action_Image {chan path} { set fsid [string trimleft $path "/"] transaction { set size [mfs size $fsid] } set blocksize 4096 puts $chan "HTTP/1.0 200 OK\r" puts $chan [format "Date: %s GMT\r" [clock format [clock seconds] -format "%a, %d %b %Y %T" -gmt true]] puts $chan "Connection: close\r" puts $chan "Content-Length: $size\r" puts $chan "Content-Type: image/png\r" puts $chan "\r" catch {fconfigure $chan -translation binary} transaction { for {set i 0} {$i < $size} {incr i $blocksize} { set s [min $blocksize [expr $size - $i]] set block [mfs getpart $fsid $i $s] puts -nonewline $chan $block } } } proc action_NowShowing {chan path} { puts $chan [html_start "Now Showing"] ForeachMfsFile fsid name type "/Recording/NowShowing" "" { if {$type == "tyDb"} { set db [dbopen] transaction { set obj [db $db openidconstruction $fsid 11] foreach attr [dbobj $obj attrs] { if {$attr == "Program"} { if { [dbobj $obj attrtype $attr] == "object" } { foreach subObj [dbobj $obj gettarget $attr] { regexp {([0-9]*)/(.*)} $subObj junk part1 part2 puts $chan "
" set subSubObj [db $db openidconstruction $part1 $part2] foreach attr2 [dbobj $subSubObj attrs] { if {$attr2 == "Title" || $attr2 == "Description" || $attr2 == "EpisodeTitle" } { foreach subSubSubObj [dbobj $subSubObj get $attr2] { puts -nonewline $chan $attr2 puts -nonewline $chan ": " puts -nonewline $chan $subSubSubObj puts $chan "
" } } } } } } } set tystreams "" foreach id {12 14 15 16 17 18 19} { if {[catch {set obj [db $db openidconstruction $fsid $id]}] == 0} { foreach attr [dbobj $obj attrs] { if {$attr == "File"} { foreach subObj [dbobj $obj get $attr] { append tystreams "/$subObj" } } } } else {break} } puts -nonewline $chan [html_link "/tystream$tystreams" "TyStream: $tystreams"] puts $chan "

" } } } puts $chan [html_end] } proc action_tystream {chan path} { set second "" while { 0 < [regexp {^/([0-9]+)(.*)$} $path dummy first path]} { set second "$second $first" } puts "ExtractStream -s $second 2>/dev/null >/var/tmp/mpeg &" catch {exec "mknod" "/var/tmp/mpeg" "p" } fconfigure $chan -buffering none -translation binary -blocking 1 exec /bin/bash -c "/hack/bin/ExtractStream -s $second >/var/tmp/mpeg 2>/dev/null" & set handle [open "/var/tmp/mpeg" r] fconfigure $handle -blocking 1 -translation binary -buffering none while { ![eof $handle ] } {puts -nonewline $chan [read $handle 1048576]} close $handle } proc action_remount {chan path} { if {[string index $path 0] == "/"} { set path [string range $path 1 end] } puts $chan [html_start ""] puts $chan "TiVoHack Web Root Remount $path
" if {$path == "ro" } { puts $chan "/ Remounted Read Only" exec mount -oremount,ro / } elseif {$path == "rw" } { puts $chan "/ remounted Read Write" exec mount -oremount,rw / } puts $chan "Remount /
" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link "ro" "Read Only"] puts $chan "
" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link "rw" "Read Write"] puts $chan [html_end] } proc action_sendkey {chan path} { if {[string index $path 0] == "/"} { set path [string range $path 1 end] } puts $chan [html_start "TivoHack Web Remote"] if {$path != "" } { SendKey $path puts $chan "Last Key Sent $path
" } puts $chan [html_table_start "BORDER=1" "" ""] puts -nonewline $chan "" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link "power" "Power"] puts -nonewline $chan "" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link "tivo" "TiVo"] puts -nonewline $chan "" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link "livetv" "Live TV/Guide"] puts $chan "" puts -nonewline $chan "" puts $chan [html_table_start "BORDER=1" "" ""] puts -nonewline $chan "" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link "up" "Up"] puts $chan "" puts -nonewline $chan "" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link "left" "Left"] puts -nonewline $chan "" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link "right" "Right"] puts $chan "" puts -nonewline $chan "" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link "down" "Down"] puts -nonewline $chan "" puts -nonewline $chan [html_table_end] puts $chan "" puts -nonewline $chan "" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link "thumbsdown" "Thumbs Down"] puts -nonewline $chan "" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link "select" "Select"] puts -nonewline $chan "" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link "thumbsup" "Thumbs Up"] puts $chan "" puts -nonewline $chan "" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link "volumeUp" "volumeUp"] puts -nonewline $chan "" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link "mute" "mute"] puts -nonewline $chan "" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link "surfup" "surfup"] puts $chan "" puts -nonewline $chan "" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link "volumeDown" "volumeDown"] puts -nonewline $chan "" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link "save" "save"] puts -nonewline $chan "" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link "surfdown" "surfdown"] puts $chan "" puts -nonewline $chan "" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link "play" "play"] puts $chan "" puts -nonewline $chan "" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link "reverse" "reverse"] puts -nonewline $chan "" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link "pause" "pause"] puts -nonewline $chan "" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link "forward" "forward"] puts $chan "" puts -nonewline $chan "" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link "replay" "replay"] puts -nonewline $chan "" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link "playslow" "playslow"] puts -nonewline $chan "" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link "catchup" "catchup"] puts $chan "" puts -nonewline $chan "" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link 1 1] puts -nonewline $chan "" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link 2 2] puts -nonewline $chan "" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link 3 3] puts $chan "" puts -nonewline $chan "" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link 4 4] puts -nonewline $chan "" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link 5 5] puts -nonewline $chan "" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link 6 6] puts $chan "" puts -nonewline $chan "" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link 7 7] puts -nonewline $chan "" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link 8 8] puts -nonewline $chan "" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link 9 9] puts $chan "" puts -nonewline $chan "" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link "clear" "Clear"] puts -nonewline $chan "" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link 0 0] puts -nonewline $chan "" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link "enter" "Enter"] puts $chan "" puts -nonewline $chan [html_table_end] puts $chan "

" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link "bookmark" "bookmark"] puts $chan "
" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link "display" "display"] puts $chan "
" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link "directv" "directv"] puts $chan "
" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link "surfCommit" "surfCommit"] puts $chan "
" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link "standby" "standby"] puts $chan "
" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link "nowShowing" "nowShowing"] puts $chan "
" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link "replay" "replay"] puts $chan "
" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link "delimiter" "delimiter"] puts $chan "
" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link "guide" "guide"] puts $chan "
" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link "displayAndLeft" "displayAndLeft"] puts $chan " (System Test on Combo)
" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link "displayAndRight" "displayAndRight"] puts $chan " (System Diagnostics on Combo))
" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link "selectAndDown" "selectAndDown"] puts $chan " (Clear Program Data on Combo)
" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link "selectAndUp" "selectAndUp"] puts $chan " (System Information on Combo)
" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link "power" "power"] puts $chan "
" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link "dumpState" "dumpState"] puts $chan "
" puts $chan [html_end] } proc action_quit {chan dummy} { global quit puts $chan [html_start ""] puts $chan "Server has terminated." puts $chan [html_end] set quit 1 } proc action_ {chan dummy} { puts $chan [html_start ""] puts -nonewline $chan [html_link "NowShowing" "Now Showing"] puts $chan "
" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link "mfs/" "mfs"] puts $chan "
" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link "sendkey/" "TiVo Web Remote"] puts $chan "
" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link "remount/" "Remount Root Filesystem"] puts $chan "

" puts -nonewline $chan [html_link "quit" "Terminate the web server"] puts $chan [html_end] } proc session {chan addr port} { set head_req 0 while {[gets $chan line] >= 0} { if {$line == "\r"} break if {$line == ""} break if {[regexp -nocase {^get +(.*) +http/[0-9]+\.[0-9]+.?$} $line dummy path] == 1} { continue } if {[regexp -nocase {^head +(.*) +http/[0-9]+\.[0-9]+.?$} $line dummy path] == 1} { set head_req 1 continue } } if {$path == ""} { close $chan return } if {[regexp {^/([-_A-Za-z0-9]*)(.*)} $path dummy action part] == 1} { if {$action != "Image"} { puts $chan "HTTP/1.0 200 OK\r" puts $chan [format "Date: %s GMT\r" [clock format [clock seconds] -format "%a, %d %b %Y %T" -gmt true]] puts $chan "Connection: close\r" puts $chan "Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1\r" puts $chan "\r" } if {$head_req == 1} { close $chan return } if {[info procs "action_$action"] == "action_$action"} { catch [action_$action $chan $part] } else { action_ $chan $part } } else { action_ $chan "" } close $chan } global quit set quit 0 socket -server session 80 vwait quit ============================================================================= From sharkey@a... Sun Jun 10 04:02:49 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sharkey@s... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 10 Jun 2001 11:02:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 6236 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2001 11:02:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 10 Jun 2001 11:02:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ale.physics.sunysb.edu) (129.49.56.40) by mta3 with SMTP; 10 Jun 2001 11:02:48 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=superk.physics.sunysb.edu) by ale.physics.sunysb.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 1592zX-00054b-00 for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2001 07:02:47 -0400 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy Subject: audio ok, but corrupted video? Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 07:02:47 -0400 Sender: sharkey@s... Message-Id: X-eGroups-From: sharkey@s... From: sharkey@a... Ok, I followed the instructions that used to be posted on the 9thtee site and pulled a 30 minute medium quality stream off my tivo. (16 hours over the serial link, ugh, TivoNet ordered) I haven't been able to play the files I got, though. The audio file seems to be a normal mpeg 1 layer 2 audio file and that plays just fine with mpg123. The video file is identified as mpeg video file by the file command, but when I run it through mplex, I get: marvin% mplex -f 2 -m 2 -o program1.mpeg2 program1.m2[av] INFO: mplex version 1.4.1 (7.12.2000) INFO: File program1.m2a is a 11172-3 Audio stream. INFO: File program1.m2v is a MPEG-1/2 Video stream. INFO: Scanning Video stream for access units information. INFO: VIDEO STREAM: INFO: nStream length : 682563565 INFO: Sequence start : 4117 INFO: Sequence end : 0 INFO: No. Pictures : 62925 INFO: No. Groups : 4117 INFO: No. I Frames : 4117 avg. size 38024 bytes INFO: No. P Frames : 16983 avg. size 16661 bytes INFO: No. B Frames : 41825 avg. size 5811 bytes INFO: No. D Frames : 0 avg. size 0 bytes INFO: Horizontal size: 352 INFO: Vertical size : 480 INFO: Aspect ratio : 0.6735 INFO: Picture rate : 29.970 frames/sec [lots more INFO clipped] INFO: New sequence commences... INFO: sectors muxed: audio=0000000 video=00000000 padding=0000000 **ERROR: Likely buffer under-run at video sector 105 **ERROR: Likely buffer under-run at video sector 105 **ERROR: Likely buffer under-run at video sector 105 **ERROR: Likely buffer under-run at video sector 105 **ERROR: Likely buffer under-run at video sector 105 **ERROR: Likely buffer under-run at video sector 105 It produces less than 2MB worth of mpeg2 output. When I try to play that, I can hear just fine, but the video is garbled and corrupt. And it only lasts for about 4 seconds. Has anyone else seen something like this? When I ran ExtractStream, I did get some Bad chunk errors and sequence number errors. Is this normal? [TiVo [p0] root]# ExtractStream 267097 267103 Attempting to locate tyStream with fsid 267097... Sector FSID passed (41359) failed to match the FSID value in the sector (1359). ...tyStream located, sector map follows: Start Length 01a80000 00080000 00c40000 00040000 00c80000 00040000 Block: 1a80000 Count: 524288 Total blocks 3 /dev/hda10 has 0x00100000 sectors /dev/hda11 has 0x03606c00 sectors Bad chunk, skipping Bad chunk, skipping000 Block: c40000 Count: 262144 Total blocks 3 Block: c80000 Count: 262144 Total blocks 3 Sequence number bogus 26503c!=247438 at record 0 of 51 Sequence number bogus 249700!=229e48 at record 0 of 50 Bad chunk, skipping000 Attempting to locate tyStream with fsid 267103... ...tyStream located, sector map follows: Start Length 00e00000 00040000 00e40000 00020000 00e60000 00004000 Block: e00000 Count: 262144 Total blocks 3 Bad chunk, skipping000 Block: e40000 Count: 131072 Total blocks 3 Sequence number bogus 267dc0!=24a948 at record 0 of 61 Block: e60000 Count: 16384 Total blocks 3 Sequence number bogus 211b90!=2c04c0 at record 0 of 51 Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=24946c at record 0 of 64 Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=266b90 at record 0 of 63 Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=283c78 at record 0 of 56 Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=2a200c at record 7 of 59 audio failure 0x4f4:0:0x170 0x24:0x69:0x1a Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=2bf338 at record 0 of 69 Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=20f7ac at record 0 of 64 Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=22c138 at record 0 of 52 Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=24aaec at record 0 of 62 Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=2682b0 at record 0 of 71 Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=284f34 at record 0 of 60 Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=2a23c8 at record 0 of 56 Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=2c063c at record 0 of 60 Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=211228 at record 0 of 69 Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=22db6c at record 0 of 52 Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=24c1a4 at record 0 of 70 Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=2688e8 at record 4 of 57 audio failure 0x4d4:0:0x18c 0xca:0x18:0xe1 Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=286660 at record 0 of 58 Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=2a3edc at record 7 of 63 audio failure 0x4d4:0:0xc0 0x77:0x1f:0x4c Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=2c12d0 at record 0 of 60 Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=2121b8 at record 0 of 50 Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=22fddc at record 0 of 70 Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=24ca7c at record 2 of 66 Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=26a504 at record 0 of 61 Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=288054 at record 0 of 61 Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=2a5164 at record 0 of 67 Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=2c1abc at record 0 of 58 Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=212da4 at record 0 of 50 Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=2309d8 at record 0 of 66 Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=24dd6c at record 0 of 61 Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=26b1e4 at record 0 of 60 Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=289278 at record 5 of 69 audio failure 0x5a4:0:0x224 0xc5:0x91:0x64 Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=2a59e8 at record 0 of 58 Flushing buffers Eric From fuggus@y... Sun Jun 10 17:03:08 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: fuggus@y... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 11 Jun 2001 00:03:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 67317 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2001 00:03:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2001 00:03:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hp.egroups.com) (10.1.2.220) by mta1 with SMTP; 11 Jun 2001 00:03:08 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: fuggus@y... Received: from [10.1.2.56] by hp.egroups.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2001 00:02:56 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 00:02:53 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: anyone shed some light on how to use TMPGEnc? Message-ID: <9g11rd+dkh7@e...> In-Reply-To: <9ftqhp+nj1t@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 909 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 65.33.186.137 From: fuggus@y... --- In ExtractStream@y..., iam@t... wrote: > > You may have an MPEG2 codec problem with TMPGenc. When did you > first > > download it? It only works for 30 days from install (except you can > > mess with the system date). Try installing something like ligos > mpeg > > decoder, and try and view the .m2v file directly in Windows Media > > Player. It should work fine, but without audio. > > > > Also... a dumb question. Apart from placing the Tivo-VCD Template > in > > the directory, did you select it for use? > > I installed the latest version of TMPGenc last night, and I did load > the Tivo-VCD settings Template (Stream Type: System(Video+Audio)). It > just will not let me load the .m2v file (File "e:\tivoprogram1.m2v" > can not open, or unsupported) > > I will try the ligos decoder as well. > > Thanks. same problem here... ...a huntin' codecs i will go, huntin' i will go.... :) From nickhull@y... Mon Jun 11 08:15:41 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: nickhull@y... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 11 Jun 2001 15:15:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 80134 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2001 15:13:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2001 15:13:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mw.egroups.com) (10.1.2.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 11 Jun 2001 15:13:30 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: nickhull@y... Received: from [10.1.10.64] by mw.egroups.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2001 15:13:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:13:29 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: ExtractStream revisions Message-ID: <9g2n6p+pcjk@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 391 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 209.37.240.53 From: nickhull@y... The next version of ExtractStream is in the works. It will contain several bug fixes including.... Correct identification of TyStream sequence restart. Correction of finding first video frame. Looking at only drives installed (for single drive systems). This should take care of most of the first wave of problems mentioned in this group. Thanks for your continued interest. Nick Hull From iam@t... Mon Jun 11 08:44:23 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: iam@t... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 11 Jun 2001 15:44:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 67852 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2001 15:43:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2001 15:43:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fl.egroups.com) (10.1.10.48) by mta1 with SMTP; 11 Jun 2001 15:43:49 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: iam@t... Received: from [10.1.10.68] by fl.egroups.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2001 15:43:49 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:43:47 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: ExtractStream revisions Message-ID: <9g2ovj+1156@e...> In-Reply-To: <9g2n6p+pcjk@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 478 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 4.33.32.103 From: iam@t... Thank you. --- In ExtractStream@y..., nickhull@y... wrote: > The next version of ExtractStream is in the works. It will contain > several bug fixes including.... > > Correct identification of TyStream sequence restart. > Correction of finding first video frame. > Looking at only drives installed (for single drive systems). > > This should take care of most of the first wave of problems mentioned > in this group. > > Thanks for your continued interest. > > Nick Hull From syth@m... Mon Jun 11 11:44:26 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: syth@m... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 11 Jun 2001 18:44:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 35806 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2001 18:43:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2001 18:43:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout.mac.com) (204.179.120.88) by mta3 with SMTP; 11 Jun 2001 18:43:52 -0000 Received: by smtpout.mac.com; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 11:43:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp02.mac.com ([10.13.10.66]) by smtp-relay01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GES40F00.V4D for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 11:43:27 -0700 Received: from sgpc-7md339x9j7.mac.com ([216.160.165.65]) by asmtp02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 asmtp02 Jun 6 2001 13:16:42) with ESMTP id GES40E00.UIO for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 11:43:26 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010611124234.031d16e8@m...> X-Sender: syth@m... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 12:43:25 -0600 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ExtractStream] audio ok, but corrupted video? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: Syth At 07:02 6/10/2001 -0400, you wrote: >Ok, I followed the instructions that used to be posted on the 9thtee used to be? 9thtee pulled the instructions? Are the instruction duplicated in the tgz file? From robertw@w... Mon Jun 11 12:10:05 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: robertw@w... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 11 Jun 2001 19:10:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 84144 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2001 19:09:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2001 19:09:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server1.wojo.com) (216.42.139.184) by mta3 with SMTP; 11 Jun 2001 19:09:18 -0000 Received: from moe.wojo.net (localhost.wojo.com [127.0.0.1]) by server1.wojo.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42FBCAFDC for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:09:16 -0400 (EDT) content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: [ExtractStream] audio ok, but corrupted video? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:09:13 -0400 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4417.0 Message-ID: <16DC0F334516F5478EC60CADEDB6A68410DB0B@m...> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [ExtractStream] audio ok, but corrupted video? Thread-Index: AcDypra28b43dbL7R5GiefcCVuWzFwAAvs9A To: From: "Robert S. Wojciechowski Jr." http://www.9thtee.com/ExtractStream.html =20=20 is now forwarded to=20 http://tweek.wojo.com/tivo/ =20 =20 Which is now up, I just checked it and it was down (d'oh). I just rebooted the server after upgrading the RAM, and for some reason the web server didn't start up automatically.=20 =20 -- Robert S. Wojciechowski Jr. robertw@w... =20 -----Original Message----- From: Syth [mailto:syth@m...]=20 Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 2:43 PM To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ExtractStream] audio ok, but corrupted video? =20 At 07:02 6/10/2001 -0400, you wrote: >Ok, I followed the instructions that used to be posted on the 9thtee used to be? 9thtee pulled the instructions? Are the instruction duplicated in the tgz file? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor YAHOO! DOMAINS =20 YAHOO! DOMAINS =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ExtractStream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 From nonesuch773@y... Mon Jun 11 12:27:58 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: nonesuch773@y... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 11 Jun 2001 19:27:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 52114 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2001 19:25:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2001 19:25:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hk.egroups.com) (10.1.10.43) by mta1 with SMTP; 11 Jun 2001 19:25:01 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: nonesuch773@y... Received: from [10.1.2.240] by hk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2001 19:24:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 19:24:46 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Directivo, TivoNET, and ExtractStream Message-ID: <9g35tu+nj05@e...> In-Reply-To: <9fu4tr+ii51@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 763 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 163.192.21.14 From: "The Nonesuch" > I have a SAT60 and as far as I know, that means the TivoNET from > 9thTee won't work for me (it won't fit, I guess). So I guess I'm out > of luck when it comes to using ExtractStream since I have nowhere to > move the extracted videos. Well, if it's strictly a problem of how things are located inside the chassis, the easy answer is, get rid of the old chassis, and move the drives off to the side where they no longer interfere with the card edge connector... > My question is, are all of you using the TivoNET/ExtractStream combo > with the standalone Tivo units, or has anyone been able to do this on > DirecTivo? I've been told that ExtractStream itself is incompatible with DirecTiVo, apart from any physical fit problem with TiVoNet. From syth@m... Mon Jun 11 12:40:49 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: syth@m... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 11 Jun 2001 19:40:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 6951 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2001 19:36:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 11 Jun 2001 19:36:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout.mac.com) (204.179.120.88) by mta3 with SMTP; 11 Jun 2001 19:36:00 -0000 Received: by smtpout.mac.com; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 12:34:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp01.mac.com ([10.13.10.65]) by smtp-relay02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GES6DM00.TPP for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 12:34:34 -0700 Received: from sgpc-7md339x9j7.mac.com ([216.160.165.65]) by asmtp01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 asmtp01 Jun 6 2001 13:16:42) with ESMTP id GES6DL00.NFV for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 12:34:33 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010611133217.032d8310@m...> X-Sender: syth@m... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 13:34:31 -0600 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ExtractStream] Re: Directivo, TivoNET, and ExtractStream In-Reply-To: <9g35tu+nj05@e...> References: <9fu4tr+ii51@e...> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: Syth At 19:24 6/11/2001 +0000, you wrote: > > I have a SAT60 and as far as I know, that means the TivoNET from > > 9thTee won't work for me (it won't fit, I guess). So I guess I'm >out > > of luck when it comes to using ExtractStream since I have nowhere to > > move the extracted videos. > >Well, if it's strictly a problem of how things are located inside the >chassis, the easy answer is, get rid of the old chassis, and move the >drives off to the side where they no longer interfere with the card >edge connector... > > > My question is, are all of you using the TivoNET/ExtractStream combo > > with the standalone Tivo units, or has anyone been able to do this >on > > DirecTivo? > >I've been told that ExtractStream itself is incompatible with >DirecTiVo, apart from any physical fit problem with TiVoNet. Since DirectTV uses their own compression scheme (and remember, the DirectTiVo doesn't have a quality setting, right?) then ExtractStream couldn't possibly work. I don't use DirectTV or DirectTiVo, but that is my understanding from sporadic reading of the Underground over the last year or two. From tivo_extract@p... Mon Jun 11 12:53:08 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: eric@p... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 11 Jun 2001 19:53:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 78113 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2001 19:44:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2001 19:44:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bhsi.com) (199.180.18.5) by mta2 with SMTP; 11 Jun 2001 19:44:49 -0000 Received: by pcbhi266.bhsi.com id <115220>; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:44:25 -0400 Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 16:44:45 -0400 X-Mailer: i.Scribe v1.44 (Win32 Release) To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: eric@p... (Eric Vitiello) Subject: Re: [ExtractStream] Re: Directivo, TivoNET, and ExtractStream MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <01Jun11.154425edt.115220@p...> X-eGroups-From: eric@p... (Eric Vitiello) From: tivo_extract@p... > At 19:24 6/11/2001 +0000, you wrote: > > > I have a SAT60 and as far as I know, that means the TivoNET from > > > 9thTee won't work for me (it won't fit, I guess). So I guess I'm > >out > > > of luck when it comes to using ExtractStream since I have nowhere to > > > move the extracted videos. > > > >Well, if it's strictly a problem of how things are located inside the > >chassis, the easy answer is, get rid of the old chassis, and move the > >drives off to the side where they no longer interfere with the card > >edge connector... > > > > > My question is, are all of you using the TivoNET/ExtractStream combo > > > with the standalone Tivo units, or has anyone been able to do this > >on > > > DirecTivo? > > > >I've been told that ExtractStream itself is incompatible with > >DirecTiVo, apart from any physical fit problem with TiVoNet. > > Since DirectTV uses their own compression scheme (and remember, the > DirectTiVo doesn't have a quality setting, right?) then ExtractStream > couldn't possibly work. > > I don't use DirectTV or DirectTiVo, but that is my understanding from > sporadic reading of the Underground over the last year or two. I believe (from what I've gathered) that DirecTV broadcasts in MPEG-2, with macrovision encoding. But from what I've read, the macrovision encoding is stripped, and then the MPEG-2 is saved directly to the drive. Not sure what the ExtractStream software is meant to handle, but I thought the SA TiVOs used MPEG-2 as well. --Eric From nickhull@y... Mon Jun 11 13:11:13 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: nickhull@y... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 11 Jun 2001 20:11:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 38128 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2001 20:02:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2001 20:02:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hm.egroups.com) (10.1.10.45) by mta1 with SMTP; 11 Jun 2001 20:02:45 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: nickhull@y... Received: from [10.1.4.67] by hm.egroups.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2001 20:02:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:02:44 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Directivo, TivoNET, and ExtractStream Message-ID: <9g3854+aobj@e...> In-Reply-To: <01Jun11.154425edt.115220@p...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 823 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 209.37.240.53 From: nickhull@y... > > I believe (from what I've gathered) that DirecTV broadcasts in MPEG- 2, with macrovision encoding. But from what I've read, the macrovision encoding is stripped, and then the MPEG-2 is saved directly to the drive. > > Not sure what the ExtractStream software is meant to handle, but I thought the SA TiVOs used MPEG-2 as well. > > --Eric It's very likely that the DirectTivo streams could be extracted in a similar fashion to SA. However, you will not catch me writing code for this - and I would say that anyone who releases such code is a fool waiting for a lawsuit. As it stands, the ExtractStream/mplex combination will not work with the DirectTivo. There are several issues that will make it fail. Please discover for yourself what these issues are, I have no desire to assist in that effort. Nick From tivo_extract@p... Mon Jun 11 13:26:43 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: eric@p... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 11 Jun 2001 20:26:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 99434 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2001 20:21:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2001 20:21:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bhsi.com) (199.180.18.5) by mta3 with SMTP; 11 Jun 2001 20:21:25 -0000 Received: by pcbhi266.bhsi.com id <115213>; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 16:20:48 -0400 Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:21:07 -0400 X-Mailer: i.Scribe v1.44 (Win32 Release) To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: eric@p... (Eric Vitiello) Subject: RE: [ExtractStream] Re: Directivo, TivoNET, and ExtractStream MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <01Jun11.162048edt.115213@p...> X-eGroups-From: eric@p... (Eric Vitiello) From: tivo_extract@p... > > > > I believe (from what I've gathered) that DirecTV broadcasts in MPEG- > 2, with macrovision encoding. But from what I've read, the > macrovision encoding is stripped, and then the MPEG-2 is saved > directly to the drive. > > > > Not sure what the ExtractStream software is meant to handle, but I > thought the SA TiVOs used MPEG-2 as well. > > > > --Eric > > It's very likely that the DirectTivo streams could be extracted in a > similar fashion to SA. However, you will not catch me writing code > for this - and I would say that anyone who releases such code is a > fool waiting for a lawsuit. > > As it stands, the ExtractStream/mplex combination will not work with > the DirectTivo. There are several issues that will make it fail. > Please discover for yourself what these issues are, I have no desire > to assist in that effort. By the following, I'm not meaning to start a flame war: It seems to me that there _should_ not be much more legal problems with extracting the DirecTiVO data as opposed to the SA data. DirecTV does not own the content, they only own the method in which it is delivered. Under copyright law, I should be able to do anything I want with the stream, in good faith. I of course would not be selling the data to anyone, I would be using it for my own personal viewing. In addition to this, if my belief that the DirecTiVO box itself removes the macrovision encoding, anyone using an extrator to get the stream off the box would not be liable for unencrypting the data - DirecTV did it themselves. On top of all of this, there *IS* a dump to VCR option in the system itself... what is so different between me putting the data on another computer and watching it, as opposed to putting it on a VHS tape and watching it (with the exception of the loss of quality). As I understand it, I paid for the stream. if I didn't, what exactly is the monthly fee for? =) Maybe in the future companies will become less afraid of competition, and will move towards advancing technology, and finding ways to harvest the profits from the new technology. But I doubt it. .. ahhh to dream of a firewire port in my DirecTiVO. Looks like it's time to learn C. --Eric From fuggus@y... Mon Jun 11 13:51:18 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: fuggus@y... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 11 Jun 2001 20:51:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 87198 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2001 20:50:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2001 20:50:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cj.egroups.com) (10.1.2.82) by mta1 with SMTP; 11 Jun 2001 20:50:32 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: fuggus@y... Received: from [10.1.10.116] by cj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2001 20:50:32 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:50:28 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Directivo, TivoNET, and ExtractStream Message-ID: <9g3auk+te4q@e...> In-Reply-To: <01Jun11.162048edt.115213@p...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3004 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 65.33.186.137 From: fuggus@y... --- In ExtractStream@y..., tivo_extract@p... wrote: > > > > > > I believe (from what I've gathered) that DirecTV broadcasts in MPEG- > > 2, with macrovision encoding. But from what I've read, the > > macrovision encoding is stripped, and then the MPEG-2 is saved > > directly to the drive. > > > > > > Not sure what the ExtractStream software is meant to handle, but I > > thought the SA TiVOs used MPEG-2 as well. > > > > > > --Eric > > > > It's very likely that the DirectTivo streams could be extracted in a > > similar fashion to SA. However, you will not catch me writing code > > for this - and I would say that anyone who releases such code is a > > fool waiting for a lawsuit. > > > > As it stands, the ExtractStream/mplex combination will not work with > > the DirectTivo. There are several issues that will make it fail. > > Please discover for yourself what these issues are, I have no desire > > to assist in that effort. > > By the following, I'm not meaning to start a flame war: > > It seems to me that there _should_ not be much more legal problems with extracting the DirecTiVO data as opposed to the SA data. DirecTV does not own the content, they only own the method in which it is delivered. Under copyright law, I should be able to do anything I want with the stream, in good faith. I of course would not be selling the data to anyone, I would be using it for my own personal viewing. > > In addition to this, if my belief that the DirecTiVO box itself removes the macrovision encoding, anyone using an extrator to get the stream off the box would not be liable for unencrypting the data - DirecTV did it themselves. > > On top of all of this, there *IS* a dump to VCR option in the system itself... what is so different between me putting the data on another computer and watching it, as opposed to putting it on a VHS tape and watching it (with the exception of the loss of quality). > > As I understand it, I paid for the stream. if I didn't, what exactly is the monthly fee for? =) > > Maybe in the future companies will become less afraid of competition, and will move towards advancing technology, and finding ways to harvest the profits from the new technology. But I doubt it. > > .. ahhh to dream of a firewire port in my DirecTiVO. > > Looks like it's time to learn C. > > --Eric our lawmaking bodies have deemed there to be a fundamental difference between analog and digital data, and have applied different rules to each. vcr's ok for archiving.(analog) tivo's not.(digital) standalone loophole: all video fed into the standalone tivo is analog. (digitized by converters in the tivo) covered by analog rules. directivo? the mpeg2 stream never get's converted to analog form. digital - straight to disk. covered by digital rules. that seems to be the argument. now i'll quit befor i throw opions in here..... :) (i'm taking great liberties and making generalizations here for simplicity's sake, forgive me...) From markb@y... Mon Jun 11 13:57:16 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: markb@y... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 11 Jun 2001 20:57:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 11971 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2001 20:56:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2001 20:56:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mo.egroups.com) (10.1.1.34) by mta1 with SMTP; 11 Jun 2001 20:56:39 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: markb@y... Received: from [10.1.10.99] by mo.egroups.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2001 20:56:39 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:56:35 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Directivo, TivoNET, and ExtractStream Message-ID: <9g3ba3+10q8e@e...> In-Reply-To: <01Jun11.162048edt.115213@p...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 922 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 129.46.176.138 From: markb@y... --- In ExtractStream@y..., tivo_extract@p... wrote: > In addition to this, if my belief that the DirecTiVO box itself > removes the macrovision encoding, anyone using an extrator to get > the stream off the box would not be liable for unencrypting the > data - DirecTV did it themselves. I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure Macrovision isn't anything that could be confused with encryption. It's just some extra "noise" in the analog output that confuses VCRs. With DVDs, it's basically just a flag that tells the DVD player that is should add the Macrovision "noise" to the video output. If DirecTV supports Macrovision, it probably works in a similar way. But I'm not even sure if DirecTV support Macrovision. Has anybody here come across any DirecTV programming that they had trouble recording with a VCR? I would suspect that if DirecTV were to use Macrovision it would be on the PPV channels. -Mark From nonesuch773@y... Mon Jun 11 22:31:28 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: nonesuch773@y... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 12 Jun 2001 05:31:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 64800 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2001 05:31:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2001 05:31:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ef.egroups.com) (10.1.2.111) by mta1 with SMTP; 12 Jun 2001 05:31:23 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: nonesuch773@y... Received: from [10.1.2.240] by ef.egroups.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2001 05:30:46 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 05:30:29 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: C|Net News.com article on the censorship at AVS Message-ID: <9g49dl+m97g@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 544 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 205.166.42.5 From: "The Nonesuch" A reasonably balanced article on the recent censorship at AVS: http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-6249739.html?tag=mn_hd They have comments from David, and from TiVo, but nothing from any of the hackers, and the article devolves into a discussion of the DMCA, DeCSS, and the SDMI watermarking challenge. Perhaps somebody would like to point out this issue to some place like LWN.net where they can actually do the subject justice? I'm collecting links relevant to ExtractStream here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ExtractStream/links From ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Mon Jun 11 22:39:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 61218 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2001 05:39:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2001 05:39:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hh.egroups.com) (10.1.10.40) by mta1 with SMTP; 12 Jun 2001 05:39:41 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [10.1.2.163] by hh.egroups.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2001 05:39:41 -0000 Date: 12 Jun 2001 05:39:36 -0000 Message-ID: <992324376.528.13506.h9@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: poll From: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: New poll for ExtractStream MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the ExtractStream group: Should the discussion list stay as a Yahoo! group, or should we plan to migrate elsewhere? o Stay with Yahoo! groups. o Move to a UBB forum (the software AVS uses). o I prefer a traditional mailing list (Majordomo, mailman, etc). o Move everything onto a SourceForge project (I tried once, they rejected ExtractStream). o I don't like the Yahoo! interface, but I'm not sure what would be better o I know what would be better, but it's not a choice- I'll explain in a post to the list. To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ExtractStream/polls Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks! From sharkey@a... Tue Jun 12 04:34:52 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sharkey@s... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 12 Jun 2001 11:34:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 68866 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2001 11:34:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 12 Jun 2001 11:34:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ale.physics.sunysb.edu) (129.49.56.40) by mta2 with SMTP; 12 Jun 2001 11:34:42 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=superk.physics.sunysb.edu) by ale.physics.sunysb.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 159mRV-0005na-00 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 07:34:41 -0400 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy Subject: Re: [ExtractStream] Re: Directivo, TivoNET, and ExtractStream In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:50:28 -0000." <9g3auk+te4q@e...> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 07:34:41 -0400 Sender: sharkey@s... Message-Id: X-eGroups-From: sharkey@s... From: sharkey@a... > our lawmaking bodies have deemed there to be a fundamental difference > between analog and digital data, and have applied different rules to > each. But this just either represents the lack of technological understanding of the lawmaking bodies or an execuse used by lawmakers to cater to the corporate entertainment industry. People like to introduce digital media as "new" and as such requiring additional protections not necessary with analog works. In reality, it's totally flipped around. The copyright laws written in the 18th century were designed primarily with digital works in mind. (Any work expressed as text is by its nature digital. All books, stories, poems, etc. all possess the capability for infinite serial copying which the entertainment industry claims makes modern digital media require additional protections.) The DMCA is an attempt by the entertainment industry to remove both the fair use rights as well as the right of first sale (via region coding) previously explicitly allowed by copyright law. Eventually, this law will be struck down as unconstitutional, but this will be done by the courts, not the legislature. As it stands now, the law is not self consistent. Activities explicitly allowed under U.S. Title 17 Chapter 1 sections 107 and 109 (and possibly others) (http://www.loc.gov/copyright/title17/92chap1.html) are effectively prohibited by the DMCA's restrictions in section 1201 of the same document, despite the claims of 1201(c)(1) to the contrary. > directivo? > the mpeg2 stream never get's converted to analog form. > digital - straight to disk. > covered by digital rules. True, but is the stream protected by a technological measure which effectively controls access to the work? If there's a standard MPEG-2 file on a standard hard drive, connected to a network aware computer which can be accessed using standard and open protocols, what technological measure can you say was put in place by the copyright holder to protect his work? What access controls are being bypassed? If there are no such measures, then tools for extracting such streams are legal. Redistributing the streams themselves or substantial portions of them is still illegal, of course. Eric From nickhull@y... Tue Jun 12 08:02:52 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: nickhull@y... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 12 Jun 2001 15:02:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 96653 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2001 15:00:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2001 15:00:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mk.egroups.com) (10.1.1.30) by mta1 with SMTP; 12 Jun 2001 15:00:59 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: nickhull@y... Received: from [10.1.2.59] by mk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2001 15:00:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:00:59 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New poll for ExtractStream Message-ID: <9g5arb+nll4@e...> In-Reply-To: <992324376.528.13506.h9@yahoogroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1190 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 209.37.240.53 From: nickhull@y... I would much prefer that everyone used: http://www.linux-hacker.net/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.pl? Action=ShowBoard&Board=tivohacks It has a useable interface and it is already frequented by some of the TiVo hackers. Thanks. --- In ExtractStream@y..., ExtractStream@y... wrote: > > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the > ExtractStream group: > > Should the discussion list stay as a > Yahoo! group, or should we plan to > migrate elsewhere? > > o Stay with Yahoo! groups. > o Move to a UBB forum (the software AVS uses). > o I prefer a traditional mailing list (Majordomo, mailman, etc). > o Move everything onto a SourceForge project (I tried once, they rejected ExtractStream). > o I don't like the Yahoo! interface, but I'm not sure what would be better > o I know what would be better, but it's not a choice- I'll explain in a post to the list. > > > To vote, please visit the following web page: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ExtractStream/polls > > Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are > not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups > web site listed above. > > Thanks! From benr@e... Tue Jun 12 09:29:16 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: benr@e... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 12 Jun 2001 16:29:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 35631 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2001 16:28:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2001 16:28:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO yogi.inside.efficient.com) (12.39.97.1) by mta2 with SMTP; 12 Jun 2001 16:28:11 -0000 Received: by yogi.inside.efficient.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:27:41 -0500 Message-ID: <4516E7063F71D311A3D300508B0F1CB602571B12@p...> To: "'ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: PlayStream Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:27:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Ben Runnels Does PlayStream work on the DirecTivo? From tivo_extract@p... Wed Jun 13 11:03:49 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: tivo_extract@p... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 13 Jun 2001 18:03:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 60248 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2001 17:57:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2001 17:57:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mu.egroups.com) (10.1.1.40) by mta1 with SMTP; 13 Jun 2001 17:57:28 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: tivo_extract@p... Received: from [10.1.2.33] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2001 17:57:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:57:14 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Directivo, TivoNET, and ExtractStream Message-ID: <9g89hq+c7dj@e...> In-Reply-To: <9g3ba3+10q8e@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2489 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 199.180.18.5 From: tivo_extract@p... --- In ExtractStream@y..., markb@y... wrote: > --- In ExtractStream@y..., tivo_extract@p... wrote: > > In addition to this, if my belief that the DirecTiVO box itself > > removes the macrovision encoding, anyone using an extrator to get > > the stream off the box would not be liable for unencrypting the > > data - DirecTV did it themselves. > > I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure Macrovision isn't anything that > could be confused with encryption. It's just some extra "noise" in > the analog output that confuses VCRs. With DVDs, it's basically just > a flag that tells the DVD player that is should add the > Macrovision "noise" to the video output. If DirecTV supports > Macrovision, it probably works in a similar way. But I'm not even > sure if DirecTV support Macrovision. because of the DMCA, Macrovision would be considered encryption. basically anything done to stop someone from gaining access to original content is considered encryption. If I had a book, and put it in a taped up box, that would be considered encryption. Pretty amazing, huh? The CSS encryption on DVDs is not much more complex than Macrovision encoding. I have a perl script that is less than 500 characters long that will decrypt a DVD. As for DirecTV supporting macrovision, I am pretty sure that all of the directv broadcasts are encoded with macrovision. If I were directv, I definitely wouldn't broadcast a clear MPEG2 stream. > Has anybody here come across any DirecTV programming that they had > trouble recording with a VCR? I would suspect that if DirecTV were > to use Macrovision it would be on the PPV channels. I have not tried recording anything from the DirecTV reciever. The only reciever I have is the DirecTV/TiVO receiver, which DOES allow you to dump the stored video to VHS, and does quite well. It still seems to me that as a consumer purchasing the broadcast, I should be able to use that broadcast for my own personal viewing in the same format that I receive it. I find it amazing that they can justify allowing me to leave it on the TiVO, but NOT allow me to view the same data from another machine. Imagine buying a package of batteries, and using them in your radio.... but then realize you need some batteries in your flashlight, but you're unable to use the batteries from the radio, because they are only "licensed" for use in one device. This is the same sort of convoluted legalities that we are delaing with here. --Eric From tivo_extract@p... Wed Jun 13 11:10:43 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: tivo_extract@p... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 13 Jun 2001 18:10:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 9402 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2001 18:05:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2001 18:05:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mr.egroups.com) (10.1.1.37) by mta1 with SMTP; 13 Jun 2001 18:05:48 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: tivo_extract@p... Received: from [10.1.10.114] by mr.egroups.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2001 18:05:11 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:01:22 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: PlayStream Message-ID: <9g89pi+g05u@e...> In-Reply-To: <4516E7063F71D311A3D300508B0F1CB602571B12@p...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 125 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 199.180.18.5 From: tivo_extract@p... --- In ExtractStream@y..., Ben Runnels wrote: > Does PlayStream work on the DirecTivo? The simple answer: n.o. From benr@e... Wed Jun 13 11:45:29 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: benr@e... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 13 Jun 2001 18:45:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 29339 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2001 18:43:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2001 18:43:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO b05.egroups.com) (10.1.2.184) by mta1 with SMTP; 13 Jun 2001 18:43:40 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: benr@e... Received: from [10.1.2.51] by b05.egroups.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2001 18:43:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:43:37 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Directivo, TivoNET, and ExtractStream Message-ID: <9g8c8p+c3hd@e...> In-Reply-To: <9g89hq+c7dj@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2953 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 12.39.97.101 From: benr@e... So,if you are able to dump to VCR shouldn't you be able to look and see what processes are used to do that and then replicate them but direct the output to another output device instead of using the /dev/*** used for analog output? Just a thought, but i think I will take a serious look at it... --- In ExtractStream@y..., tivo_extract@p... wrote: > --- In ExtractStream@y..., markb@y... wrote: > > --- In ExtractStream@y..., tivo_extract@p... wrote: > > > In addition to this, if my belief that the DirecTiVO box itself > > > removes the macrovision encoding, anyone using an extrator to get > > > the stream off the box would not be liable for unencrypting the > > > data - DirecTV did it themselves. > > > > I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure Macrovision isn't anything that > > could be confused with encryption. It's just some extra "noise" in > > the analog output that confuses VCRs. With DVDs, it's basically > just > > a flag that tells the DVD player that is should add the > > Macrovision "noise" to the video output. If DirecTV supports > > Macrovision, it probably works in a similar way. But I'm not even > > sure if DirecTV support Macrovision. > > because of the DMCA, Macrovision would be considered encryption. > basically anything done to stop someone from gaining access to > original content is considered encryption. If I had a book, and put > it in a taped up box, that would be considered encryption. Pretty > amazing, huh? The CSS encryption on DVDs is not much more complex > than Macrovision encoding. I have a perl script that is less than > 500 characters long that will decrypt a DVD. > > As for DirecTV supporting macrovision, I am pretty sure that all of > the directv broadcasts are encoded with macrovision. > > If I were directv, I definitely wouldn't broadcast a clear MPEG2 > stream. > > > Has anybody here come across any DirecTV programming that they had > > trouble recording with a VCR? I would suspect that if DirecTV were > > to use Macrovision it would be on the PPV channels. > > I have not tried recording anything from the DirecTV reciever. The > only reciever I have is the DirecTV/TiVO receiver, which DOES allow > you to dump the stored video to VHS, and does quite well. > > It still seems to me that as a consumer purchasing the broadcast, I > should be able to use that broadcast for my own personal viewing in > the same format that I receive it. I find it amazing that they can > justify allowing me to leave it on the TiVO, but NOT allow me to view > the same data from another machine. > > Imagine buying a package of batteries, and using them in your > radio.... but then realize you need some batteries in your > flashlight, but you're unable to use the batteries from the radio, > because they are only "licensed" for use in one device. This is the > same sort of convoluted legalities that we are delaing with here. > > --Eric From tivo_extract@p... Wed Jun 13 11:52:31 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: tivo_extract@p... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 13 Jun 2001 18:52:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 55254 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2001 18:52:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2001 18:52:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hp.egroups.com) (10.1.2.220) by mta1 with SMTP; 13 Jun 2001 18:52:19 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: tivo_extract@p... Received: from [10.1.10.100] by hp.egroups.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2001 18:52:17 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:52:16 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Directivo, TivoNET, and ExtractStream Message-ID: <9g8cp0+ahoo@e...> In-Reply-To: <9g8c8p+c3hd@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 596 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 199.180.18.5 From: tivo_extract@p... --- In ExtractStream@y..., benr@e... wrote: > So,if you are able to dump to VCR shouldn't you be able to look and > see what processes are used to do that and then replicate them but > direct the output to another output device instead of using > the /dev/*** used for analog output? > > Just a thought, but i think I will take a serious look at it... > Not a bad idea, but I would like to preserve the original digital recording, rather than converting to analog. Although, I suppose one could look at those processes, and try to determine exactly how to get the MPEGs on disk. --Eric From giles@v... Wed Jun 13 12:33:25 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: giles@v... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 13 Jun 2001 19:33:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 98179 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2001 19:30:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2001 19:30:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO b05.egroups.com) (10.1.2.184) by mta1 with SMTP; 13 Jun 2001 19:30:56 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: giles@v... Received: from [10.1.10.98] by b05.egroups.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2001 19:30:55 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 19:30:54 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Directivo, TivoNET, and ExtractStream Message-ID: <9g8f1e+17qk@e...> In-Reply-To: <9g89hq+c7dj@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 489 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 156.151.66.194 From: "Giles Douglas" --- In ExtractStream@y..., tivo_extract@p... wrote: > As for DirecTV supporting macrovision, I am pretty sure that all of > the directv broadcasts are encoded with macrovision. I'm not sure this is true. Some of the output from my directtv receiver (PPV movies for example) has macrovision and can't be recorded onto VCR. However, the normal programs can. So if they do, then they add it back in on the receiver when sending out PPV movies? That seems rather unlikely. Giles From benr@e... Wed Jun 13 12:36:53 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: benr@e... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 13 Jun 2001 19:36:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 9463 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2001 19:34:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2001 19:34:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hn.egroups.com) (10.1.2.221) by mta1 with SMTP; 13 Jun 2001 19:34:09 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: benr@e... Received: from [10.1.2.230] by hn.egroups.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2001 19:34:05 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 19:34:01 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Directivo, TivoNET, and ExtractStream Message-ID: <9g8f79+18od@e...> In-Reply-To: <9g8cp0+ahoo@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 869 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 12.39.97.101 From: benr@e... That's what I meant, redirect it before it hits the analog device to a device that you created or simply a file on an NFS mount. Then use other tools to get it into a usable format. --- In ExtractStream@y..., tivo_extract@p... wrote: > --- In ExtractStream@y..., benr@e... wrote: > > So,if you are able to dump to VCR shouldn't you be able to look and > > see what processes are used to do that and then replicate them but > > direct the output to another output device instead of using > > the /dev/*** used for analog output? > > > > Just a thought, but i think I will take a serious look at it... > > > > Not a bad idea, but I would like to preserve the original digital > recording, rather than converting to analog. > > Although, I suppose one could look at those processes, and try to > determine exactly how to get the MPEGs on disk. > > --Eric From benr@e... Wed Jun 13 12:39:07 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: benr@e... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 13 Jun 2001 19:39:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 64928 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2001 19:36:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2001 19:36:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hn.egroups.com) (10.1.2.221) by mta1 with SMTP; 13 Jun 2001 19:36:39 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: benr@e... Received: from [10.1.2.230] by hn.egroups.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2001 19:36:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 19:36:32 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Directivo, TivoNET, and ExtractStream Message-ID: <9g8fc0+an0l@e...> In-Reply-To: <9g8f1e+17qk@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 769 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 12.39.97.101 From: benr@e... But if you're extracting the saved stream digitally, before it goes through an A-D conversion, then Macrovison, on or off, should have no effect as it is an analog copy protection scheme. --- In ExtractStream@y..., "Giles Douglas" wrote: > --- In ExtractStream@y..., tivo_extract@p... wrote: > > As for DirecTV supporting macrovision, I am pretty sure that all of > > the directv broadcasts are encoded with macrovision. > > I'm not sure this is true. Some of the output from my directtv > receiver (PPV movies for example) has macrovision and can't be > recorded onto VCR. However, the normal programs can. > > So if they do, then they add it back in on the receiver when sending > out PPV movies? That seems rather unlikely. > > Giles From syth@m... Wed Jun 13 12:48:20 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: syth@m... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 13 Jun 2001 19:48:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 44548 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2001 19:47:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2001 19:47:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout.mac.com) (204.179.120.89) by mta1 with SMTP; 13 Jun 2001 19:47:01 -0000 Received: by smtpout.mac.com; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:44:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp01.mac.com ([10.13.10.65]) by smtp-relay01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GEVW6000.KYN for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:44:24 -0700 Received: from sgpc-7md339x9j7.mac.com ([207.174.31.98]) by asmtp01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 asmtp01 Jun 6 2001 13:16:42) with ESMTP id GEVW5U00.C6N for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:44:18 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010613123657.01d9ecc8@m...> X-Sender: syth@m... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:39:08 -0600 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ExtractStream] Re: New poll for ExtractStream In-Reply-To: <9g5arb+nll4@e...> References: <992324376.528.13506.h9@yahoogroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: Syth At 15:00 6/12/2001 +0000, you wrote: >I would much prefer that everyone used: > > When you have long URL's that will be munged by your mailer with a word wrap, enclose the entire URL in <>'s to preserve it as a linkable URL for everyone. From sjf@c... Wed Jun 13 14:07:43 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sjf@c... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 13 Jun 2001 21:07:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 16019 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2001 21:07:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2001 21:07:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mw.egroups.com) (10.1.2.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 13 Jun 2001 21:07:43 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sjf@c... Received: from [10.1.10.97] by mw.egroups.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2001 21:07:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 21:07:38 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Directivo, TivoNET, and ExtractStream Message-ID: <9g8kmq+7i5h@e...> In-Reply-To: <9g8fc0+an0l@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1246 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 24.0.186.13 From: sjf@c... As I understand it, on the stand-alones, if macrovision is detected when receiving/recording the signal, a flag is set. Then when playing back, if that flag is set, the macrovision signal is generated and added to the playback signal. For directv, the digital signal must be sent with a flag to determine if the receiver is to apply the macrovision signal to the decoded analog output. For DirectTivos, that flag must be stored with the program, just as with standalones. And when played back, if the flag is set, the macrovision signal is added into the analog playback. > effect as it is an analog copy protection scheme. > > --- In ExtractStream@y..., "Giles Douglas" wrote: > > --- In ExtractStream@y..., tivo_extract@p... wrote: > > > As for DirecTV supporting macrovision, I am pretty sure that all > of > > > the directv broadcasts are encoded with macrovision. > > > > I'm not sure this is true. Some of the output from my directtv > > receiver (PPV movies for example) has macrovision and can't be > > recorded onto VCR. However, the normal programs can. > > > > So if they do, then they add it back in on the receiver when > sending > > out PPV movies? That seems rather unlikely. > > > > Giles From markb@y... Wed Jun 13 15:42:24 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: markb@y... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 13 Jun 2001 22:42:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 51350 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2001 22:42:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 13 Jun 2001 22:42:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO f19.egroups.com) (10.1.2.136) by mta1 with SMTP; 13 Jun 2001 22:42:22 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: markb@y... Received: from [10.1.10.64] by f19.egroups.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2001 22:42:21 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 22:42:16 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Directivo, TivoNET, and ExtractStream Message-ID: <9g8q88+fiq0@e...> In-Reply-To: <9g89hq+c7dj@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 728 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 129.46.176.138 From: markb@y... --- In ExtractStream@y..., tivo_extract@p... wrote: > As for DirecTV supporting macrovision, I am pretty sure that all of > the directv broadcasts are encoded with macrovision. Well, some of them certainly are not, since I've recorded stuff off DirecTV in the past. From what others have said, DirecTV does support Macrovision, though. > If I were directv, I definitely wouldn't broadcast a clear MPEG2 > stream. They don't. It's encrypted. This has nothing to do with Macrovision. DirecTV encryption is there to prevent signal theft, while Macrovision is there to prevent VCR recording. Macrovision is an analog signal, and therefore must be added in by the receiver after decoding the digital signal. -Mark From bandp@b... Wed Jun 13 22:15:43 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: bandp@b... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 14 Jun 2001 05:15:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 48574 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2001 05:15:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2001 05:15:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ej.egroups.com) (10.1.10.49) by mta1 with SMTP; 14 Jun 2001 05:15:42 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: bandp@b... Received: from [10.1.10.119] by ej.egroups.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2001 05:15:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 05:15:38 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: ExtractStream Message-ID: <9g9h9q+9701@e...> In-Reply-To: <9fqh0h+9tn3@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 901 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 66.61.57.102 From: bandp@b... http://svcdcorder.esmartbiz.com seems to have been removed. Any ideas where one might find a copy of this? A search on Google produced no results. :( --- In ExtractStream@y..., jh1521@e... wrote: > --- In ExtractStream@y..., "Mark Williams" wrote: > > It's going to run on for a while... then it'll end. > > > > I extracted yesterday's (rerun) West Wing to a file on a Windows > 2000 > > Pro machine over my TiVoNET. (..) > > I'll tackle the VCD compression and burn tomorrow... > > > > > > M > > Why not go with SVCD? Agreed, you'll need 2 CDs for a 60-minute show, > but the quality is far superior. BTW, here's a all-in-one tool for > creating SVCDs, which was released yesterday: SVCDcorder, at > http://svcdcorder.esmartbiz.com/. You _do_ need the external mjpeg > codec (they recommend the PICvideo mjpeg) and the standalone cc > encoder *hint:http://apachez.has.it*. :) From gekea@y... Thu Jun 14 06:12:37 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: gekea@y... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 14 Jun 2001 13:12:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 82204 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2001 13:12:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2001 13:12:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ej.egroups.com) (10.1.10.49) by mta1 with SMTP; 14 Jun 2001 13:12:36 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: gekea@y... Received: from [10.1.10.120] by ej.egroups.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2001 13:12:35 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:12:31 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Directivo, TivoNET, and ExtractStream Message-ID: <9gad7v+fov8@e...> In-Reply-To: <9g8fc0+an0l@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 952 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.211.150.221 From: gekea@y... here's an idea. if the standalone tivo's are basically applying MPEG compression to an analog signal and the DirecTivo is storing an already compressed digital signal...would i really be loosing that much quality if i just used my video capture board to catalog my DirecTivo veiwings? i would even gain the ability to apply my prefered codec (MPEG 4). i used to own a standalone tivo...and hated it. i took it back to the store 3 days later for a refund. the compression on it was horrible. there was WAY TOO MUCH pixelation. however, we all know the DirecTV compression is very good. not quite DVD quality, but good. i instantly noticed a difference in the quality when i hooked up my sony sat-t60. so, doesn't it seem logical that if i were to capture this output and apply a MPEG 4 codec...it would be better than what the standalone tivo does? it is, by all accounts, applying a sub-par MPEG codec to an analog input as well. From cfernandez@m... Thu Jun 14 06:18:13 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cfernandez@m... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 14 Jun 2001 13:18:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 84305 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2001 13:18:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2001 13:18:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sacarino.myalert.com) (195.119.207.249) by mta2 with SMTP; 14 Jun 2001 13:18:12 -0000 Received: from [10.69.128.201] ([10.69.128.201]) by sacarino.myalert.com (8.10.2/8.10.2/SuSE Linux 8.10.0-0.3) with ESMTP id f5EDIFc15860; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:18:15 +0200 Subject: Re: [ExtractStream] Re: Directivo, TivoNET, and ExtractStream To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Cc: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <9gad7v+fov8@e...> References: <9gad7v+fov8@e...> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/0.10.99 (Preview Release) Date: 14 Jun 2001 15:16:03 +0200 Message-Id: <992524564.887.0.camel@c...> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Carlos Fernandez Sanz > i used to own a standalone tivo...and hated it. i took it back to > the store 3 days later for a refund. the compression on it was > horrible. there was WAY TOO MUCH pixelation. If there was any pixelation at all it's because you didn't use best or high quality. From rob@r... Thu Jun 14 10:39:38 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rob@r... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 14 Jun 2001 17:39:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 74495 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2001 17:39:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 14 Jun 2001 17:39:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ho.egroups.com) (10.1.2.219) by mta1 with SMTP; 14 Jun 2001 17:39:37 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: rob@r... Received: from [10.1.10.120] by ho.egroups.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2001 17:39:36 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:39:33 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: NFS Help, Please? Message-ID: <9gassl+56f5@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 987 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 24.11.40.8 From: rob@r... Ok, I know I am so close I can taste it. Any help anyone could provide would be GREATLY appreciated. Here is my setup: 192.168.0.110 Tivo 192.168.0.80 Linux PC 192.168.0.90 Win2k PC I copied the NFS module over to the Tivo, and then ran the command: insmod -f nfs-2.0.1.o And got the following warning: bash-2.02# insmod -f nfs-2.0.1.o Warning: kernel-module version mismatch nfs-2.0.1.o was compiled for kernel version 2.1.24-TiVo.1 while this kernel is version 2.1.24-TiVo.2 Is this warning acceptable? I also have downloaded the warnfs program I saw mentioned earlier, but being the relative Linux/NFS newbie that I am, I am having some troubles getting my exports.conf on the Win2k side formatted correctly. Give the information above, could someone PLEASE help me out. If I understand the process correctly, I want to specify a mount point on the Win2k PC that is accessible via NFS from the Tivo, correct? If so, could someone give me some examples? Many Thanks! From theamigo42@y... Thu Jun 14 16:33:18 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: theamigo42@y... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 14 Jun 2001 23:33:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 98055 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2001 23:33:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2001 23:33:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fg.egroups.com) (10.1.2.134) by mta1 with SMTP; 14 Jun 2001 23:33:17 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: theamigo42@y... Received: from [10.1.2.117] by fg.egroups.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2001 23:33:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 23:33:10 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: NFS Help, Please? Message-ID: <9gbhjm+6nfr@e...> In-Reply-To: <9gassl+56f5@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1231 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 136.182.2.226 From: "Josh Harding" --- In ExtractStream@y..., rob@r... wrote: > 192.168.0.110 Tivo > 192.168.0.80 Linux PC > 192.168.0.90 Win2k PC [snip] > bash-2.02# insmod -f nfs-2.0.1.o > Warning: kernel-module version mismatch > nfs-2.0.1.o was compiled for kernel version 2.1.24-TiVo.1 > while this kernel is version 2.1.24-TiVo.2 > > Is this warning acceptable? Yes. It happens for most (all?) of us. But since it's only a minor revision, it still works. I get the same warning and NFS has been very reliable between my linux box and my TiVo. > I also have downloaded the warnfs program I saw mentioned earlier, > but being the relative Linux/NFS newbie that I am, I am having some > troubles getting my exports.conf on the Win2k side formatted > correctly. Use NFS on your linux box. Create a new directory (e.g. /usr/local/tivotemp) Create (or edit) /etc/exports and add the following line: /usr/local/tivotemp 192.168.0.110(rw,no_root_squash) then at a shell prompt, run: exportfs -av If you get errors on your linux box when doing this, you may not have NFS installed or the process may not be running. However, that's getting a bit off-topic for this list and you can find many linux support resources that discuss that. --The Amigo From theamigo42@y... Thu Jun 14 16:45:28 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: theamigo42@y... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 14 Jun 2001 23:45:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 14387 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2001 23:45:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 14 Jun 2001 23:45:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mo.egroups.com) (10.1.1.34) by mta1 with SMTP; 14 Jun 2001 23:45:27 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: theamigo42@y... Received: from [10.1.2.52] by mo.egroups.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2001 23:45:26 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 23:45:24 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Multiplexing trouble? Message-ID: <9gbiak+o0si@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 491 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 129.188.33.226 From: "Josh Harding" Are other people having the same problems multiplexing the streams together that I am? I get the same results whether I run mplex on my Linux box or my TiVo: The first 10s or so look fine. After that, the framerate drops to about 2fps but the audio keeps playing normally. Another question: I haven't seen anyone talk about why some shows have more tyStreams than others. Are they perhaps each fragments of a show when there's not enough contiguous space on the drive? --The Amigo From son_of_mogh_worf@h... Fri Jun 15 01:19:01 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: son_of_mogh_worf@h... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 15 Jun 2001 08:19:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 66738 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2001 08:19:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2001 08:19:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hj.egroups.com) (10.1.10.42) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Jun 2001 08:19:00 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: son_of_mogh_worf@h... Received: from [10.1.10.126] by hj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2001 08:19:00 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 08:18:56 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Directivo, TivoNET, and ExtractStream Message-ID: <9gcgdg+g479@e...> In-Reply-To: <9gad7v+fov8@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1275 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.66.139.175 From: son_of_mogh_worf@h... --- In ExtractStream@y..., gekea@y... wrote: > so, doesn't it seem logical that if i were to capture this output and > apply a MPEG 4 codec...it would be better than what the standalone > tivo does? it is, by all accounts, applying a sub-par MPEG > codec to an analog input as well. Possibly, but unlikely. The thing is that DirecTV spent a *LOT* of money (say, around $10K+) just obtaining an MPEG2 encoder. We know that the MPEG2 encoder contained within the SA TiVos don't cost $10k. The difference is the quality -- DirecTV's encoder are of higher quality that the SA TiVo's will ever be. MPEG2 compression is such that it's possible to select the quality of the compression by simply choosing a different codec, or bitrate. Yes, the quality is related to the prices, as well :). And the thing is, these codecs are real-time codecs, so they must compress the video frame by the time another arrives. At least your MPEG4 codec has the luxury of unlimited time to encode (more or less), so it's possible to do a higher quality encoding at lower cost than to do it in real-time. OTOH, you get people like me, who plug in their SA TiVos, record on Medium quality, and can't tell the difference between it and actual cable (the signal is equally bad...). From sharkey@a... Fri Jun 15 02:32:34 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sharkey@s... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 15 Jun 2001 09:32:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 89946 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2001 09:32:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2001 09:32:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ale.physics.sunysb.edu) (129.49.56.40) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Jun 2001 09:32:33 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=superk.physics.sunysb.edu) by ale.physics.sunysb.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 15Apxx-0000mD-00 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 05:32:33 -0400 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy Subject: Re: [ExtractStream] Re: Directivo, TivoNET, and ExtractStream In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 15 Jun 2001 08:18:56 -0000." <9gcgdg+g479@e...> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 05:32:32 -0400 Sender: sharkey@s... Message-Id: X-eGroups-From: sharkey@s... From: sharkey@a... > --- In ExtractStream@y..., gekea@y... wrote: > > so, doesn't it seem logical that if i were to capture this output > and > > apply a MPEG 4 codec...it would be better than what the standalone > > tivo does? it is, by all accounts, applying a sub-par MPEG > > codec to an analog input as well. > > Possibly, but unlikely. The thing is that DirecTV spent a *LOT* of > money (say, around $10K+) just obtaining an MPEG2 encoder. Somehow I doubt that DirecTV's encodings are really that much better than the SA Tivo's best quality recording. And if they are better, the difference is too small to be significant. I almost never use best quality becuase I don't feel that I need better than medium for most things. Yes, I can tell the difference, but I don't really care. DirecTV pays a lot more for their encoders because they can handle multiple streams. How many channels do they provide? They have to encode all of them simultaneously. That's something that just can't be done on a $200 box at any quality. (And licensing the required patents from the MPEG LA scales with the number of channels which can be provided, so the cost goes up there, too.) $10K+ sounds pretty cheap to me. For me, it's not about video quality, but the ease and simplicity with which I can beam recordings from place to place. As I'm writing this, my Tivo and I are in different hemispheres. Sure, I can log in and see what's recorded on there and stuff, but until now I haven't been able to, say, download the video onto my laptop and watch it whereever I happen to be. I've been travelling back and forth from the U.S. to Japan for the last four years, so it's hard to stick with a show and follow it. Conceivably now I can. (I can't speak Japanese, so there's not much point in watching local programming for me.) This kind of space/time shifting is what I'm interested in and what I consider to be legal and fair use. Saving to videotape doesn't let you do something like this, and streaming an analog signal to a video capture board is needlessly complex. It's much simpler to just select the file and download it. Eric From sharkey@a... Fri Jun 15 05:34:19 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sharkey@s... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 15 Jun 2001 12:34:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 3272 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2001 12:34:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2001 12:34:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ale.physics.sunysb.edu) (129.49.56.40) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Jun 2001 12:34:18 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=superk.physics.sunysb.edu) by ale.physics.sunysb.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 15Asnp-0001GN-00 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 08:34:17 -0400 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy Subject: Re: [ExtractStream] New poll for ExtractStream In-reply-to: Your message of "12 Jun 2001 05:39:36 -0000." <992324376.528.13506.h9@yahoogroups.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 08:34:16 -0400 Sender: sharkey@s... Message-Id: X-eGroups-From: sharkey@s... From: sharkey@a... > o Move everything onto a SourceForge project (I tried once, they rejected > ExtractStream). What was the reason given for the rejection? Eric From nickhull@y... Fri Jun 15 07:45:31 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: nickhull@y... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 15 Jun 2001 14:45:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 57580 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2001 14:45:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2001 14:45:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.egroups.com) (10.1.1.31) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Jun 2001 14:45:31 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: nickhull@y... Received: from [10.1.2.56] by ml.egroups.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2001 14:45:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:45:27 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Multiplexing trouble? Message-ID: <9gd727+oi1e@e...> In-Reply-To: <9gbiak+o0si@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 749 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 209.37.240.53 From: nickhull@y... Do you have the latest release of the software? Several fixes were made that may help you. As for the multiple TyStreams - my guess is the same as yours. Nick --- In ExtractStream@y..., "Josh Harding" wrote: > Are other people having the same problems multiplexing the streams > together that I am? > > I get the same results whether I run mplex on my Linux box or my TiVo: > The first 10s or so look fine. After that, the framerate drops to > about 2fps but the audio keeps playing normally. > > Another question: > I haven't seen anyone talk about why some shows have more tyStreams > than others. Are they perhaps each fragments of a show when there's > not enough contiguous space on the drive? > > --The Amigo From AWeberWilm@a... Fri Jun 15 14:39:20 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: AWeberWilm@a... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 15 Jun 2001 21:39:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 38827 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2001 21:39:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2001 21:39:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.8) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Jun 2001 21:39:19 -0000 Received: from AWeberWilm@a... by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id r.e2.1637fe75 (3976) for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:39:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:39:09 EDT Subject: Re: [ExtractStream] Re: NFS Help, Please? To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 103 From: AWeberWilm@a... In a message dated 6/15/2001 1:50:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, theamigo42@y... writes: > ExtractStream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com From extractstream@y... Fri Jun 15 15:11:50 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: extractstream@y... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 15 Jun 2001 22:11:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 2579 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2001 22:11:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2001 22:11:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mq.egroups.com) (10.1.1.36) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Jun 2001 22:11:49 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: extractstream@y... Received: from [10.1.2.55] by mq.egroups.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2001 22:11:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:11:48 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Multiplexing trouble? Message-ID: <9ge174+neov@e...> In-Reply-To: <9gd727+oi1e@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 887 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 209.208.189.13 From: extractstream@y... Where would one get the latest release? --- In ExtractStream@y..., nickhull@y... wrote: > Do you have the latest release of the software? Several fixes were > made that may help you. > > As for the multiple TyStreams - my guess is the same as yours. > > Nick > > --- In ExtractStream@y..., "Josh Harding" wrote: > > Are other people having the same problems multiplexing the streams > > together that I am? > > > > I get the same results whether I run mplex on my Linux box or my > TiVo: > > The first 10s or so look fine. After that, the framerate drops to > > about 2fps but the audio keeps playing normally. > > > > Another question: > > I haven't seen anyone talk about why some shows have more tyStreams > > than others. Are they perhaps each fragments of a show when > there's > > not enough contiguous space on the drive? > > > > --The Amigo From son_of_mogh_worf@h... Sat Jun 16 00:40:14 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: son_of_mogh_worf@h... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 16 Jun 2001 07:40:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 83463 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2001 07:40:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2001 07:40:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hi.egroups.com) (10.1.10.41) by mta1 with SMTP; 16 Jun 2001 07:40:12 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: son_of_mogh_worf@h... Received: from [10.1.10.132] by hi.egroups.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2001 07:40:12 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 07:40:11 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Directivo, TivoNET, and ExtractStream Message-ID: <9gf2gr+g4pc@e...> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2754 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.66.139.175 From: son_of_mogh_worf@h... --- In ExtractStream@y..., sharkey@a... wrote: > Somehow I doubt that DirecTV's encodings are really that much better than > the SA Tivo's best quality recording. And if they are better, the > difference is too small to be significant. I almost never use best quality > becuase I don't feel that I need better than medium for most things. Yes, > I can tell the difference, but I don't really care. Well, at least DirecTV's encodings are more bit-efficient, thus their bitrate is lower. I mean, at the Best encoding rate, the bitrate is higher than that of a DVD! Yet the picture with the cleanest of inputs does not look like a DVD, and I'm sure DirecTV's streams don't look like a DVD... thus, lies the truth of encoders -- quality for a given bitrate. Even using VBR, I doubt the SA TiVo encoder would generate pictures equivalent to the quality of a DVD (assuming perfect digitization, etc), given DVD bitrate. Heck, DVD's aren't all that perfect either... (Again, it's the cost issue. A remastered DVD might get the "premium" treatment and go through a costlier encoder to achieve the better quality, while a crappy movie goes through a TiVo-ish type encoder). That's the nice thing of MPEG encoding. The final output is dependent on the quality of the encoder. You want cheap output, you use a crappy encoder. You want excellent-digital-theatre-quality-output, you pay the $$$ for a higher quality encoder. > DirecTV pays a lot more for their encoders because they can handle multiple > streams. How many channels do they provide? They have to encode all > of them simultaneously. That's something that just can't be done on a > $200 box at any quality. (And licensing the required patents from > the MPEG LA scales with the number of channels which can be provided, so > the cost goes up there, too.) $10K+ sounds pretty cheap to me. Maybe it's $1000/channel. Havne't priced broadcast-quality equipment lately. Plus, not all feeds are analog -- some of the more premium channels do digital encoding themselves rather than leaving it in the hands of a 3rd party who has to encode it... Anyhow, a $200 box, times lets say, 200 channels, is only $40,000 or so. So there's a reason... (lets see, 200 channels, or 40 channels, you decide...). Of course, there is the added aspect that well, DirecTV has to fight for bandwidth - the bandwidth is limited to each dish, and you gotta fit all the programming into that bandwidth -- VBR helps, as does bit-allocation schemes and whatnot, but I'm sure the equivalent output has a much lower bitrate for the same quality (case in point... a 60 hour DirecTiVo has how much disk space? 45GB? at "best" quality... heck, that out-beats "basic" quality on bitrate...) From son_of_mogh_worf@h... Sat Jun 16 01:59:08 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: son_of_mogh_worf@h... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 16 Jun 2001 08:59:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 76241 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2001 08:59:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2001 08:59:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cj.egroups.com) (10.1.2.82) by mta1 with SMTP; 16 Jun 2001 08:59:08 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: son_of_mogh_worf@h... Received: from [10.1.2.55] by cj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2001 08:59:07 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 08:59:04 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [MINOR CORRECTION] Re: Directivo, TivoNET, and ExtractStream Message-ID: <9gf74o+nfen@e...> In-Reply-To: <9gf2gr+g4pc@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 518 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.66.139.175 From: son_of_mogh_worf@h... --- In ExtractStream@y..., son_of_mogh_worf@h... wrote: > helps, as does bit-allocation schemes and whatnot, but I'm sure the > equivalent output has a much lower bitrate for the same quality (case > in point... a 60 hour DirecTiVo has how much disk space? 45GB? at > "best" quality... heck, that out-beats "basic" quality on bitrate...) Blah. Ignore that. Turns out DirecTiVo's recordings in "pure digital" is about the same or slightly lower bitrate as "basic" (40 hours 35GB). But it illustrates the point. From rob@r... Sat Jun 16 12:28:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rob@r... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 16 Jun 2001 19:28:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 15518 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2001 19:28:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2001 19:28:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ntserver.royse.org) (24.11.40.8) by mta1 with SMTP; 16 Jun 2001 19:28:32 -0000 Received: by ntserver.royse.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 14:36:32 -0500 Message-ID: <6CA344EA8CE583468F1255014AEA5B7E6BF8@n...> To: "'theamigo42@y...'" Cc: "'ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: [ExtractStream] Re: NFS Help, Please? Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 01:06:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0F62A.85462540" From: Rob Royse ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0F62A.85462540 Content-Type: text/plain Josh, I realize I am asking a big favor here, but I would REALLY appreciate your help in getting this going. I followed your instructions as best as I could, and I appear to be stuck: Some things in my config have changed, most notably the distro and IP address of my Linux box. It is now Redhat 7.1 and the IP address is 192.168.0.71 I created /usr/local/tivotemp on the Linux box, and I made the edit on the /etc/exports file as you mentioned, and I then did the exportfs -av at didn't get any errors, it just said it exported it to the kernel. Do I still need to stop and start the NFS daemon at this point? I have the nfs-2.0.1.o module running on the Tivo as well, so now my question becomes one of mounting syntax on the Tivo. I am a little confused on what goes where. Here is what I tried on the Tivo without any luck: bash-2.02# mount 192.168.0.110:/contents /usr/local/tivotemp mount: RPC: Port mapper failure - RPC: Unable to send bash-2.02# mount 192.168.0.110:/contents mount: can't find 192.168.0.110:/contents in /var/mtab or /etc/fstab bash-2.02# mount 192.168.0.110:/usr/local/tivotemp /contents mount: RPC: Port mapper failure - RPC: Unable to send bash-2.02# So it really becomes a syntax issue, how do I properly format a mount command given those variables? Where do I use the share names and in what order? Thanks again for your help, and if there is something I can do to return the favor, please let me know! Rob Royse rob@r... http://www.royse.org -----Original Message----- From: Josh Harding [mailto:theamigo42@y...] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 6:33 PM To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ExtractStream] Re: NFS Help, Please? --- In ExtractStream@y..., rob@r... wrote: > 192.168.0.110 Tivo > 192.168.0.80 Linux PC > 192.168.0.90 Win2k PC [snip] > bash-2.02# insmod -f nfs-2.0.1.o > Warning: kernel-module version mismatch > nfs-2.0.1.o was compiled for kernel version 2.1.24-TiVo.1 > while this kernel is version 2.1.24-TiVo.2 > > Is this warning acceptable? Yes. It happens for most (all?) of us. But since it's only a minor revision, it still works. I get the same warning and NFS has been very reliable between my linux box and my TiVo. > I also have downloaded the warnfs program I saw mentioned earlier, > but being the relative Linux/NFS newbie that I am, I am having some > troubles getting my exports.conf on the Win2k side formatted > correctly. Use NFS on your linux box. Create a new directory (e.g. /usr/local/tivotemp) Create (or edit) /etc/exports and add the following line: /usr/local/tivotemp 192.168.0.110(rw,no_root_squash) then at a shell prompt, run: exportfs -av If you get errors on your linux box when doing this, you may not have NFS installed or the process may not be running. However, that's getting a bit off-topic for this list and you can find many linux support resources that discuss that. --The Amigo Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Yahoo! Website Services- Click Here! Yahoo! Website Services- Click Here! To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ExtractStream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0F62A.85462540 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Josh,

 

I realize I am asking a big favor here= , but I would REALLY appreciate your help in getting this going.

 

I followed your instructions as best a= s I could, and I appear to be stuck:

 

Some things in my config have changed, most notably the distro and IP ad= dress of my Linux box. It is now Redhat 7.1 and the I= P address is 192.168.0.71

 

I created /usr/lo= cal/tivotemp on the Linux box, and I made the edit on the /etc/exports file as you mentioned, and I then did the exportfs -av at didn't get any errors, it just said it exported it to the kernel. Do I still need to stop and start the NFS daemon at this point?

 

I have the nfs-2.0.1.o module running = on the Tivo as well, so now my question becomes on= e of mounting syntax on the Tivo. I am a little conf= used on what goes where.

 

Here is what I tried on the Tivo without any luck:

 

 

bash-2.02# mount 192.168.0.110:/contents /usr/local= /tivotemp

mount= : RPC: Port mapper failure - RPC: U= nable to send

bash-2.02# mount 192.168.0.110:/contents

mount= : can't find 192.168.0.110:/contents in /v= ar/mtab or /etc/fstab

bash-2.02# mount 192.168.0.110:/usr/local/tivotemp /contents<= /span>

mount= : RPC: Port mapper failure - RPC: U= nable to send

bash-2.02#

 

So it really becomes a syntax issue, h= ow do I properly format a mount command given those variables? Where do I use = the share names and in what order?

 

Thanks again for your help, and if the= re is something I can do to return the favor, please let me know!

 

 

= Rob Royse=

=  

= rob@r...

= http://www.royse.org=

 

-----Original Message----- From: Josh Harding [mailto:theamigo42@y...]
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001= 6:33 PM
To: ExtractStream@y...= s.com
Subject: [ExtractStream] Re:= NFS Help, Please?

 

--- In ExtractStream@y..., rob@r... wrote:
> 192.168.0.110 Tivo
> 192.168.0.80 Linux PC
> 192.168.0.90 Win2k PC
[snip]
> bash-2.02# insmod -f nfs-2.0.1.o=
> Warning: kernel-module version mismatch=
> nfs-2.0.1.o was compiled for kernel ver= sion 2.1.24-TiVo.1
> while this kernel is version 2.1.24-TiV= o.2
>
> Is this warning acceptable?=

Yes.  It happens for most (all?) of us.=   But since it's only a minor
revision, it still works.  I get the sa= me warning and NFS has been
very reliable between my linux box and my Ti= Vo.

> I also have downloaded the warnfs progr= am I saw mentioned earlier,
> but being the relative Linux/NFS newbie= that I am, I am having some
> troubles getting my exports.conf on the= Win2k side formatted
> correctly.

Use NFS on your linux box.

Create a new directory (e.g. /usr/local/tivo= temp)
Create (or edit) /etc/exports and add the following line:
/usr/local/tivotemp  192.168.0.110(rw,no_root_squash)

then at a shell prompt, run:

exportfs -av

If you get errors on your linux box when doi= ng this, you may not have
NFS installed or the process may not be running.  However, that's
getting a bit off-topic for this list and yo= u can find many linux
support resources that discuss that.<= /tt>

--The Amigo



To unsubscribe from t= his group, send an email to:
ExtractStream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com



Yo= ur use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.


------_=_NextPart_001_01C0F62A.85462540-- From byron@v... Sat Jun 16 19:10:41 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: byron@v... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 17 Jun 2001 02:10:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 71640 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2001 02:10:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 17 Jun 2001 02:10:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hl.egroups.com) (10.1.10.44) by mta1 with SMTP; 17 Jun 2001 02:10:40 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: byron@v... Received: from [10.1.2.207] by hl.egroups.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2001 02:10:40 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 02:10:35 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: can't run mplex Message-ID: <9gh3ir+iuv8@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 960 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.27.140.23 From: byron@v... Hi.. I'm having trouble with mplex, I have tried to compile mjpegtools 1.4 on my Mandrake 8.0 box, but I keep running into missing files on my system, (.h files largest hang-up = forms.h) anyway so I downloaded the rpm for rh7 and it installs okay.. but when I try to run mplex in my directory witht eh 2 streams I get this: [byron@i... tivo]$ ls -la total 519811 drwxr-xr-x 2 byron byron 168 Jun 16 22:04 ./ drwxr-xr-x 64 byron byron 2920 Jun 16 13:26 ../ -rw-r--r-- 1 byron byron 700752 Apr 12 08:34 nfs-2.0.1.o ---------- 1 root root 27642816 Jun 16 13:44 program1.m2a ---------- 1 root root 503930804 Jun 16 13:44 program1.m2v -rw-r--r-- 1 byron byron 25 Jun 16 13:01 readme [byron@i... tivo]$ mplex -f 2 -m 2 -o program1.mpeg2 program1.m2a program1.m2v INFO: mplex version 1.4.1 (7.12.2000) **ERROR: File program1.m2a not found. [byron@i... tivo]$ any ideas? From byron@v... Sat Jun 16 19:14:22 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: byron@v... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 17 Jun 2001 02:14:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 78111 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2001 02:14:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 17 Jun 2001 02:14:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ej.egroups.com) (10.1.10.49) by mta1 with SMTP; 17 Jun 2001 02:14:21 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: byron@v... Received: from [10.1.10.132] by ej.egroups.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2001 02:14:21 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 02:14:20 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: can't run mplex Message-ID: <9gh3ps+34qk@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 122 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.27.140.23 From: byron@v... I'm a moron.. looking at my post I figured it out.. no permissions on the streams, changed them and I got it to work... From sharkey@a... Sat Jun 16 20:35:49 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sharkey@s... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 17 Jun 2001 03:35:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 75362 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2001 03:35:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2001 03:35:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ale.physics.sunysb.edu) (129.49.56.40) by mta3 with SMTP; 17 Jun 2001 03:35:48 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=superk.physics.sunysb.edu) by ale.physics.sunysb.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 15BTLo-0006e4-00; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 23:35:48 -0400 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Cc: "'theamigo42@y...'" X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy Subject: Re: [ExtractStream] Re: NFS Help, Please? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 16 Jun 2001 01:06:45 CDT." <6CA344EA8CE583468F1255014AEA5B7E6BF8@n...> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 23:35:47 -0400 Sender: sharkey@s... Message-Id: X-eGroups-From: sharkey@s... From: sharkey@a... > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0F62A.85462540 > Content-Type: text/plain > > Josh, > > I realize I am asking a big favor here, but I would REALLY appreciate your > help in getting this going. > > I followed your instructions as best as I could, and I appear to be stuck: > > Some things in my config have changed, most notably the distro and IP > address of my Linux box. It is now Redhat 7.1 and the IP address is > 192.168.0.71 > > I created /usr/local/tivotemp on the Linux box, and I made the edit on the > /etc/exports file as you mentioned, and I then did the exportfs -av at > didn't get any errors, it just said it exported it to the kernel. Do I still > need to stop and start the NFS daemon at this point? > > I have the nfs-2.0.1.o module running on the Tivo as well, so now my > question becomes one of mounting syntax on the Tivo. I am a little confused > on what goes where. > > Here is what I tried on the Tivo without any luck: > > > bash-2.02# mount 192.168.0.110:/contents /usr/local/tivotemp > mount: RPC: Port mapper failure - RPC: Unable to send > bash-2.02# mount 192.168.0.110:/contents > mount: can't find 192.168.0.110:/contents in /var/mtab or /etc/fstab > bash-2.02# mount 192.168.0.110:/usr/local/tivotemp /contents > mount: RPC: Port mapper failure - RPC: Unable to send > bash-2.02# > > So it really becomes a syntax issue, how do I properly format a mount > command given those variables? Where do I use the share names and in what > order? mount -t nfs 192.168.0.71:/usr/local/tivotemp /contents Assuming you have /contents on your tivo. Eric From rob@r... Sun Jun 17 09:08:49 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rob@r... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 17 Jun 2001 16:08:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 48943 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2001 16:08:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2001 16:08:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ntserver.royse.org) (24.11.40.8) by mta2 with SMTP; 17 Jun 2001 16:08:48 -0000 Received: by ntserver.royse.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sun, 17 Jun 2001 11:16:35 -0500 Message-ID: <6CA344EA8CE583468F1255014AEA5B7E6C00@n...> To: "'ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: NFS mount problems? Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 11:16:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0F748.E12CF5E0" From: Rob Royse ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0F748.E12CF5E0 Content-Type: text/plain Ok, I got some help everyone, and I REALLY appreciate it. I know I must be close, but here is what I get now on the Tivo side: nfs-2.0.1.o: kernel-module version mismatch nfs-2.0.1.o was compiled for kernel version 2.1.24-TiVo.1 while this kernel is version 2.1.24-TiVo.2. bash-2.02# mount 192.168.0.71:/usr/local/tivotemp /var/tmp/contents mount: fs type nfs not supported by kernel So basically, I make sure NFS is running on my target Linux box, and it is. I made sure the export.conf was correctly referenced to the IP of the TIVO, and it is. I then load NFS on the Tivo, I get the kernel error which I am told is common, and then when I try to issue the mount command, I get the error above. The strange thing is that I know it is at least partially working, because earlier I had a typo in my mount path, and it told me permission denied. So some sort of communication is taking place. Anyone have any ideas on how to fix this? Many Thanks!!! Rob Royse rob@r... http://www.royse.org ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0F748.E12CF5E0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Ok, I got some help everyone, and I REALLY appreciate it= . I know I must be close, but here is what I get now on the Tivo side:

 

nfs-2.0.1.o: kernel-module version mismatch

    = ;    nfs-2.0.1.o was compiled for kernel version 2.1.24-TiV= o.1

    = ;    while this kernel is version 2.1.24-TiVo.2.=

bash-2.02= # = mount 192.168.0.71:/usr/local/tivotemp /var/tmp/contents

mount: = fs type nfs not supported= by kernel

 

So basically, I make sure NFS is running on my target Li= nux box, and it is. I made sure the export.conf was correctly referenced to the IP of the TIVO, and it is. I then load NFS on t= he Tivo, I get the kernel error which I am told is commo= n, and then when I try to issue the mount command, I get the error above.

 

The strange thing is that I know it is at least partiall= y working, because earlier I had a typo in my mount path, and it told me permission denied. So some sort of communication is taking place.

 

Anyone have any ideas on how to fix this?

 

Many Thanks!!!

 

Rob Royse

 

rob@r...

http://www.royse.org

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01C0F748.E12CF5E0-- From sharkey@a... Sun Jun 17 18:57:45 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sharkey@s... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 18 Jun 2001 01:57:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 94630 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2001 01:57:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2001 01:57:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ale.physics.sunysb.edu) (129.49.56.40) by mta3 with SMTP; 18 Jun 2001 01:57:44 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=superk.physics.sunysb.edu) by ale.physics.sunysb.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 15BoIP-0001Ai-00 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2001 21:57:41 -0400 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy Subject: Re: [ExtractStream] NFS mount problems? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 17 Jun 2001 11:16:35 CDT." <6CA344EA8CE583468F1255014AEA5B7E6C00@n...> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 21:57:40 -0400 Sender: sharkey@s... Message-Id: X-eGroups-From: sharkey@s... From: sharkey@a... > Ok, I got some help everyone, and I REALLY appreciate it. I know I must be > close, but here is what I get now on the Tivo side: > > nfs-2.0.1.o: kernel-module version mismatch > nfs-2.0.1.o was compiled for kernel version 2.1.24-TiVo.1 > while this kernel is version 2.1.24-TiVo.2. > bash-2.02# mount 192.168.0.71:/usr/local/tivotemp /var/tmp/contents > mount: fs type nfs not supported by kernel Hmm, did you check that the module is truly loaded with lsmod? This is definitely a client-side issue. Eric (who hasn't actually done this, but has used Linux for most of its existence) From rob@r... Sun Jun 17 19:09:20 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rob@r... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 18 Jun 2001 02:09:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 56440 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2001 02:09:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 18 Jun 2001 02:09:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ntserver.royse.org) (24.11.40.8) by mta3 with SMTP; 18 Jun 2001 02:09:18 -0000 Received: by ntserver.royse.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sun, 17 Jun 2001 21:17:03 -0500 Message-ID: <6CA344EA8CE583468F1255014AEA5B7E6C04@n...> To: "'ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: Multiplex Issues Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 21:17:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0F79C.C384C0F0" From: Rob Royse ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0F79C.C384C0F0 Content-Type: text/plain Ok, Thanks to the amazing help from Josh and others, I have been able to get my NFS mount issues resolved (amazing what happens when you add a -f to the insmod command). I have successfully "pushed" elemental audio and video files to my Win2k PC using WarNFS. I have the program1.m2a and program1.m2v files sitting on my local drive. I can view & hear them (separately, of course) on my Win2k machine using Windows Media Player. The video has the telltale green bar, but otherwise looks VERY good, and the audio is perfect. Following the ExtractStream "Howto" I found and downloaded the TMPGEnc program, and even got the Tivo-VCD.mcf "macro" settings. The problem is, when I try to specify my target program1.m2v file within the TMPGEnc application, I get an error telling me that it cannot open or it is unsupported. Has anyone else got this? What is the fix/workaround? I am really more comfortable using the Win2k platform to manipulate the streams. Thanks In Advance! Rob Royse rob@r... http://www.royse.org ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0F79C.C384C0F0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Ok, Thanks to the amazing help from Josh and others, I h= ave been able to get my NFS mount issues resolved (amazing what happens when yo= u add a -f to the insmod command).

 

I have successfully "pushed" elemental audio and video files to my Win2k PC using WarNFS. I have the program1.m2a and program1.m2v files sitting on my local drive.

 

I can view & hear them (separately, of course) on my Win2k machine using Windows Media Player. The video has the telltale green = bar, but otherwise looks VERY good, and the audio is perfect.<= /font>

 

Following the ExtractStream "Howto" I found and downloaded the TMPGEnc program, and even got the Tivo-VCD.mcf "macro" settings.

 

The problem is, when I try to specify my target program1= .m2v file within the TMPGEnc application, I get an error telling me that it cann= ot open or it is unsupported. Has anyone else got this? What is the fix/workaround? I am really more comfortable using the Win2k platform to manipulate the streams.

 

Thanks In Advance!

 

Rob Royse

 

rob@r...

http://www.royse.org

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01C0F79C.C384C0F0-- From georgeh@b... Sun Jun 17 19:29:39 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: georgeh@b... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 18 Jun 2001 02:29:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 25524 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2001 02:29:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2001 02:29:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ej.egroups.com) (10.1.10.49) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Jun 2001 02:29:38 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: georgeh@b... Received: from [10.1.2.33] by ej.egroups.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2001 02:29:38 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 02:29:38 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anyone gotten ExtractStream 0.2 video via httpd.tcl to work on Windows? Message-ID: <9gjp2i+9jiu@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 547 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 24.147.164.44 From: georgeh@b... I can't seem to figure this one out. Using ExtractStream 0.2, I can click on a show via httpd.tcl and stream the multiplexed mpeg data to my PC. I'm getting framing errors on the ethernet interface, so it goes very slowly, but I stopped one download after a while when 15 meg had been downloaded. The resulting MPEG file plays fine using mplayer under Linux, but *no* Windows software seems to recognize it as an MPEG. (I've tried the ATI video player, Microsoft's media player, tmpegenc, and flask-mpeg... none of them work) Any ideas? From byron@v... Mon Jun 18 10:44:27 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: byron@v... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 18 Jun 2001 17:44:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 85034 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2001 17:42:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2001 17:42:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hk.egroups.com) (10.1.10.43) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Jun 2001 17:42:56 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: byron@v... Received: from [10.1.2.43] by hk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2001 17:42:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 17:42:51 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: mpeg2dec Message-ID: <9gleir+fcdt@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 212 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.27.140.23 From: byron@v... what version of mpeg2dec does the documentation refer to? when I run teh suggested command for converting to mpeg1 for vcd creation, I get an error: Invalid video driver: YUVh I'm using mpeg2dec-0.2.0 thanks From dic101@p... Mon Jun 18 15:42:18 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: dic101@p... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 18 Jun 2001 22:42:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 98749 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2001 22:41:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 18 Jun 2001 22:41:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mr.egroups.com) (10.1.1.37) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Jun 2001 22:41:53 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: dic101@p... Received: from [10.1.2.230] by mr.egroups.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2001 22:40:46 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 22:36:56 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: strange behavior in tnlited Message-ID: <9glvq8+kg7j@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1416 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.247.149.234 From: "ircbob" ok.. i reboot the tivo, i can telnet in.. but as soon as i logout, tnlited exits.. i cant get back in! also, if i stay telnet'd in, and i do a plain nmap (no funny switches), i get kicked off, and the daemon seemlingly shuts itself down. ftp and httpd however still work.. has anyone experienced this? really weird behavior... i pasted some logs... [root@w... public_html]# nmap tivo Starting nmap V. 2.54BETA20 ( www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) Interesting ports on tivo (192.168.0.7): (The 1537 ports scanned but not shown below are in state: closed) Port State Service 21/tcp open ftp 23/tcp open telnet 24/tcp open priv-mail 80/tcp open http 500/tcp open isakmp Nmap run completed -- 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 6 seconds [root@w... public_html]# telnet tivo Trying 192.168.0.7... telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused [root@w... public_html]# nmap tivo Starting nmap V. 2.54BETA20 ( www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) Interesting ports on tivo (192.168.0.7): (The 1540 ports scanned but not shown below are in state: closed) Port State Service 21/tcp open ftp 80/tcp open http Nmap run completed -- 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 6 seconds From sjf@c... Mon Jun 18 18:57:10 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sjf@c... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 19 Jun 2001 01:57:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 61339 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2001 01:57:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 19 Jun 2001 01:57:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hj.egroups.com) (10.1.10.42) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Jun 2001 01:57:06 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sjf@c... Received: from [10.1.10.94] by hj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2001 01:57:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 01:57:03 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: strange behavior in tnlited Message-ID: <9gmbhf+sc0d@e...> In-Reply-To: <9glvq8+kg7j@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1686 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 24.0.186.13 From: sjf@c... The tnlited client distributed with tivo is severly broken. Look here for a fixed client. http://mysite.directlink.net/jack/tivonet/downloads/ --- In ExtractStream@y..., "ircbob" wrote: > ok.. i reboot the tivo, i can telnet in.. but as soon as i logout, > tnlited exits.. i cant get back in! also, if i stay telnet'd in, and > i do a plain nmap (no funny switches), i get kicked off, and the > daemon seemlingly shuts itself down. ftp and httpd however still > work.. has anyone experienced this? really weird behavior... > > i pasted some logs... > > [root@w... public_html]# nmap tivo > Starting nmap V. 2.54BETA20 ( www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) > Interesting ports on tivo (192.168.0.7): > (The 1537 ports scanned but not shown below are in state: closed) > Port State Service > 21/tcp open ftp > 23/tcp open telnet > 24/tcp open priv-mail > 80/tcp open http > 500/tcp open isakmp > Nmap run completed -- 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 6 seconds > [root@w... public_html]# telnet tivo > Trying 192.168.0.7... > telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused > > [root@w... public_html]# nmap tivo > > Starting nmap V. 2.54BETA20 ( www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) > Interesting ports on tivo (192.168.0.7): > (The 1540 ports scanned but not shown below are in state: closed) > Port State Service > 21/tcp open ftp > 80/tcp open http > > > Nmap run completed -- 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 6 seconds From andy@a... Tue Jun 19 07:30:05 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: andy@a... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 19 Jun 2001 14:30:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 26772 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2001 14:28:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2001 14:28:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sumatra.americantv.com) (64.73.76.101) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Jun 2001 14:28:22 -0000 Received: from americantv.com (10bnks07.americantv.com [64.73.76.103]) by sumatra.americantv.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f5JES3P02680 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 09:28:03 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from andy@a...) Received: from numb.pcs (unverified) by pcs (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.1) with ESMTP id for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 09:29:20 -0500 Received: from 10bnks02.amtv-mis.pcs (10bnks02.PCS [148.105.10.212]) by numb.pcs (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA20946 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 09:28:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: by 10bnks02.PCS with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 09:27:25 -0500 Message-ID: To: "'ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: [ExtractStream] Re: strange behavior in tnlited Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 09:27:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Barcinski, Andy" In General, nmapp-ing my TiVo severely cripples it. Perhaps that's what's causing your problem. The system and it's services were not designed to stand up to that kind of beating, I'd wager. --Andy -----Original Message----- From: sjf@c... [mailto:sjf@c...] Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 8:57 PM To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ExtractStream] Re: strange behavior in tnlited Sent by mailto:sentto-3437393-108-992915830-andy=americantv.com@r... ______________________________________________ The tnlited client distributed with tivo is severly broken. Look here for a fixed client. http://mysite.directlink.net/jack/tivonet/downloads/ --- In ExtractStream@y..., "ircbob" wrote: > ok.. i reboot the tivo, i can telnet in.. but as soon as i logout, > tnlited exits.. i cant get back in! also, if i stay telnet'd in, and > i do a plain nmap (no funny switches), i get kicked off, and the > daemon seemlingly shuts itself down. ftp and httpd however still > work.. has anyone experienced this? really weird behavior... > > i pasted some logs... > > [root@w... public_html]# nmap tivo > Starting nmap V. 2.54BETA20 ( www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) > Interesting ports on tivo (192.168.0.7): > (The 1537 ports scanned but not shown below are in state: closed) > Port State Service > 21/tcp open ftp > 23/tcp open telnet > 24/tcp open priv-mail > 80/tcp open http > 500/tcp open isakmp > Nmap run completed -- 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 6 seconds > [root@w... public_html]# telnet tivo > Trying 192.168.0.7... > telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused > > [root@w... public_html]# nmap tivo > > Starting nmap V. 2.54BETA20 ( www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) > Interesting ports on tivo (192.168.0.7): > (The 1540 ports scanned but not shown below are in state: closed) > Port State Service > 21/tcp open ftp > 80/tcp open http > > > Nmap run completed -- 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 6 seconds To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ExtractStream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From gsteele@e... Tue Jun 19 08:00:25 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: gsteele@e... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 19 Jun 2001 15:00:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 74324 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2001 15:00:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2001 15:00:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fj.egroups.com) (10.1.10.46) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Jun 2001 15:00:07 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: gsteele@e... Received: from [10.1.10.123] by fj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2001 15:00:07 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 15:00:07 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: audio ok, but corrupted video? Message-ID: <9gnpdn+72dj@e...> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 6268 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 18.82.0.99 From: gsteele@e... I have also had similar problems. Has anyone tried the ExtractStream software on tivo 1.3.0? I've got an HDR112, and I haven't plugged it in to the phone to let it upgrade itself yet: I bought the tivo to use it as a digital VCR, not to subscribe to the service, and I'm a bit worried about the software upgrade stories I've heard. When I try to run ExtractStream, I run into a set of errors starting with "bad chunk", and then continuous complaints about bogus sequence numbers. The resulting .m2a file plays fine, but the .m2v file is just full of junk: it's only a couple of kb. Sometimes, gtv (smpeg based player) identifies it as a 352x480 (?) stream, but there is no video in the file. I was using ExtractStream version 0.2. Also, an unrelated question: what resolution is the mpeg stream the tivo records? Is it 640x480? Just curious. Thanks, Gary. --- In ExtractStream@y..., sharkey@a... wrote: > > Ok, I followed the instructions that used to be posted on the 9thtee > site and pulled a 30 minute medium quality stream off my tivo. (16 hours > over the serial link, ugh, TivoNet ordered) > > I haven't been able to play the files I got, though. The audio file seems > to be a normal mpeg 1 layer 2 audio file and that plays just fine with > mpg123. The video file is identified as mpeg video file by the file > command, but when I run it through mplex, I get: > > marvin% mplex -f 2 -m 2 -o program1.mpeg2 program1.m2[av] > INFO: mplex version 1.4.1 (7.12.2000) > INFO: File program1.m2a is a 11172-3 Audio stream. > INFO: File program1.m2v is a MPEG-1/2 Video stream. > INFO: Scanning Video stream for access units information. > INFO: VIDEO STREAM: > INFO: nStream length : 682563565 > INFO: Sequence start : 4117 > INFO: Sequence end : 0 > INFO: No. Pictures : 62925 > INFO: No. Groups : 4117 > INFO: No. I Frames : 4117 avg. size 38024 bytes > INFO: No. P Frames : 16983 avg. size 16661 bytes > INFO: No. B Frames : 41825 avg. size 5811 bytes > INFO: No. D Frames : 0 avg. size 0 bytes > INFO: Horizontal size: 352 > INFO: Vertical size : 480 > INFO: Aspect ratio : 0.6735 > INFO: Picture rate : 29.970 frames/sec > [lots more INFO clipped] > INFO: New sequence commences... > INFO: sectors muxed: audio=0000000 video=00000000 padding=0000000 > **ERROR: Likely buffer under-run at video sector 105 > **ERROR: Likely buffer under-run at video sector 105 > **ERROR: Likely buffer under-run at video sector 105 > **ERROR: Likely buffer under-run at video sector 105 > **ERROR: Likely buffer under-run at video sector 105 > **ERROR: Likely buffer under-run at video sector 105 > > It produces less than 2MB worth of mpeg2 output. When I try to play that, > I can hear just fine, but the video is garbled and corrupt. And it only > lasts for about 4 seconds. > > Has anyone else seen something like this? > > When I ran ExtractStream, I did get some Bad chunk errors and sequence > number errors. Is this normal? > > [TiVo [p0] root]# ExtractStream 267097 267103 > Attempting to locate tyStream with fsid 267097... > Sector FSID passed (41359) failed to match the FSID value in the sector (1359). > ...tyStream located, sector map follows: > Start Length > 01a80000 00080000 > 00c40000 00040000 > 00c80000 00040000 > Block: 1a80000 Count: 524288 Total blocks 3 > /dev/hda10 has 0x00100000 sectors > /dev/hda11 has 0x03606c00 sectors > Bad chunk, skipping > Bad chunk, skipping000 > Block: c40000 Count: 262144 Total blocks 3 > Block: c80000 Count: 262144 Total blocks 3 > Sequence number bogus 26503c!=247438 at record 0 of 51 > Sequence number bogus 249700!=229e48 at record 0 of 50 > Bad chunk, skipping000 > Attempting to locate tyStream with fsid 267103... > ...tyStream located, sector map follows: > Start Length > 00e00000 00040000 > 00e40000 00020000 > 00e60000 00004000 > Block: e00000 Count: 262144 Total blocks 3 > Bad chunk, skipping000 > Block: e40000 Count: 131072 Total blocks 3 > Sequence number bogus 267dc0!=24a948 at record 0 of 61 > Block: e60000 Count: 16384 Total blocks 3 > Sequence number bogus 211b90!=2c04c0 at record 0 of 51 > Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=24946c at record 0 of 64 > Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=266b90 at record 0 of 63 > Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=283c78 at record 0 of 56 > Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=2a200c at record 7 of 59 > audio failure 0x4f4:0:0x170 0x24:0x69:0x1a > Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=2bf338 at record 0 of 69 > Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=20f7ac at record 0 of 64 > Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=22c138 at record 0 of 52 > Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=24aaec at record 0 of 62 > Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=2682b0 at record 0 of 71 > Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=284f34 at record 0 of 60 > Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=2a23c8 at record 0 of 56 > Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=2c063c at record 0 of 60 > Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=211228 at record 0 of 69 > Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=22db6c at record 0 of 52 > Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=24c1a4 at record 0 of 70 > Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=2688e8 at record 4 of 57 > audio failure 0x4d4:0:0x18c 0xca:0x18:0xe1 > Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=286660 at record 0 of 58 > Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=2a3edc at record 7 of 63 > audio failure 0x4d4:0:0xc0 0x77:0x1f:0x4c > Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=2c12d0 at record 0 of 60 > Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=2121b8 at record 0 of 50 > Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=22fddc at record 0 of 70 > Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=24ca7c at record 2 of 66 > Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=26a504 at record 0 of 61 > Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=288054 at record 0 of 61 > Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=2a5164 at record 0 of 67 > Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=2c1abc at record 0 of 58 > Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=212da4 at record 0 of 50 > Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=2309d8 at record 0 of 66 > Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=24dd6c at record 0 of 61 > Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=26b1e4 at record 0 of 60 > Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=289278 at record 5 of 69 > audio failure 0x5a4:0:0x224 0xc5:0x91:0x64 > Sequence number bogus 28b83c!=2a59e8 at record 0 of 58 > Flushing buffers > > > Eric From sonnikinno@y... Tue Jun 19 18:59:06 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sonnikinno@y... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 20 Jun 2001 01:59:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 19793 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2001 01:59:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 20 Jun 2001 01:59:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mu.egroups.com) (10.1.1.40) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Jun 2001 01:59:06 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sonnikinno@y... Received: from [10.1.2.36] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2001 01:59:05 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 01:59:01 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Win32 Codec Message-ID: <9gp015+u952@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 270 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 24.21.68.121 From: sonnikinno@y... Just a note, I don't know how useful this is since I haven't started toying with ExtractStream yet. Someone submitted to me the following download... http://pvrhack.sonnik.com/tivo/dl_info.asp?DLID=45 Which appears to be a codec to play the m2v files in Windows. From nextguard@a... Tue Jun 19 19:13:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: nextguard@a... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 20 Jun 2001 02:13:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 35027 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2001 02:13:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2001 02:13:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mu.egroups.com) (64.211.240.238) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Jun 2001 02:13:33 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: nextguard@a... Received: from [10.1.4.68] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2001 02:13:17 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 02:13:17 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: What happened to AVS Tivo forum Message-ID: <9gp0rt+8obl@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 56 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 24.31.121.160 From: nextguard@a... Does anybody know hat is going on at AVSForum.com? Paul From nextguard@a... Tue Jun 19 19:52:39 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: nextguard@a... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 20 Jun 2001 02:52:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 17806 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2001 02:52:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2001 02:52:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hj.egroups.com) (10.1.10.42) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Jun 2001 02:52:39 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: nextguard@a... Received: from [10.1.10.111] by hj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2001 02:52:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 02:52:34 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What happened to AVS Tivo forum Message-ID: <9gp35i+itm1@e...> In-Reply-To: <9gp0rt+8obl@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 149 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 24.31.121.160 From: nextguard@a... --- In ExtractStream@y..., nextguard@a... wrote: > Does anybody know hat is going on at AVSForum.com? > Paul It was just an upgrade, they are back. From rick-todd@h... Wed Jun 20 05:44:32 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rick-todd@h... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 20 Jun 2001 12:44:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 92573 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2001 12:44:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 20 Jun 2001 12:44:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO femail6.sdc1.sfba.home.com) (24.0.95.86) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Jun 2001 12:44:31 -0000 Received: from Rick2k ([65.3.80.46]) by femail6.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010620124431.UBSR13670.femail6.sdc1.sfba.home.com@R...> for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 05:44:31 -0700 Reply-To: To: Subject: Really good, or really bad idea Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 06:44:46 -0600 Message-ID: <000d01c0f986$c9b06b50$0101a8c0@V...> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <9gp015+u952@e...> Importance: Normal From: "Richard Todd" I haven't begun playing with ExtractStream yet, or even my TiVo, since I'm still waiting for my TiVoNet card, and my 2 60 Giggers. As a result I don't know that much about the inner workings of a TiVo. Why not just fill up one, or both, of the hard drives on the TiVo, then pull it out, and copy the data over to another box using the IDE chain, rather than the TiVoNet card? Is there processing required on the TiVo's behalf to get the data off? Just a thought... Rick I don't know how World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones... -Albert Einstein From sharkey@a... Wed Jun 20 05:57:21 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sharkey@s... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 20 Jun 2001 12:57:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 50391 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2001 12:57:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2001 12:57:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ale.physics.sunysb.edu) (129.49.56.40) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Jun 2001 12:57:19 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=superk.physics.sunysb.edu) by ale.physics.sunysb.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 15ChXr-000214-00 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 08:57:19 -0400 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy Subject: Re: [ExtractStream] Really good, or really bad idea In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 20 Jun 2001 06:44:46 MDT." <000d01c0f986$c9b06b50$0101a8c0@V...> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 08:57:19 -0400 Sender: sharkey@s... Message-Id: X-eGroups-From: sharkey@s... From: sharkey@a... > Why not just fill up one, or both, of the hard drives on the > TiVo, then pull it out, and copy the data over to another box using the > IDE chain, rather than the TiVoNet card? That's conceivably possible, but a bloody pain in the neck. Why would you want to do that? You'd have to shut to TiVo down, open the case, remove the drives, install them in another machine, boot. Ugh. Why? What I was wondering is if it would be possible to install a removable media IDE drive rather than a hard disk. One of these DVD recoradables that Apple is pushing or something like that. I don't know of any reason why you shouldn't be able to dump straight from the TiVo onto a DVD. Kind of an interesting idea. Eric From info@m... Wed Jun 20 08:17:07 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: info@m... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 20 Jun 2001 15:17:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 86611 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2001 15:15:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2001 15:15:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ajax.cnchost.com) (207.155.248.31) by mta3 with SMTP; 20 Jun 2001 15:15:10 -0000 Received: from localhost (dsl-209191114233.internetconnect.net [209.191.114.233] (may be forged)) by ajax.cnchost.com id LAA03384; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:15:09 -0400 (EDT) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Message-ID: <200106201515.LAA03384@a...> Errors-To: Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 08:14:59 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.388) To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v388) In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [ExtractStream] Really good, or really bad idea Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ben McBeen Drivers. Something like a jaz would be better since they can act as though they are a normal IDE drive. Then the problem becomes size. Orbs are cheep though, and getting larger. On Wednesday, June 20, 2001, at 05:57 AM, sharkey@a... wrote: > What I was wondering is if it would be possible to install a removable > media IDE drive rather than a hard disk. One of these DVD recoradables > that Apple is pushing or something like that. I don't know of any > reason > why you shouldn't be able to dump straight from the TiVo onto a DVD. > Kind of an interesting idea. From syth@m... Wed Jun 20 11:29:10 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: syth@m... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 20 Jun 2001 18:29:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 63491 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2001 18:29:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2001 18:29:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout.mac.com) (204.179.120.88) by mta2 with SMTP; 20 Jun 2001 18:29:06 -0000 Received: by smtpout.mac.com; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:28:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp02.mac.com ([10.13.10.66]) by smtp-relay02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GF8RB000.VFX for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:28:12 -0700 Received: from sgpc-7md339x9j7.mac.com ([64.156.34.102]) by asmtp02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 asmtp02 Jun 6 2001 13:16:42) with ESMTP id GF8RAZ00.MK2 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:28:11 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010620122544.01e9a700@s...> X-Sender: syth@m... X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 12:28:57 -0600 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: ExtractStream Mod Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: Syth There's been a lot of talk on the baord recently about making a single CD backup of the Tivo Drive (ignoring all the streams). Since ExtractStream has been released it's obvious this is possible now. Everyone seems to be waiting on TivoMad to do it. Any chance of this happeneing sooner rather than later? I am getting ready to turn my 14+40 into an 80+40 and really want a backup of the current software. Also, doesn't the ExtractStream come very close to making the divorcing of drives possible? From t.heartfield@b... Thu Jun 21 00:57:23 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: T.Heartfield@b... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 21 Jun 2001 07:57:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 41773 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2001 07:57:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2001 07:57:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO gadolinium.btinternet.com) (194.73.73.111) by mta2 with SMTP; 21 Jun 2001 07:57:22 -0000 Received: from [213.122.117.45] (helo=trevor1) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #9) id 15CzL7-00024U-00 for ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 08:57:22 +0100 Message-ID: <003101c0fa27$ae5be360$2d757ad5@m...> To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010620122544.01e9a700@s...> Subject: Re: [ExtractStream] ExtractStream Mod Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 08:56:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Trevor Heartfield" Be patient ! I've been in contact with Nick on this and we both agree that extractstream is the best code base. There was a problem with extractstream and Mad TiVos which had to be fixed first. Nick has given me the modified code and I will be looking at it today (Thu. 21/6/01). We are going as fast as we can! Kind Regards, Trevor. From gkm@g... Fri Jun 22 02:15:09 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: gkm@g... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 22 Jun 2001 09:15:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 96215 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2001 09:15:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2001 09:15:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jk.egroups.com) (208.50.144.83) by mta3 with SMTP; 22 Jun 2001 09:15:07 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: gkm@g... Received: from [10.1.10.102] by jk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2001 09:15:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 09:15:06 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anyone else working on this? Message-ID: <9gv2aq+5hcj@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 938 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 213.73.110.72 From: gkm@g... I've been wanting to pull streams off my TiVo for some time now. The plan is, instead of grabbing shows with the TiVo, then to tape, extract the stream, Divx the show, then put it on CD. Better quality, much less space. (I have a cabinet of tapes right now, a couple of books would be much neater) So, now I can get video from the TiVo (well, I will once I get back home and assemble my TiVoNet card :) What's needed now is software to convert that data to DiVx and burn the resulting mess to CD. I've got Linux servers that I can put a burner in and that would be the best solution, but if a windows only solution is around, I can live with that. Has anyone tried this? How'd you do it? How well did it work? (can one actually get a 2 hour show down to a CD and still have it watchable on a TV sized screen?) Does the Surround sound remain intact? Greg P.S. A great thanks to everyone who's gotten this project this far! From andy@a... Fri Jun 22 08:07:08 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: andy@a... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 22 Jun 2001 15:07:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 21377 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2001 15:03:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2001 15:03:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sumatra.americantv.com) (64.73.76.101) by mta2 with SMTP; 22 Jun 2001 15:03:41 -0000 Received: from americantv.com (10bnks07.americantv.com [64.73.76.103]) by sumatra.americantv.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f5MF3LP25695 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2001 10:03:21 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from andy@a...) Received: from numb.pcs (unverified) by pcs (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.1) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2001 10:04:40 -0500 Received: from 10bnks02.amtv-mis.pcs (10bnks02.PCS [148.105.10.212]) by numb.pcs (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA13665 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2001 10:03:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: by 10bnks02.PCS with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 22 Jun 2001 10:02:42 -0500 Message-ID: To: "'ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: [ExtractStream] Anyone else working on this? Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 10:02:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Barcinski, Andy" Why not just use TMPGEnc? It should do this just fine. Just download the DivX ;-) codec and everything should work seamlessly. Although, I wouldn't recommend using DivX ;-) I'd use MPEG 4 v2. And just so everyone is aware, someone asking this question brings up the whole piracy/TiVo Napster thing. If you're doing vidcaps to archive your own stuff, fine. But please don't think about the other thing. -----Original Message----- From: gkm@g... [mailto:gkm@g...] Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 4:15 AM To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ExtractStream] Anyone else working on this? Sent by mailto:sentto-3437393-119-993201309-andy=americantv.com@r... ______________________________________________ I've been wanting to pull streams off my TiVo for some time now. The plan is, instead of grabbing shows with the TiVo, then to tape, extract the stream, Divx the show, then put it on CD. Better quality, much less space. (I have a cabinet of tapes right now, a couple of books would be much neater) So, now I can get video from the TiVo (well, I will once I get back home and assemble my TiVoNet card :) What's needed now is software to convert that data to DiVx and burn the resulting mess to CD. I've got Linux servers that I can put a burner in and that would be the best solution, but if a windows only solution is around, I can live with that. Has anyone tried this? How'd you do it? How well did it work? (can one actually get a 2 hour show down to a CD and still have it watchable on a TV sized screen?) Does the Surround sound remain intact? Greg P.S. A great thanks to everyone who's gotten this project this far! To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ExtractStream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From dpgerdes@r... Fri Jun 22 08:35:28 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: dpgerdes@r... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 22 Jun 2001 15:35:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 17440 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2001 15:35:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2001 15:35:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO topquark.roadkill.com) (65.161.114.8) by mta2 with SMTP; 22 Jun 2001 15:35:27 -0000 Received: (from dpgerdes@l...) by topquark.roadkill.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA04062 for ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 22 Jun 2001 10:35:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200106221535.KAA04062@t...> Subject: Re: [ExtractStream] Anyone else working on this? In-Reply-To: <9gv2aq+5hcj@e...> from "gkm@g..." at "Jun 22, 2001 09:15:06 am" To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 10:35:26 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL66 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Gerdes Like you I want to rid myself of VHS tapes and migrate to VCDs. I pulled all the pieces together for a Linux solution. (not divx, but straight VCD format) as laid out in NickHull's very detailed document. After a week of work building the machine and requisite software, I got stopped by the patched mpeg2dec core dumping consistantly. I need to revisit my build for that program. gkm@g... wrote: > I've been wanting to pull streams off my TiVo for some time now. > The plan is, instead of grabbing shows with the TiVo, then to tape, > extract the stream, Divx the show, then put it on CD. Better > quality, much less space. (I have a cabinet of tapes right now, a > couple of books would be much neater) > > So, now I can get video from the TiVo (well, I will once I get back > home and assemble my TiVoNet card :) > What's needed now is software to convert that data to DiVx and burn > the resulting mess to CD. I've got Linux servers that I can put a > burner in and that would be the best solution, but if a windows only > solution is around, I can live with that. > > Has anyone tried this? How'd you do it? How well did it work? > (can one actually get a 2 hour show down to a CD and still have it > watchable on a TV sized screen?) Does the Surround sound remain > intact? > > Greg > P.S. A great thanks to everyone who's gotten this project this far! > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > ExtractStream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > -- David From rjseymour@y... Fri Jun 22 08:53:22 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjseymour@y... X-Apparently-To: extractstream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 22 Jun 2001 15:53:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 32276 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2001 15:53:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2001 15:53:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp011.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.31) by mta3 with SMTP; 22 Jun 2001 15:53:21 -0000 Received: from dsl081-071-005.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO TIGGER) (64.81.71.5) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2001 15:53:20 -0000 X-Apparently-From: To: , Subject: Tivo to Divx (Was RE: [ExtractStream] Anyone else working on this?) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 08:51:52 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <9gv2aq+5hcj@e...> From: "Robert J. Seymour, Jr." From: gkm@g... [mailto:gkm@g...] > I've been wanting to pull streams off my TiVo for some time now. > The plan is, instead of grabbing shows with the TiVo, then to tape, > extract the stream, Divx the show, then put it on CD. [ ... ] > What's needed now is software to convert that data to DiVx and burn > the resulting mess to CD. I've got Linux servers that I can put a > burner in and that would be the best solution, but if a windows only > solution is around, I can live with that. This is the route I currently take with DVD movies and TV shows captured on my ATI Radeon AIW. I'm planning on doing this from my TiVo as well once I get the ethernet card. The encoding process is very CPU intensive, but the results are very good (*much* better quality than VCD) and can fit a full DVD movie on a CD. You'll still see encoding artifacts with this much compression, but I don't find them particularly distracting (YMMV). I'll make VCD copies of most things as well, but I keep the Divx version around as my computer archive and play from the computer when I want better quality (the VCD is more convenient since I can just stick it in my DVD player). > Has anyone tried this? How'd you do it? How well did it work? > (can one actually get a 2 hour show down to a CD and still have it > watchable on a TV sized screen?) Does the Surround sound remain > intact? First, extract and download the streams to MPEG2 as per the ExtractStream instructions (the Tivo box itself doesn't have the horsepower for effective Divx encoding.). There are linux tools for MPEG2 to divx encoding, but I tend to use the windows tools which I think are much better and easier to use (my windows box is also faster). Search around and you'll find lots of options, http://www.divx-digest.com/ is a good place to start for windows, http://xmps.sourceforge.com/ or http://www.emulinks.de/divx/ for linux. As for quality, try it out and judge for yourself (or download some tasty divx shows or movies from gnutella and install just a player). I find the results to be respectable on my 36" TV at high levels of compression (a little over 2 hours per CD - about 1Kbit/low and 96Kbit MP3 audio), and nearly identical to cable with lesser amounts of compression (say 1 hour per CD - approx 1.7Kbit/low w/128Kbit MP3 audio). You loose surround sound and typically encode the audio to MP3 for space savings. To compare to Tivo's MPEG2 compression, I'd say that divx rates somewhere between basic and good depending on the amount of compression you use. Overall, I think divx on cd is the best combination of quality, archival cost, and convenience for archiving. The main downside is that they are only playable on a reasonably fast computer, which may not be part of your a/v system. S-VHS will have comparable (though often less objectionable downsides to) quality but the tape cost is comparatively high, storage is bulky, and the process isn't automatable (you could script the entire archive to divx process to run every night). VCD is compact and playable on a DVD player, but the quality is a lot less than Divx (I find it distracting most of the time). DVD-R is still just too damn expensive (drive and media both), though that's the ideal route in the long run when costs come down. Regards, RJS _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From rjseymour@y... Fri Jun 22 11:20:08 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rjseymour@y... X-Apparently-To: extractstream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 22 Jun 2001 18:20:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 54756 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2001 18:20:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2001 18:20:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp016.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.113) by mta3 with SMTP; 22 Jun 2001 18:20:07 -0000 Received: from dsl081-071-005.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO TIGGER) (64.81.71.5) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2001 18:20:07 -0000 X-Apparently-From: To: Subject: RE: [ExtractStream] Anyone else working on this? Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 11:18:39 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <9gv2aq+5hcj@e...> From: "Robert J. Seymour, Jr." From: gkm@g... [mailto:gkm@g...] > I've been wanting to pull streams off my TiVo for some time now. > The plan is, instead of grabbing shows with the TiVo, then to tape, > extract the stream, Divx the show, then put it on CD. [ ... ] > What's needed now is software to convert that data to DiVx and burn > the resulting mess to CD. I've got Linux servers that I can put a > burner in and that would be the best solution, but if a windows only > solution is around, I can live with that. This is the route I currently take with DVD movies and TV shows captured on my ATI Radeon AIW. I'm planning on doing this from my TiVo as well once I get the ethernet card. The encoding process is very CPU intensive, but the results are very good (*much* better quality than VCD) and can fit a full DVD movie on a CD. You'll still see encoding artifacts with this much compression, but I don't find them particularly distracting (YMMV). I'll make VCD copies of most things as well, but I keep the Divx version around as my computer archive and play from the computer when I want better quality (the VCD is more convenient since I can just stick it in my DVD player). > Has anyone tried this? How'd you do it? How well did it work? > (can one actually get a 2 hour show down to a CD and still have it > watchable on a TV sized screen?) Does the Surround sound remain > intact? First, extract and download the streams to MPEG2 as per the ExtractStream instructions (the Tivo box itself doesn't have the horsepower for effective Divx encoding.). There are linux tools for MPEG2 to divx encoding, but I tend to use the windows tools which I think are much better and easier to use (my windows box is also faster). Search around and you'll find lots of options, http://www.divx-digest.com/ is a good place to start for windows, http://xmps.sourceforge.com/ or http://www.emulinks.de/divx/ for linux. As for quality, try it out and judge for yourself (or download some tasty divx shows or movies from gnutella and install just a player). I find the results to be respectable on my 36" TV at high levels of compression (a little over 2 hours per CD - about 1Kbit/low and 96Kbit MP3 audio), and nearly identical to cable with lesser amounts of compression (say 1 hour per CD - approx 1.7Kbit/low w/128Kbit MP3 audio). You loose surround sound and typically encode the audio to MP3 for space savings. To compare to Tivo's MPEG2 compression, I'd say that divx rates somewhere between basic and good depending on the amount of compression you use. Overall, I think divx on cd is the best combination of quality, archival cost, and convenience for archiving. The main downside is that they are only playable on a reasonably fast computer, which may not be part of your a/v system. S-VHS will have comparable (though often less objectionable downsides to) quality but the tape cost is comparatively high, storage is bulky, and the process isn't automatable (you could script the entire archive to divx process to run every night). VCD is compact and playable on a DVD player, but the quality is a lot less than Divx (I find it distracting most of the time). DVD-R is still just too damn expensive (drive and media both), though that's the ideal route in the long run when costs come down. Regards, RJS _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From david.yahoo@b... Fri Jun 22 13:39:00 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: david.yahoo@b... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 22 Jun 2001 20:39:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 56041 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2001 20:38:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2001 20:38:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ei.egroups.com) (10.1.2.114) by mta1 with SMTP; 22 Jun 2001 20:38:59 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: david.yahoo@b... Received: from [10.1.2.36] by ei.egroups.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2001 20:38:57 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 20:38:51 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: help! tivo won't boot now Message-ID: <9h0acr+jaf3@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2159 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.103.9.177 From: "David Beccue" Let me know if this isn't the right forum. I'm desperate. I had almost everything ready to start my first extraction. I was studying the httpd.tcl file to see how the extraction mechansim worked through the web. All was fine. I killed process 210, the "tivosh httpd.tcl" process, and all of a sudden Tivo rebooted, and it's never made it back up since. I've looked at the log files on another computer, I can send excerpts from them, if useful. The most useful excerpt seems to be the following out of tverr: Jun 22 15:49:15 (none) TmkMultiMpegClip::Trace[128]: Tried to delete reader clip Jun 22 15:54:58 (none) TmkMultiMpegClip::Trace[128]: Tried to delete reader clip Jun 22 16:48:01 (none) Recorder[128]: Live cache exceeding limit by 373 seconds Jun 22 18:52:50 (none) TmkEventSwitcher[66]: MFS-using group 210 died! Jan 1 00:00:47 (none) TmkAssertionFailure[58]: (FsPhysDisk, line 153 ()) Jan 1 00:00:47 (none) MfsDaemon[58]: Tmk Fatal Error: Thread MfsDaemon <58> died due to signal -2 Jan 1 00:00:47 (none) MfsDaemon[58]: Tmk Thread Backtrace: 3015a570 301583c8 300f6310 300e85b0 300e8070 300ea400 300eafbc 300e25d0 30068734 30067328 3015581c 3015ad4c 3015ae98 301559fc 300695e4 30068c94 30068b40 30155b68 3015ad4c 3015ae98 30155c70 30155d84 30068d4c 1801dd8 1801f80 1801be8 Jan 1 00:00:47 (none) MfsDaemon[58]: Tmk Fatal Error: Thread died due to signal -2 Jan 1 00:00:47 (none) MfsDaemon[58]: Invoking rule 834: rebooting system Jan 1 00:00:14 (none) TmkAssertionFailure[58]: (FsPhysDisk, line 153 ()) Jan 1 00:00:14 (none) MfsDaemon[58]: Tmk Fatal Error: Thread MfsDaemon <58> died due to signal -2 Jan 1 00:00:14 (none) MfsDaemon[58]: Tmk Thread Backtrace: 3015a570 301583c8 300f6310 300e85b0 300e8070 300ea400 300eafbc 300e25d0 30068734 30067328 3015581c 3015ad4c 3015ae98 301559fc 300695e4 30068c94 30068b40 30155b68 3015ad4c 3015ae98 30155c70 30155d84 30068d4c 1801dd8 1801f80 1801be8 Jan 1 00:00:14 (none) MfsDaemon[58]: Tmk Fatal Error: Thread died due to signal -2 Jan 1 00:00:14 (none) MfsDaemon[58]: Invoking rule 834: rebooting system Can anyone recommend anything I can do? THanks, David From david.yahoo@b... Fri Jun 22 13:39:10 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: david.yahoo@b... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 22 Jun 2001 20:39:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 56438 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2001 20:39:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2001 20:39:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ei.egroups.com) (10.1.2.114) by mta1 with SMTP; 22 Jun 2001 20:39:09 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: david.yahoo@b... Received: from [10.1.2.36] by ei.egroups.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2001 20:39:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 20:38:57 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: help! tivo won't boot now Message-ID: <9h0ad2+n3fo@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2159 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 216.103.9.177 From: "David Beccue" Let me know if this isn't the right forum. I'm desperate. I had almost everything ready to start my first extraction. I was studying the httpd.tcl file to see how the extraction mechansim worked through the web. All was fine. I killed process 210, the "tivosh httpd.tcl" process, and all of a sudden Tivo rebooted, and it's never made it back up since. I've looked at the log files on another computer, I can send excerpts from them, if useful. The most useful excerpt seems to be the following out of tverr: Jun 22 15:49:15 (none) TmkMultiMpegClip::Trace[128]: Tried to delete reader clip Jun 22 15:54:58 (none) TmkMultiMpegClip::Trace[128]: Tried to delete reader clip Jun 22 16:48:01 (none) Recorder[128]: Live cache exceeding limit by 373 seconds Jun 22 18:52:50 (none) TmkEventSwitcher[66]: MFS-using group 210 died! Jan 1 00:00:47 (none) TmkAssertionFailure[58]: (FsPhysDisk, line 153 ()) Jan 1 00:00:47 (none) MfsDaemon[58]: Tmk Fatal Error: Thread MfsDaemon <58> died due to signal -2 Jan 1 00:00:47 (none) MfsDaemon[58]: Tmk Thread Backtrace: 3015a570 301583c8 300f6310 300e85b0 300e8070 300ea400 300eafbc 300e25d0 30068734 30067328 3015581c 3015ad4c 3015ae98 301559fc 300695e4 30068c94 30068b40 30155b68 3015ad4c 3015ae98 30155c70 30155d84 30068d4c 1801dd8 1801f80 1801be8 Jan 1 00:00:47 (none) MfsDaemon[58]: Tmk Fatal Error: Thread died due to signal -2 Jan 1 00:00:47 (none) MfsDaemon[58]: Invoking rule 834: rebooting system Jan 1 00:00:14 (none) TmkAssertionFailure[58]: (FsPhysDisk, line 153 ()) Jan 1 00:00:14 (none) MfsDaemon[58]: Tmk Fatal Error: Thread MfsDaemon <58> died due to signal -2 Jan 1 00:00:14 (none) MfsDaemon[58]: Tmk Thread Backtrace: 3015a570 301583c8 300f6310 300e85b0 300e8070 300ea400 300eafbc 300e25d0 30068734 30067328 3015581c 3015ad4c 3015ae98 301559fc 300695e4 30068c94 30068b40 30155b68 3015ad4c 3015ae98 30155c70 30155d84 30068d4c 1801dd8 1801f80 1801be8 Jan 1 00:00:14 (none) MfsDaemon[58]: Tmk Fatal Error: Thread died due to signal -2 Jan 1 00:00:14 (none) MfsDaemon[58]: Invoking rule 834: rebooting system Can anyone recommend anything I can do? THanks, David From sjf@c... Fri Jun 22 20:54:33 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sjf@c... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 23 Jun 2001 03:54:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 17955 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2001 03:54:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2001 03:54:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hj.egroups.com) (10.1.10.42) by mta1 with SMTP; 23 Jun 2001 03:54:32 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sjf@c... Received: from [10.1.10.97] by hj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2001 03:54:32 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 03:54:31 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: help! tivo won't boot now Message-ID: <9h13tn+641v@e...> In-Reply-To: <9h0ad2+n3fo@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2602 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 24.0.186.13 From: sjf@c... Well, I can't help much, but I can tell you that it is not unusual to have the tivo reboot when killing httpd.tcl. It seems to that to me on a regular basis. Especially if httpd was trying to do something. (I haven't really got it to work right yet...) --- In ExtractStream@y..., "David Beccue" wrote: > > Let me know if this isn't the right forum. > > I'm desperate. > > I had almost everything ready to start my first extraction. I was > studying the httpd.tcl file to see how the extraction mechansim > worked through the web. All was fine. > > I killed process 210, the "tivosh httpd.tcl" process, and all of a > sudden Tivo rebooted, and it's never made it back up since. > > I've looked at the log files on another computer, I can send excerpts > from them, if useful. > > The most useful excerpt seems to be the following out of tverr: > > Jun 22 15:49:15 (none) TmkMultiMpegClip::Trace[128]: Tried to delete > reader clip > Jun 22 15:54:58 (none) TmkMultiMpegClip::Trace[128]: Tried to delete > reader clip > Jun 22 16:48:01 (none) Recorder[128]: Live cache exceeding limit by > 373 seconds > Jun 22 18:52:50 (none) TmkEventSwitcher[66]: MFS-using group 210 died! > Jan 1 00:00:47 (none) TmkAssertionFailure[58]: (FsPhysDisk, line > 153 ()) > Jan 1 00:00:47 (none) MfsDaemon[58]: Tmk Fatal Error: Thread > MfsDaemon <58> died due to signal -2 > Jan 1 00:00:47 (none) MfsDaemon[58]: Tmk Thread Backtrace: 3015a570 > 301583c8 300f6310 300e85b0 300e8070 300ea400 300eafbc 300e25d0 > 30068734 30067328 3015581c 3015ad4c 3015ae98 301559fc 300695e4 > 30068c94 30068b40 30155b68 3015ad4c 3015ae98 30155c70 30155d84 > 30068d4c 1801dd8 1801f80 1801be8 > Jan 1 00:00:47 (none) MfsDaemon[58]: Tmk Fatal Error: Thread died > due to signal -2 > Jan 1 00:00:47 (none) MfsDaemon[58]: Invoking rule 834: rebooting > system > Jan 1 00:00:14 (none) TmkAssertionFailure[58]: (FsPhysDisk, line > 153 ()) > Jan 1 00:00:14 (none) MfsDaemon[58]: Tmk Fatal Error: Thread > MfsDaemon <58> died due to signal -2 > Jan 1 00:00:14 (none) MfsDaemon[58]: Tmk Thread Backtrace: 3015a570 > 301583c8 300f6310 300e85b0 300e8070 300ea400 300eafbc 300e25d0 > 30068734 30067328 3015581c 3015ad4c 3015ae98 301559fc 300695e4 > 30068c94 30068b40 30155b68 3015ad4c 3015ae98 30155c70 30155d84 > 30068d4c 1801dd8 1801f80 1801be8 > Jan 1 00:00:14 (none) MfsDaemon[58]: Tmk Fatal Error: Thread died > due to signal -2 > Jan 1 00:00:14 (none) MfsDaemon[58]: Invoking rule 834: rebooting > system > > > Can anyone recommend anything I can do? > > THanks, > David From rob@r... Fri Jun 22 21:11:55 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rob@r... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 23 Jun 2001 04:11:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 72058 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2001 04:11:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2001 04:11:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ntserver.royse.org) (24.11.40.8) by mta2 with SMTP; 23 Jun 2001 04:11:53 -0000 Received: by ntserver.royse.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 22 Jun 2001 23:18:39 -0500 Message-ID: <6CA344EA8CE583468F1255014AEA5B7E6C0B@n...> To: "'ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: NFS issues Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 23:18:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0FB9B.91B40290" From: Rob Royse ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0FB9B.91B40290 Content-Type: text/plain Ok, after deciding to move away from using the WarNFS daemon on my Win2k PC (it was very buggy) I decided to move the NFS duties over to the Linux box (SUSE 7.1) that is already doing the SAMBA duties. The basic issue is that despite the fact that I have edited the /etc/exports file on the SUSE box to reflect the fact that the originating IP of the Tivo (192.168.0.110 in this case) should be permitted RW access to the /tmp/tivo folder on the SUSE (192.168.0.71) box. I then load the NFS daemon on the Tivo, and then create a directory under /var/tmp on the tivo called streams. I then proceed to mount /tmp/tivo on the SUSE box as /var/tmp/streams on the TIVO: mount 192.168.0.71:/tmp/tivo /var/tmp/streams The mount command works, and I can do an ls on it to see it is empty. Then I issue a mkdir command to test if it is truly RW, and it fails every time: bash-2.02# mkdir a mkdir: cannot make directory `a': Read-only file system So, Why does this happen? I have triple-checked the SUSE box to make sure that the /etc/exports file is correct, and does in fact make that dir specified is in fact RW, and it is. Anyone have any idea why this is?? Thanks ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0FB9B.91B40290 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Ok, after deci= ding to move away from using the WarNFS daemon on my= Win2k PC (it was very buggy) I decided to move the NFS duties over to the Linux b= ox (SUSE 7.1) that is already doing the SAMBA duties.

The basic issue is that despite the fact that I have edited t= he /etc/exports file on the SUSE box to reflect the fact that the originating = IP of the Tivo (192.168.0.110 in this case) should be permitted RW access to the /tmp/tivo folder on the SUSE (192.168.0.71) box. =

I then load the NFS daemon on the Tivo, and then create a directory under /va= r/tmp on the tivo called streams. <= /font>

I then proceed to mount /tmp/ti= vo on the SUSE box as /var/tmp/streams on the TIVO:

mount 192.168.0.71:/tmp/tivo /var/tm= p/streams

The mount command works, and I can do an ls on it to see it is empty. Then I issue a mkdir comm= and to test if it is truly RW, and it fails every time: <= /p>

bash-2.02# mkdir a
mkdir: cannot make d= irectory `a': Read-only file system

So, Why does this happen? I have triple-checked the = SUSE box to make sure that the /etc/exports file is correct, and does in fact ma= ke that dir specified is in fact RW, and it is.

Anyone have any idea why this is??

Thanks

 

 

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01C0FB9B.91B40290-- From sharkey@a... Fri Jun 22 22:03:39 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sharkey@s... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 23 Jun 2001 05:03:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 86251 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2001 05:03:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 23 Jun 2001 05:03:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ale.physics.sunysb.edu) (129.49.56.40) by mta2 with SMTP; 23 Jun 2001 05:03:38 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=superk.physics.sunysb.edu) by ale.physics.sunysb.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 15Dfa5-0004R5-00 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2001 01:03:37 -0400 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy Subject: Re: [ExtractStream] NFS issues In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 22 Jun 2001 23:18:34 CDT." <6CA344EA8CE583468F1255014AEA5B7E6C0B@n...> Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 01:03:37 -0400 Sender: sharkey@s... Message-Id: X-eGroups-From: sharkey@s... From: sharkey@a... > The mount command works, and I can do an ls on it to see it is empty. Then I > issue a mkdir command to test if it is truly RW, and it fails every time: > bash-2.02# mkdir a > mkdir: cannot make directory `a': Read-only file system > So, Why does this happen? I have triple-checked the SUSE box to make sure > that the /etc/exports file is correct, and does in fact make that dir > specified is in fact RW, and it is. > Anyone have any idea why this is?? I saw this happen on one server when we switched from the user-space nfs daemon to the kernel server. We had to fix it ASAP, so we just switched back to the user-space server an all was well again, so I never discovered the root of the problem. In general, knfsd is a lot more anal about permission checking. Check /var/log/* on your server for more clues. Eric From g@n... Fri Jun 22 22:54:34 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: g@a... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 23 Jun 2001 05:54:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 28094 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2001 05:54:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2001 05:54:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO april.netcraft.com.au) (203.16.231.73) by mta3 with SMTP; 23 Jun 2001 05:54:29 -0000 Received: (from g@l...) by april.netcraft.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07776 for ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 23 Jun 2001 15:24:27 +0930 Message-Id: <200106230554.PAA07776@a...> Subject: Re: [ExtractStream] NFS issues To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 15:24:26 +0930 (CST) In-Reply-To: <6CA344EA8CE583468F1255014AEA5B7E6C0B@n...> from "Rob Royse" at Jun 22, 2001 11:18:34 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Geoffrey D. Bennett" > So, Why does this happen? I have triple-checked the SUSE box to make sure > that the /etc/exports file is correct, and does in fact make that dir > specified is in fact RW, and it is. > Anyone have any idea why this is?? You didn't post your the line from your /etc/exports file, so I'm only guessing, but a common problem people have is that they put a space between the hostname and the options. Ie. you should do: /blah hostname(rw) not /blah hostname (rw) -- Geoffrey D. Bennett, RHCE, RHCX geoffrey@n... Senior Systems Engineer http://www.netcraft.com.au/geoffrey/ NetCraft Australia Pty Ltd http://www.netcraft.com.au/linux/ From rob@r... Sat Jun 23 07:04:50 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rob@r... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 23 Jun 2001 14:04:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 2046 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2001 14:04:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2001 14:04:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ntserver.royse.org) (24.11.40.8) by mta1 with SMTP; 23 Jun 2001 14:04:48 -0000 Received: by ntserver.royse.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sat, 23 Jun 2001 09:11:29 -0500 Message-ID: <6CA344EA8CE583468F1255014AEA5B7E6C0C@n...> To: "'ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: [ExtractStream] NFS issues Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 09:11:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0FBEE.62011440" From: Rob Royse ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0FBEE.62011440 Content-Type: text/plain Geoffrey, You were exactly right, I went back a looked at the /etc/exports, and I did have a space. Unfortunately, the problem remains. After I made the change, I rebooted both the SUSE box and the Tivo, and still get the permission denied error after loading NFS on the Tivo and the mount command. It mounts ok, but then will not let me write to or create a directory on the exported share. What should I look at next? I saw the post from another offering help about the user space nfs daemon, but that promptly went right over my head (relative linux newbie here). Thanks again for everyone's help! Rob Royse rob@r... http://www.royse.org -----Original Message----- From: Geoffrey D. Bennett [mailto:g@n...] Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 12:54 AM To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ExtractStream] NFS issues > So, Why does this happen? I have triple-checked the SUSE box to make sure > that the /etc/exports file is correct, and does in fact make that dir > specified is in fact RW, and it is. > Anyone have any idea why this is?? You didn't post your the line from your /etc/exports file, so I'm only guessing, but a common problem people have is that they put a space between the hostname and the options. Ie. you should do: /blah hostname(rw) not /blah hostname (rw) -- Geoffrey D. Bennett, RHCE, RHCX geoffrey@n... Senior Systems Engineer http://www.netcraft.com.au/geoffrey/ NetCraft Australia Pty Ltd http://www.netcraft.com.au/linux/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Click Here! To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ExtractStream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0FBEE.62011440 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Geoffrey,

 

You were exactly right, I went back a looked at the /etc/exports, and I did have a space.

 

Unfortunately, the problem remains.

 

After I made the change, I rebooted bo= th the SUSE box and the Tivo, and still get the permission denied error after loading NFS on the Tivo= and the mount command.

 

It mounts ok, but then will not let me write to or create a directory on the exported share.

 

What should I look at next? I saw the = post from another offering help about the user space nfs daemon, but that promptly went right over my head (relative linux newbie here).

 

Thanks again for everyone's help!

 

= Rob Royse=

=  

= rob@r...

= http://www.royse.org=

 

-----Original Message----- From: Geoffrey D. Bennett [mailto:g@n...]
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 200= 1 12:54 AM
To: ExtractStream@y...= s.com
Subject: Re: [ExtractStream]= NFS issues

 

> So, Why does this happen? I have triple-che= cked the SUSE box to make sure
> that the /etc/exports file is correct, = and does in fact make that dir
> specified is in fact RW, and it is.
> Anyone have any idea why this is??

You didn't post your the line from your /etc/exports file, so I'm only
guessing, but a common problem people have i= s that they put a space
between the hostname and the options.  = Ie. you should do:
/blah hostname(rw)
not
/blah hostname (rw)

--
Geoffrey D. Bennett, RHCE, RHCX            = ;   geoffrey@n...
Senior Systems Engineer           http://www.netcraft.com.au/ge= offrey/
NetCraft Australia Pty Ltd           http://www.netcraft.com.au/linux= /


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------_=_NextPart_001_01C0FBEE.62011440-- From sharkey@a... Sat Jun 23 07:18:55 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sharkey@s... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 23 Jun 2001 14:18:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 28668 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2001 14:18:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2001 14:18:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ale.physics.sunysb.edu) (129.49.56.40) by mta2 with SMTP; 23 Jun 2001 14:18:54 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=superk.physics.sunysb.edu) by ale.physics.sunysb.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 15DoFR-0005ZQ-00 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2001 10:18:53 -0400 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy Subject: Re: [ExtractStream] NFS issues In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 23 Jun 2001 09:11:23 CDT." <6CA344EA8CE583468F1255014AEA5B7E6C0C@n...> Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 10:18:51 -0400 Sender: sharkey@s... Message-Id: X-eGroups-From: sharkey@s... From: sharkey@a... > What should I look at next? /var/log/* Seriously. cd /var/log, ls -latr, to see recently modifed files, mount from the tivo and try (and fail) to write to a file, ls -latr again and see which files have been modied. Read the log messages. They'll likely give you an idea of what the problem is. > I saw the post from another offering help about > the user space nfs daemon, but that promptly went right over my head A daemon is a program that runs in the backgrounda and (frequently) listens to the network and answers requests for information from other programs. There are two NFS daemons available for linux. The original one (user-space) is a separate program and you should be able to see it running in the process table: nurock% ps uax | grep nfs root 468 0.1 0.3 2980 936 ? S Jun20 7:01 /usr/sbin/rpc.nfsd sharkey 5635 0.0 0.2 1336 512 pts/12 S 23:11 0:00 grep nfs nurock% That will at least you know if you're running the user-space server. The newer daemon is actually integrated into the Linux kernel itself. Under certain conditions, the kernel daemon is faster than the user space (non-kernel) daemon, but for most home users you're not likely to see much of a difference. None whatsoever from the Tivo. I don't know how Suse configures itself. Under Debian, you can choose which server to use. There's a package called nfs-kernel-server and another called nfs-user-server and you can install either one, but not both. You should ask someone more familiar with Suse how to choose which server to run. Eric From rob@r... Sat Jun 23 10:46:17 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rob@r... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 23 Jun 2001 17:46:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 69439 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2001 17:46:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2001 17:46:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ntserver.royse.org) (24.11.40.8) by mta3 with SMTP; 23 Jun 2001 17:46:14 -0000 Received: by ntserver.royse.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sat, 23 Jun 2001 12:52:53 -0500 Message-ID: <6CA344EA8CE583468F1255014AEA5B7E6C0E@n...> To: "'ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: [ExtractStream] NFS issues Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 12:52:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0FC0D.533105F0" From: Rob Royse ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0FC0D.533105F0 Content-Type: text/plain Thanks for your help. I checked /var/log/messages, and this is what I can find, multiple times (corresponding to my attempts to write) and I think it is directly related, but I can't make anything of the error codes: Jun 23 08:43:43 suse71 rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from 192.168.0.110:743 for /tmp/tivo (/tmp/tivo) Jun 23 08:43:57 suse71 rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from 192.168.0.110:745 for /tmp/tivo (/tmp/tivo) Jun 23 08:44:06 suse71 kernel: fh_verify: tmp/tivo permission failure, acc=3, error=13 I am running SUSE 7.1 (kernel 2.4) and have made no modifications that I am aware of to NFS. It should be whatever is default with SUSE 7.1 If you have an idea of what it is, please let me know. Your assistance is GREATLY APPRECIATED. Thanks, Rob Royse -----Original Message----- From: sharkey@a... [mailto:sharkey@a...] Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 9:19 AM To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ExtractStream] NFS issues > What should I look at next? /var/log/* Seriously. cd /var/log, ls -latr, to see recently modifed files, mount from the tivo and try (and fail) to write to a file, ls -latr again and see which files have been modied. Read the log messages. They'll likely give you an idea of what the problem is. > I saw the post from another offering help about > the user space nfs daemon, but that promptly went right over my head A daemon is a program that runs in the backgrounda and (frequently) listens to the network and answers requests for information from other programs. There are two NFS daemons available for linux. The original one (user-space) is a separate program and you should be able to see it running in the process table: nurock% ps uax | grep nfs root 468 0.1 0.3 2980 936 ? S Jun20 7:01 /usr/sbin/rpc.nfsd sharkey 5635 0.0 0.2 1336 512 pts/12 S 23:11 0:00 grep nfs nurock% That will at least you know if you're running the user-space server. The newer daemon is actually integrated into the Linux kernel itself. Under certain conditions, the kernel daemon is faster than the user space (non-kernel) daemon, but for most home users you're not likely to see much of a difference. None whatsoever from the Tivo. I don't know how Suse configures itself. Under Debian, you can choose which server to use. There's a package called nfs-kernel-server and another called nfs-user-server and you can install either one, but not both. You should ask someone more familiar with Suse how to choose which server to run. Eric Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Click Here! To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ExtractStream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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Thanks for your help. I checked /var= /log/messages, and this is what I can find, multiple times (corresponding to my attempts t= o write) and I think it is directly related, but I can't make anything of the error codes:

 

Jun 23 08:43:43 suse71 rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request = from 192.168.0.110:743 for /tmp/tivo (/tmp/tivo)

Jun 23 08:43:57 suse71 rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request = from 192.168.0.110:745 for /tmp/tivo (/tmp/tivo)

Jun 23 08:44:06 suse71 kernel: fh_verify: = tmp/tivo permission failure, acc=3D3, error=3D13

 

I am running SUSE 7.1 (kernel 2.4) and have made no modifications that I am aware of to NFS. It should be whatever= is default with SUSE 7.1

 

If you have an idea of what it is, ple= ase let me know. Your assistance is GREAT= LY APPRECIATED.

 

Thanks,

 

= Rob Royse=

=  

-----Original Message----- From: sharkey@a...= nysb.edu [mailto:sharkey@a...]
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 <= /font>9:19 AM
T= o: ExtractStream@y...= m=
Subject: Re: [ExtractStream]= NFS issues

 

> What should I look at next?

/var/log/*

Seriously.  cd /var/log, ls -latr, to s= ee recently modifed files, mount
from the tivo and try (and fail) to write to= a file, ls -latr again and
see which files have been modied.  Read= the log messages.  They'll
likely give you an idea of what the problem = is.

> I saw the post from another offering he= lp about
> the user space nfs daemon, but that pro= mptly went right over my head

A daemon is a program that runs in the backg= rounda and (frequently)
listens to the network and answers requests = for information from other
programs.

There are two NFS daemons available for linux.  The original one (user-space)
is a separate program and you should be able= to see it running in the process
table:

nurock% ps uax | grep nfs
root       468=   0.1  0.3  2980  936 ?      &nb= sp; S    Jun20   7:01 /usr/sbin/rpc.nfsd sharkey   5635  0.0  0.2=   1336  512 pts/12   S    23:11   0:0= 0 grep nfs
nurock%

That will at least you know if you're runnin= g the user-space server.

The newer daemon is actually integrated into= the Linux kernel itself.
Under certain conditions, the kernel daemon = is faster than the user
space (non-kernel) daemon, but for most home= users you're not likely
to see much of a difference.  None what= soever from the Tivo.

I don't know how Suse configures itself.&nbs= p; Under Debian, you can choose
which server to use.  There's a package called nfs-kernel-server and
another called nfs-user-server and you can i= nstall either one, but not
both.

You should ask someone more familiar with Su= se how to choose which server
to run.

Eric


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------_=_NextPart_001_01C0FC0D.533105F0-- From sharkey@a... Sat Jun 23 20:42:26 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sharkey@s... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 24 Jun 2001 03:42:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 73269 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2001 03:42:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2001 03:42:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ale.physics.sunysb.edu) (129.49.56.40) by mta3 with SMTP; 24 Jun 2001 03:42:21 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=superk.physics.sunysb.edu) by ale.physics.sunysb.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 15E0my-0006uQ-00 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2001 23:42:20 -0400 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy Subject: Re: [ExtractStream] NFS issues In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 23 Jun 2001 12:52:52 CDT." <6CA344EA8CE583468F1255014AEA5B7E6C0E@n...> Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 23:42:20 -0400 Sender: sharkey@s... Message-Id: X-eGroups-From: sharkey@s... From: sharkey@a... > Thanks for your help. I checked /var/log/messages, and this is what I can > find, multiple times (corresponding to my attempts to write) and I think it > is directly related, but I can't make anything of the error codes: > > Jun 23 08:43:43 suse71 rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from > 192.168.0.110:743 for /tmp/tivo (/tmp/tivo) > Jun 23 08:43:57 suse71 rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from > 192.168.0.110:745 for /tmp/tivo (/tmp/tivo) > Jun 23 08:44:06 suse71 kernel: fh_verify: tmp/tivo permission failure, > acc=3, error=13 > > I am running SUSE 7.1 (kernel 2.4) and have made no modifications that I am > aware of to NFS. It should be whatever is default with SUSE 7.1 > > If you have an idea of what it is, please let me know. Your assistance is > GREATLY APPRECIATED. Unfortunately, I'm short on time. Error codes are defined in /usr/include/asm/errno.h, but error code 13 is just permission denied, so that's not going to help you much. The error comes from with nfsfh.c in /usr/src/linux/fs/nfsd if compiled with NFSD_PARANOIA turned on (which is default). Your best bet is to do a google news search on this string and find someone who's reported the same problem. Either that, or switch servers. If you're desperate, you might also want to see if adding no_root_squash to your export options makes a difference. It shouldn't, if you've set the permissions for mount point properly, but it's worth a shot. See the exports man page for details. Eric From g@n... Sat Jun 23 22:44:04 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: g@a... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 24 Jun 2001 05:44:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 58519 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2001 05:44:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2001 05:44:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO april.netcraft.com.au) (203.16.231.73) by mta3 with SMTP; 24 Jun 2001 05:44:02 -0000 Received: (from g@l...) by april.netcraft.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13848 for ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 24 Jun 2001 15:13:59 +0930 Message-Id: <200106240543.PAA13848@a...> Subject: Re: [ExtractStream] NFS issues To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 15:13:59 +0930 (CST) In-Reply-To: <6CA344EA8CE583468F1255014AEA5B7E6C0E@n...> from "Rob Royse" at Jun 23, 2001 12:52:52 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Geoffrey D. Bennett" > Thanks for your help. I checked /var/log/messages, and this is what I can > find, multiple times (corresponding to my attempts to write) and I think it > is directly related, but I can't make anything of the error codes: > > Jun 23 08:43:43 suse71 rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from > 192.168.0.110:743 for /tmp/tivo (/tmp/tivo) > Jun 23 08:43:57 suse71 rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from > 192.168.0.110:745 for /tmp/tivo (/tmp/tivo) > Jun 23 08:44:06 suse71 kernel: fh_verify: tmp/tivo permission failure, > acc=3, error=13 What are the permissions on /tmp/tivo set to? (ie. show the output from ls -lad /tmp/tivo) -- since you're almost certainly accessing this directory as root, it is likely that the NFS server's root_squash option is preventing you from writing to the directory (run 'man exports' and look for 'root_squash' to find out more). To fix this, in /etc/exports, change your options from: /tmp/tivo tivohostname(rw) to: /tmp/tivo tivohostname(rw,no_root_squash) Restart nfsd, and then try remounting that directory. -- Geoffrey D. Bennett, RHCE, RHCX geoffrey@n... 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Sun Jun 24 18:32:16 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: fuggus@y... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 25 Jun 2001 01:32:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 45142 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2001 01:32:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2001 01:32:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hn.egroups.com) (10.1.2.221) by mta1 with SMTP; 25 Jun 2001 01:32:14 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: fuggus@y... Received: from [10.1.10.134] by hn.egroups.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2001 01:32:14 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 01:32:13 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: open disscussion Message-ID: <9h64at+r963@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 50 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 65.33.186.137 From: fuggus@y... did i miss something? where is ANYONE ANYWHERE??? From rjseymour@y... 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X-Apparently-To: extractstream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 25 Jun 2001 03:33:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 46447 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2001 03:33:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 25 Jun 2001 03:33:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp011.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.31) by mta2 with SMTP; 25 Jun 2001 03:33:44 -0000 Received: from dsl081-071-005.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO TIGGER) (64.81.71.5) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2001 03:33:44 -0000 X-Apparently-From: To: Subject: RE: [ExtractStream] open disscussion Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 20:32:13 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <9h64at+r963@e...> From: "Robert J. Seymour, Jr." From: fuggus@y... [mailto:fuggus@y...] > did i miss something? > where is ANYONE ANYWHERE??? Yes, you did ... the date (its July 1, not June 24). Regards, RJS _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From nonesuch773@y... Tue Jun 26 23:04:02 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: nonesuch773@y... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 27 Jun 2001 06:04:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 49147 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2001 06:04:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2001 06:04:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ml.egroups.com) (10.1.1.31) by mta1 with SMTP; 27 Jun 2001 06:04:01 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: nonesuch773@y... Received: from [10.1.10.122] by ml.egroups.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2001 06:04:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 06:03:57 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: My dangerous idea. Message-ID: <9hbt0d+pvvc@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 682 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 205.166.42.5 From: "The Nonesuch" My current dangerous idea is to buy an old-model TiVo, add TiVoNet, then ship the box off to a distant friend who A) gets a a lot of cable channels I cannot receive and B) has cablemodem access. Set it up to record shows and dump them (with simple compression) back over the 'net to me. With such a setup, I can get shows that are on BBCA (not offered here) and rare shows found on his local PBS affiliate, etc. And just think of the fun I can have when TiVo becomes available in the UK, Japan, etc- instead of pen pals, we'll trade the ability to schedule television programs remotely. I'll give you access to capture on my network if you give me access to one on yours :-) From gekea@y... Wed Jun 27 08:39:39 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: gekea@y... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 27 Jun 2001 15:39:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 65900 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2001 15:38:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2001 15:38:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ei.egroups.com) (10.1.2.114) by mta1 with SMTP; 27 Jun 2001 15:38:13 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: gekea@y... Received: from [10.1.4.69] by ei.egroups.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2001 15:38:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 15:38:04 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: 137 GB maximum Message-ID: <9hcuks+j9qt@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 315 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 208.211.150.221 From: gekea@y... i was wondering...ATA uses 28 bit for addressing sectors on a hard drive...putting the max storage space that can be recognized on any one HD at 137 GB. is the ATA 28 bit addressing a wintel standard or does it span across to the linux world too? meaning tivo would reach it's limits with (2) 137GB drives. From markb@y... Wed Jun 27 12:52:31 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: markb@y... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 27 Jun 2001 19:52:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 59932 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2001 19:51:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2001 19:51:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c9.egroups.com) (10.1.2.66) by mta1 with SMTP; 27 Jun 2001 19:51:13 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: markb@y... Received: from [10.1.2.25] by c9.egroups.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2001 19:51:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 19:51:06 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: My dangerous idea. Message-ID: <9hddfa+i5ru@e...> In-Reply-To: <9hbt0d+pvvc@e...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1108 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 129.46.176.138 From: markb@y... Unfortunately, video streams are huge and take a very long time to transfer, even at cable modem rates. And, at least with my cable modem, upstream bandwidth is severely limited. (And I know at least one person who was booted from the cable modem service for running a server and sucking up all of the upstream bandwidth.) --- In ExtractStream@y..., "The Nonesuch" wrote: > My current dangerous idea is to buy an old-model TiVo, add TiVoNet, > then ship the box off to a distant friend who A) gets a a lot of > cable channels I cannot receive and B) has cablemodem access. Set it > up to record shows and dump them (with simple compression) back over > the 'net to me. > > With such a setup, I can get shows that are on BBCA (not offered > here) and rare shows found on his local PBS affiliate, etc. > > And just think of the fun I can have when TiVo becomes available in > the UK, Japan, etc- instead of pen pals, we'll trade the ability to > schedule television programs remotely. I'll give you access to > capture on my network if you give me access to one on yours :-) From konstantin.makhratchev@l... Wed Jun 27 14:00:04 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: konstantin.makhratchev@l... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 27 Jun 2001 21:00:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 12107 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2001 21:00:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2001 21:00:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO freevscan01.lamrc.com) (167.191.128.70) by mta1 with SMTP; 27 Jun 2001 21:00:03 -0000 Received: from 167.191.128.49 by freevscan01.lamrc.com with ESMTP (Lam Research SMTP Relay (MMS v4.7)); Wed, 27 Jun 2001 14:00:02 -0700 X-Server-Uuid: c7618a53-9bb5-11d4-8091-0008c786c6a2 Received: by fre_exch_mta2.inmail.lamrc.com with Internet Mail Service ( 5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 14:00:02 -0700 Message-ID: <186403653F0FD511BCB40008C7165AEDC85BCB@f...> To: "'ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea. Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 14:00:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-WSS-ID: 172496D81203445-01-02 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Makhratchev, Konstantin" DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) Yep, convert all to 1Mbit DivX. It's not possible to do that real-time yet, but hopefully dual-Athlon systems will be powerfull enough. BTW, there's a new "life" for used notebooks as DivX ;-) players- mine "big blue" 390x (Celery 400) seems to be fast enough for DivX ;-) playback. -----Original Message----- From: markb@y... [mailto:markb@y...] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 12:51 PM To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea. Unfortunately, video streams are huge and take a very long time to transfer, even at cable modem rates. And, at least with my cable modem, upstream bandwidth is severely limited. (And I know at least one person who was booted from the cable modem service for running a server and sucking up all of the upstream bandwidth.) --- In ExtractStream@y..., "The Nonesuch" wrote: > My current dangerous idea is to buy an old-model TiVo, add TiVoNet, > then ship the box off to a distant friend who A) gets a a lot of > cable channels I cannot receive and B) has cablemodem access. Set it > up to record shows and dump them (with simple compression) back over > the 'net to me. > > With such a setup, I can get shows that are on BBCA (not offered > here) and rare shows found on his local PBS affiliate, etc. > > And just think of the fun I can have when TiVo becomes available in > the UK, Japan, etc- instead of pen pals, we'll trade the ability to > schedule television programs remotely. I'll give you access to > capture on my network if you give me access to one on yours :-) From dsuprina@g... Wed Jun 27 19:20:34 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: dsuprina@g... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 28 Jun 2001 02:20:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 56420 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2001 02:19:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2001 02:19:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO femail10.sdc1.sfba.home.com) (24.0.95.106) by mta1 with SMTP; 28 Jun 2001 02:19:42 -0000 Received: from pannt ([24.3.216.197]) by femail10.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010628021940.OUBX13318.femail10.sdc1.sfba.home.com@p...> for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 19:19:40 -0700 Reply-To: To: Subject: RE: [ExtractStream] Digest Number 18 Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 22:33:29 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <993655965.122.47790.l10@yahoogroups.com> From: "Darren Suprina" Good evening, folks - In reply to the "dangerous idea" of being able to ship TiVo files between users, I have a request, and a suggestion. My request is that someone briefly fill in those of us who are newbes to the wonderful world of TiVo -- with specific regard to what can actually be done when it comes to "harvesting" content from the device and pushing data back into the system. From all that I've gleaned from the various news groups and web sites with content up on the subject, I can extract a file and ship it out to an offboard system via Ethernet -- given a TiVoNet board. I'm looking forward to opening up the unit I just purchased for experimentation and have a go at it. (The wife wouldn't let me open up the household unit ;-) It would also be nice if someone could chime in and state definitively what can be done as far as stuffing content onto TiVo disks. Is it possible, for example, to take a file from one TiVo and place it on the drive of another and have it recognized? Everything I've read so far seems to suggest that playing out through the TiVo is possible, but only by using a non-TiVo CODEC loaded into the device's OS. That's cool, but it would be really nice were the process of playing "alien" sourced content were somewhat more integrated with the basic device. My suggestion has to do with this email group. If possible, can it be configured to append a URL (or two) to the relevant FAQs. I don't mean the "this is what a TiVo is" or "this is how you upgrade a TiVo" FAQs which are well replicated, but rather those having specifically to do with file extraction (and loading). Doing so would save everyone's time in not having to read messages like this... Thanx - -drs- > -----Original Message----- > From: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 11:33 AM > To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [ExtractStream] Digest Number 18 > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > ExtractStream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > There is 1 message in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. My dangerous idea. > From: "The Nonesuch" > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 06:03:57 -0000 > From: "The Nonesuch" > Subject: My dangerous idea. > > My current dangerous idea is to buy an old-model TiVo, add TiVoNet, > then ship the box off to a distant friend who A) gets a a lot of > cable channels I cannot receive and B) has cablemodem access. Set it > up to record shows and dump them (with simple compression) back over > the 'net to me. > > With such a setup, I can get shows that are on BBCA (not offered > here) and rare shows found on his local PBS affiliate, etc. > > And just think of the fun I can have when TiVo becomes available in > the UK, Japan, etc- instead of pen pals, we'll trade the ability to > schedule television programs remotely. I'll give you access to > capture on my network if you give me access to one on yours :-) > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From sunyscott@y... Wed Jun 27 22:00:13 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sunyscott@y... X-Apparently-To: extractstream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 28 Jun 2001 05:00:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 65592 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2001 05:00:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 28 Jun 2001 05:00:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp016.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.113) by mta2 with SMTP; 28 Jun 2001 05:00:12 -0000 Received: from adsl-64-160-25-75.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net (HELO desktop) (64.160.25.75) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2001 05:00:11 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Reply-To: To: Subject: RE: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea. Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 21:57:52 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01C0FF54.36838AA0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <186403653F0FD511BCB40008C7165AEDC85BCB@f...> From: "Scott Siegel" ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C0FF54.36838AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there any way to allow a Linux ftp server to operate on a TiVo system so that people can log into the drive over TivoNet? -----Original Message----- From: Makhratchev, Konstantin [mailto:konstantin.makhratchev@l...] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 2:00 PM To: 'ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com' Subject: RE: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea. DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) Yep, convert all to 1Mbit DivX. It's not possible to do that real-time yet, but hopefully dual-Athlon systems will be powerfull enough. BTW, there's a new "life" for used notebooks as DivX ;-) players- mine "big blue" 390x (Celery 400) seems to be fast enough for DivX ;-) playback. -----Original Message----- From: markb@y... [mailto:markb@y...] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 12:51 PM To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea. Unfortunately, video streams are huge and take a very long time to transfer, even at cable modem rates. And, at least with my cable modem, upstream bandwidth is severely limited. (And I know at least one person who was booted from the cable modem service for running a server and sucking up all of the upstream bandwidth.) --- In ExtractStream@y..., "The Nonesuch" wrote: > My current dangerous idea is to buy an old-model TiVo, add TiVoNet, > then ship the box off to a distant friend who A) gets a a lot of > cable channels I cannot receive and B) has cablemodem access. Set it > up to record shows and dump them (with simple compression) back over > the 'net to me. > > With such a setup, I can get shows that are on BBCA (not offered > here) and rare shows found on his local PBS affiliate, etc. > > And just think of the fun I can have when TiVo becomes available in > the UK, Japan, etc- instead of pen pals, we'll trade the ability to > schedule television programs remotely. I'll give you access to > capture on my network if you give me access to one on yours :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ExtractStream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C0FF54.36838AA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is=20 there any way to allow a Linux ftp server to operate on a TiVo system so th= at=20 people can log into the drive over TivoNet?
-----Original Message-----
From: Makhratchev, Konstant= in=20 [mailto:konstantin.makhratchev@l...]
Sent: Wednesday, June= 27,=20 2001 2:00 PM
To: 'ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com'
Subject:= =20 RE: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea.

DivX ;= -)=20 DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-)

Yep, convert= all=20 to 1Mbit DivX. It's not possible to do that
real-time yet, but hopeful= ly=20 dual-Athlon systems will be
powerfull enough.

BTW, there's a ne= w=20 "life" for used notebooks as DivX ;-) players-
mine "big blue" 390x (C= elery=20 400) seems to be fast enough for
DivX ;-) playback.

-----Origin= al=20 Message-----
From: markb@y... [mailto:markb@y...]
Sent:=20 Wednesday, June 27, 2001 12:51 PM
To:=20 ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerou= s=20 idea.


Unfortunately, video streams are huge and take a very lo= ng=20 time to
transfer, even at cable modem rates.  And, at least with= my=20 cable
modem, upstream bandwidth is severely limited.  (And I kno= w at=20 least
one person who was booted from the cable modem service for runn= ing a=20
server and sucking up all of the upstream bandwidth.)

--- In=20 ExtractStream@y..., "The Nonesuch" <nonesuch773@y...> wrote:
>= ; My=20 current dangerous idea is to buy an old-model TiVo, add TiVoNet,
>= then=20 ship the box off to a distant friend who A) gets a a lot of
> cable= =20 channels I cannot receive and B) has cablemodem access. Set it
> u= p to=20 record shows and dump them (with simple compression) back over
> t= he=20 'net to me.
>
> With such a setup, I can get shows that are = on=20 BBCA (not offered
> here) and rare shows found on his local PBS=20 affiliate, etc.
>
> And just think of the fun I can have whe= n=20 TiVo becomes available in
> the UK, Japan, etc- instead of pen pal= s,=20 we'll trade the ability to
> schedule television programs remotely= .=20 I'll give you access to
> capture on my network if you give me acce= ss to=20 one on yours :-)



To=20 unsubscribe from this group, send an email=20 to:
ExtractStream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com



= Your=20 use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20
------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C0FF54.36838AA0-- From cfernandez@m... Thu Jun 28 14:17:51 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cfernandez@m... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 28 Jun 2001 21:17:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 42916 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2001 21:17:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2001 21:17:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO epi.myalert.com) (195.119.207.10) by mta3 with SMTP; 28 Jun 2001 21:17:49 -0000 Received: from 10 ([213.4.18.231]) by epi.myalert.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA10239 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 23:17:38 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <004901c10017$c4e87120$0414a8c0@1...> To: References: Subject: RE: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea. Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 23:17:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0046_01C10028.87BA2620" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Carlos_Fern=E1ndez_Sanz?= ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C10028.87BA2620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable sorphin hacked a ftp server and compiled it for tivo, and it works fine.=20 I'm not positive it's public but I think it is. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Scott Siegel=20 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 6:57 AM Subject: RE: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea. Is there any way to allow a Linux ftp server to operate on a TiVo system so= that people can log into the drive over TivoNet? -----Original Message----- From: Makhratchev, Konstantin [mailto:konstantin.makhratchev@l...] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 2:00 PM To: 'ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com' Subject: RE: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea. DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) Yep, convert all to 1Mbit DivX. It's not possible to do that real-time yet, but hopefully dual-Athlon systems will be powerfull enough. BTW, there's a new "life" for used notebooks as DivX ;-) players- mine "big blue" 390x (Celery 400) seems to be fast enough for DivX ;-) playback. -----Original Message----- From: markb@y... [mailto:markb@y...] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 12:51 PM To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea. Unfortunately, video streams are huge and take a very long time to=20 transfer, even at cable modem rates. And, at least with my cable=20 modem, upstream bandwidth is severely limited. (And I know at least=20 one person who was booted from the cable modem service for running a=20 server and sucking up all of the upstream bandwidth.) --- In ExtractStream@y..., "The Nonesuch" wrote: > My current dangerous idea is to buy an old-model TiVo, add TiVoNet,=20 > then ship the box off to a distant friend who A) gets a a lot of > cable channels I cannot receive and B) has cablemodem access. Set it=20 > up to record shows and dump them (with simple compression) back over=20 > the 'net to me. >=20 > With such a setup, I can get shows that are on BBCA (not offered > here) and rare shows found on his local PBS affiliate, etc. >=20 > And just think of the fun I can have when TiVo becomes available in=20 > the UK, Japan, etc- instead of pen pals, we'll trade the ability to=20 > schedule television programs remotely. I'll give you access to > capture on my network if you give me access to one on yours :-) To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ExtractStream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ExtractStream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C10028.87BA2620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
sorphin hacked a ftp server and compiled i= t for=20 tivo, and it works fine.
I'm not positive it's public but I think i= t=20 is.
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Scott Siege= l=20
To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 6:57 AM
Subject: RE: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea.

Is=20 there any way to allow a Linux ftp server to operate on a TiVo system so th= at=20 people can log into the drive over TivoNet?
-----Original Message-----
From: Makhratchev, Konstant= in [mailto:konstantin.makhra= tchev@l...]
Sent:=20 Wednesday, June 27, 2001 2:00 PM
To: 'ExtractStream@y...= s.com'
Subject:=20 RE: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea.

DivX ;= -)=20 DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-)

Yep, convert= all=20 to 1Mbit DivX. It's not possible to do that
real-time yet, but hopeful= ly=20 dual-Athlon systems will be
powerfull enough.

BTW, there's a ne= w=20 "life" for used notebooks as DivX ;-) players-
mine "big blue" 390x (C= elery=20 400) seems to be fast enough for
DivX ;-) playback.

-----Origin= al=20 Message-----
From: markb@y... [mailto:markb@y...]
Sent:=20 Wednesday, June 27, 2001 12:51 PM
To:=20 ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerou= s=20 idea.


Unfortunately, video streams are huge and take a very lo= ng=20 time to
transfer, even at cable modem rates.  And, at least with= my=20 cable
modem, upstream bandwidth is severely limited.  (And I kno= w at=20 least
one person who was booted from the cable modem service for runn= ing a=20
server and sucking up all of the upstream bandwidth.)

--- In=20 ExtractStream@y..., "The Nonesuch" <nonesuch773@y...> wrote:
>= ; My=20 current dangerous idea is to buy an old-model TiVo, add TiVoNet,
>= then=20 ship the box off to a distant friend who A) gets a a lot of
> cable= =20 channels I cannot receive and B) has cablemodem access. Set it
> u= p to=20 record shows and dump them (with simple compression) back over
> t= he=20 'net to me.
>
> With such a setup, I can get shows that are = on=20 BBCA (not offered
> here) and rare shows found on his local PBS=20 affiliate, etc.
>
> And just think of the fun I can have whe= n=20 TiVo becomes available in
> the UK, Japan, etc- instead of pen pal= s,=20 we'll trade the ability to
> schedule television programs remotely= .=20 I'll give you access to
> capture on my network if you give me acce= ss to=20 one on yours :-)



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------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C10028.87BA2620-- From sunyscott@y... Thu Jun 28 16:32:55 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sunyscott@y... X-Apparently-To: extractstream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 28 Jun 2001 23:32:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 49025 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2001 23:32:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2001 23:32:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp013.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.173.57) by mta3 with SMTP; 28 Jun 2001 23:32:53 -0000 Received: from adsl-64-167-13-175.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net (HELO desktop) (64.167.13.175) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2001 23:32:51 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Reply-To: To: Subject: RE: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea. Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 16:30:15 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C0FFEF.9CD44EC0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <004901c10017$c4e87120$0414a8c0@1...> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Siegel" ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C0FFEF.9CD44EC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Does this enable users (not on sorphin's TiVo, lets just say a hypothetical) to log in and have access to recorded programs? Is it possible to network TiVo's together so that you could view and play recorded programs off of others on this network, like a PC network? Because if someone knew how to write software to create an "internet" of TiVo machines, one could technically download and view programs from around the world, and technically save the data stream to a PC for future archive, lets say as an MPEG-2 or as DivX as previously mentioned. If this sounds like a possibility (and why not, if the tivo's are computers and have network cards so it should be possible) TiVo users could create networks of their TiVo's and perhaps Linux systems to help run an interface (e.g. a program or interface on a networked linux system which could copy from timmy's tivo device at ip x to my tivo device at ip y) which would enable people without cable to have access to a variety of programming (i have directv and my girlfriend makes me subscribe to almost every program option, so this isnt my motivation) or people living in different regions to have access to local programming across the globe. Additionally, if you miss a program (conflicts) there is a good possibility that someone else would have recorded it and you could grab a copy of it. Oh, and another thought... with so many people hacking their boxes to expand the max recording time to 200 hrs. i'm sure most people have the space to store a week or two worth of select programming. This creates a Napster like network where you could search the network for archived programs and elect to save them to disk. Also, if the network was constructed, you could use removable drives in the linux system to archive older programs making accessable to requests in the future. Just a few ideas, none of which I imagine are legal, but hey, this is a forum, so I though I'd ask to see if this was possible or if it is out of reach... -----Original Message----- From: Carlos Fernández Sanz [mailto:cfernandez@m...] Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 2:18 PM To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea. sorphin hacked a ftp server and compiled it for tivo, and it works fine. I'm not positive it's public but I think it is. ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Siegel To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 6:57 AM Subject: RE: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea. Is there any way to allow a Linux ftp server to operate on a TiVo system so that people can log into the drive over TivoNet? -----Original Message----- From: Makhratchev, Konstantin [mailto:konstantin.makhratchev@l...] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 2:00 PM To: 'ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com' Subject: RE: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea. DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) Yep, convert all to 1Mbit DivX. It's not possible to do that real-time yet, but hopefully dual-Athlon systems will be powerfull enough. BTW, there's a new "life" for used notebooks as DivX ;-) players- mine "big blue" 390x (Celery 400) seems to be fast enough for DivX ;-) playback. -----Original Message----- From: markb@y... [mailto:markb@y...] Sent: [Scott Siegel] Wednesday, June 27, 2001 12:51 PM To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea. Unfortunately, video streams are huge and take a very long time to transfer, even at cable modem rates. And, at least with my cable modem, upstream bandwidth is severely limited. (And I know at least one person who was booted from the cable modem service for running a server and sucking up all of the upstream bandwidth.) --- In ExtractStream@y..., "The Nonesuch" wrote: > My current dangerous idea is to buy an old-model TiVo, add TiVoNet, > then ship the box off to a distant friend who A) gets a a lot of > cable channels I cannot receive and B) has cablemodem access. Set it > up to record shows and dump them (with simple compression) back over > the 'net to me. > > With such a setup, I can get shows that are on BBCA (not offered > here) and rare shows found on his local PBS affiliate, etc. > > And just think of the fun I can have when TiVo becomes available in > the UK, Japan, etc- instead of pen pals, we'll trade the ability to > schedule television programs remotely. I'll give you access to > capture on my network if you give me access to one on yours :-) To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ExtractStream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ExtractStream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ExtractStream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C0FFEF.9CD44EC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Does=20 this enable users (not on sorphin's TiVo, lets just say a hypothetical) to = log=20 in and have access to recorded programs?  Is it possible to network Ti= Vo's=20 together so that you could view and play recorded programs off of others on= this=20 network, like a PC network?  Because if someone knew how to write soft= ware=20 to create an "internet" of TiVo machines, one could technically download an= d=20 view programs from around the world, and technically save the data stream t= o a=20 PC for future archive, lets say as an MPEG-2 or as DivX as previously=20 mentioned.
 
If=20 this sounds like a possibility (and why not, if the tivo's are computers an= d=20 have network cards so it should be possible) TiVo users could create=20 networks of their TiVo's and perhaps Linux systems to help run an interface= =20 (e.g. a program or interface on a networked linux system which could copy f= rom=20 timmy's tivo device at ip x to my tivo device at ip y) which would enable p= eople=20 without cable to have access to a variety of programming (i have directv an= d my=20 girlfriend makes me subscribe to almost every program option, so this isnt = my=20 motivation) or people living in different regions to have access to local=20 programming across the globe.  Additionally, if you miss a program=20 (conflicts) there is a good possibility that someone else would have record= ed it=20 and you could grab a copy of it.  Oh, and another thought...  wit= h so=20 many people hacking their boxes to expand the max recording time to 200 hrs= . i'm=20 sure most people have the space to store a week or two worth of select=20 programming.  This creates a Napster like network where you could sear= ch=20 the network for archived programs and elect to save them to disk.  Als= o, if=20 the network was constructed, you could use removable drives in the linux sy= stem=20 to archive older programs making accessable to requests in the=20 future.
 
Just a=20 few ideas, none of which I imagine are legal, but hey, this is a forum, so = I=20 though I'd ask to see if this was possible or if it is out of=20 reach...
 
 ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C0FFEF.9CD44EC0-- From sharkey@a... Thu Jun 28 18:13:12 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sharkey@s... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 29 Jun 2001 01:13:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 4312 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2001 01:13:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2001 01:13:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ale.physics.sunysb.edu) (129.49.56.40) by mta2 with SMTP; 29 Jun 2001 01:13:12 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=superk.physics.sunysb.edu) by ale.physics.sunysb.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 15FmqN-0006Ga-00 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 21:13:11 -0400 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy Subject: Re: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea. In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 28 Jun 2001 16:30:15 PDT." Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 21:13:10 -0400 Sender: sharkey@s... Message-Id: X-eGroups-From: sharkey@s... From: sharkey@a... > Does this enable users (not on sorphin's TiVo, lets just say a hypothetical) > to log in and have access to recorded programs? Is it possible to network > TiVo's together so that you could view and play recorded programs off of > others on this network, like a PC network? In theory, this is possible, with sufficient work. Doing this sort of thing would be useful if, say, you had a Tivo in your living room and another in your bedroom and you want to be able to watch any recorded program in either room. > If this sounds like a possibility (and why not, if the tivo's are computers > and have network cards so it should be possible) TiVo users could create > networks of their TiVo's and perhaps Linux systems to help run an interface > (e.g. a program or interface on a networked linux system which could copy > from timmy's tivo device at ip x to my tivo device at ip y) which would > enable people without cable to have access to a variety of programming No way is this even remotely legal. Legal fair use tools like ExtractStream are being put in a shady light by the major copyright holders. We don't want to muddy the waters by associating them with software with strictly illegal uses. Even if it was legal, it's not currently feasable. Running a Napster server (which I've never done) doesn't require much bandwidth. But trading even basic quality streams will saturate cable modem connections, and don't even think about trying this sort of thing with a dial-up. If you want to set up a Tivo which can serve multiple concurrent video streams at cable modem download speeds (and since there are always more people downloading than uploading you'd need multiple concurrent connections) you'd really need to purchase a dedicated OC3 line or something. I don't know of anyone willing to pay for that for this sort of thing. Oh, and good luck trying to watch anything on your Tivo while 6 people are trying to copy six different streams off of it at the same time. The machines just aren't built for that sort of thing. Eric From steve_bryan@m... Fri Jun 29 08:38:53 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: steve_bryan@m... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 29 Jun 2001 15:38:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 17319 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2001 15:38:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2001 15:38:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ho.egroups.com) (10.1.2.219) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Jun 2001 15:38:25 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: steve_bryan@m... Received: from [10.1.10.125] by ho.egroups.com with NNFMP; 29 Jun 2001 15:38:24 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 15:38:22 -0000 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: My dangerous idea. Message-ID: <9hi7de+r9tm@e...> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3419 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 209.46.107.178 From: steve_bryan@m... Here is a related idea that I suspect might be feasible sooner. Apple maintains an open source project for its QuickTime Streaming Server which runs on many platforms including NT, linux, OSX (to be explicit this is free as in open source and free as in beer). These will be capable of streaming MPEG2 content to the QuickTime Player app that is available for the various flavors of Windows, Mac OS classic, and Mac OSX. So you set up a gnutella network of TiVo boxes. When you return a match then you include metadata that indicates the RTSP protocol url that causes the program to be streamed. With enough bandwidth and a large enough group of friends (say your closest 100,000 or so friends) you would be completely free of the tyranny of schedule for recently broadcasted content. As far as what is legal and what is illegal please note that the copyright industry has had carte blanche for essentially the entire 20th century to write the law as they saw fit no matter how convoluted or illogical it became. Now that the digital revolution has given all of us a stake in how such laws are crafted we might hope that something corresponding to what people expect the law to be already (logical, coherent, fair) will become the law. Take a look at Jessica Litman's "Digital Copyright." --- In ExtractStream@y..., "Scott Siegel" wrote: > Does this enable users (not on sorphin's TiVo, lets just say a hypothetical) > to log in and have access to recorded programs? Is it possible to network > TiVo's together so that you could view and play recorded programs off of > others on this network, like a PC network? Because if someone knew how to > write software to create an "internet" of TiVo machines, one could > technically download and view programs from around the world, and > technically save the data stream to a PC for future archive, lets say as an > MPEG-2 or as DivX as previously mentioned. > > If this sounds like a possibility (and why not, if the tivo's are computers > and have network cards so it should be possible) TiVo users could create > networks of their TiVo's and perhaps Linux systems to help run an interface > (e.g. a program or interface on a networked linux system which could copy > from timmy's tivo device at ip x to my tivo device at ip y) which would > enable people without cable to have access to a variety of programming (i > have directv and my girlfriend makes me subscribe to almost every program > option, so this isnt my motivation) or people living in different regions to > have access to local programming across the globe. Additionally, if you > miss a program (conflicts) there is a good possibility that someone else > would have recorded it and you could grab a copy of it. Oh, and another > thought... with so many people hacking their boxes to expand the max > recording time to 200 hrs. i'm sure most people have the space to store a > week or two worth of select programming. This creates a Napster like > network where you could search the network for archived programs and elect > to save them to disk. Also, if the network was constructed, you could use > removable drives in the linux system to archive older programs making > accessable to requests in the future. > > Just a few ideas, none of which I imagine are legal, but hey, this is a > forum, so I though I'd ask to see if this was possible or if it is out of > reach... > From sharkey@a... Fri Jun 29 08:50:23 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sharkey@s... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 29 Jun 2001 15:50:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 69219 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2001 15:49:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2001 15:49:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ale.physics.sunysb.edu) (129.49.56.40) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Jun 2001 15:49:56 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=superk.physics.sunysb.edu) by ale.physics.sunysb.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 15G0Wq-0008QQ-00 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 11:49:56 -0400 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy Subject: Re: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea. In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 29 Jun 2001 15:38:22 -0000." <9hi7de+r9tm@e...> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 11:49:56 -0400 Sender: sharkey@s... Message-Id: X-eGroups-From: sharkey@s... From: sharkey@a... > As far as what is legal and what is illegal please note that the > copyright industry has had carte blanche for essentially the entire > 20th century to write the law as they saw fit no matter how > convoluted or illogical it became. Now that the digital revolution > has given all of us a stake in how such laws are crafted we might > hope that something corresponding to what people expect the law to be > already (logical, coherent, fair) will become the law. I agree that things have gotten out of hand with copyright law and that things have tipped too far in favor of the copyright holder in recent times, but the activities you are suggesting would break not only modern U.S. copyright law, but the 18th century versions as well. The original copyright laws were quite well balanced, and I don't think the Napster "let's just ignore copyright and do as we please" approach is any better than the "let's extend copyright indefinitely and lock out fair use/ first sale rights with encryption" approach being pushed by the major media industries. A proper balance is needed. We need aggressive enforcement of reasonable copyright laws. Arguing for extremist positions such as the effective dismissal of all copyright is not a good way to return to a balanced situation. Eric From konstantin.makhratchev@l... Fri Jun 29 08:55:08 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: konstantin.makhratchev@l... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 29 Jun 2001 15:55:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 56498 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2001 15:54:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2001 15:54:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO freevscan01.lamrc.com) (167.191.128.70) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Jun 2001 15:54:16 -0000 Received: from 167.191.128.48 by freevscan01.lamrc.com with ESMTP (Lam Research SMTP Relay (MMS v4.7)); Fri, 29 Jun 2001 08:54:15 -0700 X-Server-Uuid: c7618a53-9bb5-11d4-8091-0008c786c6a2 Received: by fre_exch_mta1.inmail.lamrc.com with Internet Mail Service ( 5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 08:54:16 -0700 Message-ID: <186403653F0FD511BCB40008C7165AEDC85BD1@f...> To: "'ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea. Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 08:51:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) X-WSS-ID: 17227B2D88501-01-02 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Makhratchev, Konstantin" Just some thoughts... > No way is this even remotely legal. Legal fair use tools like ExtractStream > are being put in a shady light by the major copyright holders. We don't > want to muddy the waters by associating them with software with strictly > illegal uses. Ok, s'pose I've got the cable. Few questions: 1. Is it legal for me to invite a friend to watch the show? 2. Is it legal for me to let my friend watch the show from his appt? (OK, I open the window and he uses good binoculars ;-) 3. Is is legal for me to stretch the wire to his window and let him see the show from his appt.? 4. Is there any difference between #2 and #3? Man, that copyright law is a can of worms... From sharkey@a... Fri Jun 29 09:17:21 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sharkey@s... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 29 Jun 2001 16:17:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 19905 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2001 16:17:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 29 Jun 2001 16:17:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ale.physics.sunysb.edu) (129.49.56.40) by mta2 with SMTP; 29 Jun 2001 16:17:15 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=superk.physics.sunysb.edu) by ale.physics.sunysb.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 15G0xH-0008UA-00 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 12:17:15 -0400 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy Subject: Re: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea. In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 29 Jun 2001 08:51:37 PDT." <186403653F0FD511BCB40008C7165AEDC85BD1@f...> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 12:17:14 -0400 Sender: sharkey@s... Message-Id: X-eGroups-From: sharkey@s... From: sharkey@a... > Ok, s'pose I've got the cable. Few questions: > 1. Is it legal for me to invite a friend to watch the show? Yes. Copyright law doesn't recognize human memory as a legally controlled copy, and no further copying is being done in this case. If you've charged your friend money for the right to come to your house and watch cable, then that's no longer legal, though. That brings it into the area of a public performance. You can't sell tickets to watch cable at your house. > 2. Is it legal for me to let my friend watch the show from his appt? > (OK, I open the window and he uses good binoculars ;-) Ditto with case 1. > 3. Is is legal for me to stretch the wire to his window and let him see the > show > from his appt.? It depends. If you've installed a splitter so that you can watch it in your apartment while he watchs a copy of the same signal in his, then this is illegal. If you have not split the signal, but just moved the end of your cable into his apartment and you can't see it (without binoculars and windows) in your apartment while he's watching in his, then this is legal. > 4. Is there any difference between #2 and #3? > > Man, that copyright law is a can of worms... Copyright law centers around the concept of a copy and duplications of that copy. If when you stream a copy of something on your Tivo on this Tivo-Napster service you delete your copy as you stream it, this would be legal. It's not copying then, it's transference. A space shift. Space and time shifts of data are legal. It's when you copy and distribute a work that it becomes illegal. This is the fundamental basis for copyright law. That's why when mp3.com tried to start a service where they allowed people who owned CD's to download mp3's of the tracks on those CD's they ran afoul of copyright law. Even though you had to own a copy of the data being sent to you, it didn't matter. mp3.com was creating and distributing copies of works to which it did not own the copyright. While encoding these same tracks into mp3's on your own computer would be legal, and this was effectively the same thing, the way copyright law is currently written, this was illegal. Eric From steve_bryan@m... Fri Jun 29 09:44:48 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: steve_bryan@m... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 29 Jun 2001 16:44:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 85678 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2001 16:44:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 29 Jun 2001 16:44:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cyclesoftware.com) (209.46.107.178) by mta2 with SMTP; 29 Jun 2001 16:44:35 -0000 Received: from [204.1.1.120] ([204.1.1.120] verified) by cyclesoftware.com (Stalker SMTP Server 1.8b6) with ESMTP id S.0001004453 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 11:44:34 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: steve_bryan@m... Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 11:44:30 -0500 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" From: steve bryan At 11:49 am -0400 6/29/01, sharkey@a... wrote: >I agree that things have gotten out of hand with copyright law and that >things have tipped too far in favor of the copyright holder in recent >times, but the activities you are suggesting would break not only >modern U.S. copyright law, but the 18th century versions as well. Please note that 18th century copyright law, which was novel at that time (implying that most of the creative output of mankind has had nothing whatsoever to do with copyright law), was notable for what it did not cover as well as the few specific activities it did cover. Extending it to a new activity without any consideration of how the new activity differs from what was already covered would be simplistic. I don't know how far we want to wander in this direction on this list since I imagine few, if any of us, are lawyers but we certainly have a stake in how these sorts of laws (pertaining to copyright) are framed for the future. One guideline I would suggest is to consider how the idea of a public library would be affected by one's ideas and similarly how private lending would be viewed. If one or the other would logically have to be made a crime then my own feeling is that such a law needs to be viewed with considerable reservations. In particular the DMCA is a police state law for which I have nothing but contempt. I fully expect it to be repudiated by the Supreme Court when it reaches there but its path so far has been disquieting. Also when considering the Napster phenomenon please bear in mind that there was a Home Recording Act of 1992 which could be viewed as an unwise compromise reached by the copyright industry that made Napster entirely legal (the view of David Boies when accepting the job of counsel to Napster). But with sufficiently deep pockets it appears one is not held to deals that no longer appear attractive. Of course this is all part of the observation that current copyright law would not be put forward as a model of consistency. -- From sharkey@a... Fri Jun 29 10:20:31 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sharkey@s... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 29 Jun 2001 17:20:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 97780 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2001 17:19:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2001 17:19:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ale.physics.sunysb.edu) (129.49.56.40) by mta3 with SMTP; 29 Jun 2001 17:19:31 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=superk.physics.sunysb.edu) by ale.physics.sunysb.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 15G1vX-0000AD-00 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 13:19:31 -0400 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy Subject: Re: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea. In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 29 Jun 2001 11:44:30 CDT." Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 13:19:30 -0400 Sender: sharkey@s... Message-Id: X-eGroups-From: sharkey@s... From: sharkey@a... > I don't know how far we want to wander in this direction on this list > since I imagine few, if any of us, are lawyers Perhaps that's all the more reason that such topics be mentioned. > One guideline I would suggest is to consider > how the idea of a public library would be affected by one's ideas and > similarly how private lending would be viewed. As long as no additional copies are created, or, in the case that a copy is created, the original is destroyed, then there really are no restrictions on non-profit activities such as public/private library lending. (Prior to the introduction of the DMCA, that is, which allows the copyright holder to use technological means to impose such restrictions. However, in the absence of such means, this is still legal. It's not a default right, like the rest of the copyright restrictions.) If you wish to purchase a copy and lend it, it's fine. If you want to lend five copies simultaneously, you must purchase five copies. This is how libraries work. They can't copy a work that they own and distribute those copies in parallel to as many people that want them. > such a law needs to be viewed with considerable reservations. In > particular the DMCA is a police state law for which I have nothing > but contempt. It's more of a coporate state law, but, I suppose that's a fine line. > I fully expect it to be repudiated by the Supreme Court > when it reaches there but its path so far has been disquieting. Agreed. This may take some time. > Also when considering the Napster phenomenon please bear in mind that > there was a Home Recording Act of 1992 which could be viewed as an > unwise compromise reached by the copyright industry that made Napster > entirely legal (the view of David Boies when accepting the job of > counsel to Napster). Yes, that was a very interesting legal argument, but far from a unanimous opinion. The HRA is almost as bad as the DMCA. I'm not in favor of any law which requires crippling of mass marketed devices to remove functionality, nor am I in favor of arbitrary media taxes designed to compensate for illegal copying. (This sort of thing always takes money from the independent artists and redistributes it to the larger recording industry. IMO, this is precisely what we don't want.) Eric From steve_bryan@m... Fri Jun 29 12:02:36 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: steve_bryan@m... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 29 Jun 2001 19:02:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 19393 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2001 19:02:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 29 Jun 2001 19:02:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cyclesoftware.com) (209.46.107.178) by mta2 with SMTP; 29 Jun 2001 19:02:19 -0000 Received: from [204.1.1.120] ([204.1.1.120] verified) by cyclesoftware.com (Stalker SMTP Server 1.8b6) with ESMTP id S.0001004706 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 14:02:18 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: steve_bryan@m... Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 14:02:15 -0500 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" From: steve bryan At 1:19 pm -0400 6/29/01, sharkey@a... wrote: >there really are no restrictions >on non-profit activities such as public/private library lending I promise I'll minimize the copyright law angle after this but it is a point from the book "Digital Copyright" that I found most interesting. When people are asked what they think the current copyright law involves they will almost always include a comment like the one above. It was certainly part of my thinking. But the author says in no uncertain terms that whether there is payment involved or not makes no difference in actual copyright law when determining infringement. Please note that "informational" statements at the beginning of movies have no legal weight. They can and do say anything they want. You might say that is not so fascinating and you don't know if you really believe it is true. What I did find intriguing was her proposal that we try to make such a principle a starting point for future copyright law so it stands a decent chance of being understood and accepted by the public at large: making copies can constitute infringement if it is done to make money but not if it is not done to make money. There is actually a refinement that she adds but I'll leave that for people willing to purchase (or borrow) a copy of the book (mine is currently loaned out). -- From cm123@b... Fri Jun 29 12:16:13 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: mossc@m... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 29 Jun 2001 19:16:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 50807 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2001 19:16:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 29 Jun 2001 19:16:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mossc.mossc.com) (209.9.172.252) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Jun 2001 19:16:06 -0000 Received: (from mossc@l...) by mossc.mossc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25841 for ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 15:16:05 -0400 Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 15:16:05 -0400 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea. Message-ID: <20010629151605.A25782@m...> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from sharkey@a... on Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 01:19:30PM -0400 From: Chuck Moss [snip] > > > such a law needs to be viewed with considerable reservations. In > > particular the DMCA is a police state law for which I have nothing > > but contempt. > > It's more of a coporate state law, but, I suppose that's a fine line. > > > I fully expect it to be repudiated by the Supreme Court > > when it reaches there but its path so far has been disquieting. > > Agreed. This may take some time. Hopefully this will come to a head soon. The Electronic Freedom Foundation (EFF) is challenging the constitutionality of the DMCA in the Felten Case. Professor Felten was threatened from the RIAA and SDMI to keep him from presenting a paper on digital watermarking. More information can be found on the following links: http://www.eff.org/sc/felten/20010409_riaa_sdmi_letter.html http://www.eff.org/sc/felten/ http://www.eff.org/sc/felten/20010606_eff_complaint.html http://www.cs.princeton.edu/sip/sdmi/ The latest EFF newsletter appealed for donation to support this case. You may become a member of EFF or donate at: http://www.eff.org/support/ Chuck [snip] From sharkey@a... Fri Jun 29 12:27:47 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sharkey@s... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 29 Jun 2001 19:27:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 4982 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2001 19:27:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2001 19:27:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ale.physics.sunysb.edu) (129.49.56.40) by mta2 with SMTP; 29 Jun 2001 19:27:47 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=superk.physics.sunysb.edu) by ale.physics.sunysb.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 15G3ve-0000Ut-00 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 15:27:46 -0400 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy Subject: Re: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea. In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 29 Jun 2001 14:02:15 CDT." Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 15:27:46 -0400 Sender: sharkey@s... Message-Id: X-eGroups-From: sharkey@s... From: sharkey@a... > At 1:19 pm -0400 6/29/01, sharkey@a... wrote: > >there really are no restrictions > >on non-profit activities such as public/private library lending > > I promise I'll minimize the copyright law angle after this but it is > a point from the book "Digital Copyright" that I found most > interesting. When people are asked what they think the current > copyright law involves they will almost always include a comment like > the one above. It was certainly part of my thinking. But the author > says in no uncertain terms that whether there is payment involved or > not makes no difference in actual copyright law when determining > infringement. Here you're just wrong. It *does* make a difference whether or not money is changing hands in some cases. One of the greatest things about the web is that the text of the laws itself is online, and anyone with a web browser has access to an effective law library. I'll cite U.S. title 17, paragraph 107: [T]he fair use of a copyrighted work [..] is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include [..] the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature[.] (http://www.loc.gov/copyright/title17/92chap1.html#107) If you're trying to defend a particular action as fair use, making money off the use really works against you, although that by itself doesn't negate a fair use defense. Paragraph 110 is perhaps even more relevent to this particular application. [T]he following are not infringements of copyright: [..] communication of a transmission embodying a performance or display of a work by the public reception of the transmission on a single receiving apparatus of a kind commonly used in private homes, unless - (i) a direct charge is made to see or hear the transmission So, money changing hands is very much included in copyright law. Eric From jcb@c... Fri Jun 29 12:44:58 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jcb@c... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 29 Jun 2001 19:44:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 31335 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2001 19:44:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2001 19:44:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO heavies.creamcity.com) (169.207.167.9) by mta2 with SMTP; 29 Jun 2001 19:44:55 -0000 Received: from galvatron.corp.creamcity.com (galvatron.corp.creamcity.com [169.207.56.4]) by heavies.creamcity.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA20387 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 14:44:52 -0500 Received: by GALVATRON with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 14:44:51 -0500 Message-ID: To: "'ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea. Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 14:44:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Jonathan C. Brewer" how does this all work when you're JUST talking about regular broadcast? I don't have cable or dish, and just get my free TV delivered to my TIVO. Is that stuff also copyrighted? Will Mr. Rogers sue me for making copies of his show that he gave to me for free over the airwaves? (j/k) -Jonathan -----Original Message----- From: sharkey@a... [mailto:sharkey@a...] Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 2:28 PM To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea. > At 1:19 pm -0400 6/29/01, sharkey@a... wrote: > >there really are no restrictions > >on non-profit activities such as public/private library lending > > I promise I'll minimize the copyright law angle after this but it is > a point from the book "Digital Copyright" that I found most > interesting. When people are asked what they think the current > copyright law involves they will almost always include a comment like > the one above. It was certainly part of my thinking. But the author > says in no uncertain terms that whether there is payment involved or > not makes no difference in actual copyright law when determining > infringement. Here you're just wrong. It *does* make a difference whether or not money is changing hands in some cases. One of the greatest things about the web is that the text of the laws itself is online, and anyone with a web browser has access to an effective law library. I'll cite U.S. title 17, paragraph 107: [T]he fair use of a copyrighted work [..] is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include [..] the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature[.] (http://www.loc.gov/copyright/title17/92chap1.html#107) If you're trying to defend a particular action as fair use, making money off the use really works against you, although that by itself doesn't negate a fair use defense. Paragraph 110 is perhaps even more relevent to this particular application. [T]he following are not infringements of copyright: [..] communication of a transmission embodying a performance or display of a work by the public reception of the transmission on a single receiving apparatus of a kind commonly used in private homes, unless - (i) a direct charge is made to see or hear the transmission So, money changing hands is very much included in copyright law. Eric To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ExtractStream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From sharkey@a... Fri Jun 29 12:53:52 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sharkey@s... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 29 Jun 2001 19:53:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 75462 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2001 19:53:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2001 19:53:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ale.physics.sunysb.edu) (129.49.56.40) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Jun 2001 19:53:52 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=superk.physics.sunysb.edu) by ale.physics.sunysb.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 15G4Kt-0000ZB-00 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 15:53:51 -0400 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy Subject: Re: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea. In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 29 Jun 2001 14:44:50 CDT." Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 15:53:51 -0400 Sender: sharkey@s... Message-Id: X-eGroups-From: sharkey@s... From: sharkey@a... > how does this all work when you're JUST talking about > regular broadcast? I don't have cable or dish, > and just get my free TV delivered to my TIVO. > Is that stuff also copyrighted? In general, yes. > Will Mr. Rogers > sue me for making copies of his show that he gave > to me for free over the airwaves? (j/k) If Mr. Rogers is the copyright holder for his works, it would be within his rights to do so. Whether he will or not is up to him. The other condition of U.S. Title 17, paragraph 110, part 5, allowing the communication of broadcasts other than "a direct charge is made to see or hear the transmission" is "the transmission thus received is further transmitted to the public". In other words, you can show your friends your Mr. Rogers recordings for free, but you can't set up a server to stream them to anyone who wants them. Eric From sunyscott@y... Fri Jun 29 13:32:27 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sunyscott@y... X-Apparently-To: extractstream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 29 Jun 2001 20:32:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 64665 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2001 20:32:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2001 20:32:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp016.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.113) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Jun 2001 20:32:26 -0000 Received: from adsl-64-167-13-175.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net (HELO desktop) (64.167.13.175) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2001 20:32:24 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Reply-To: To: Subject: RE: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea. Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 13:27:54 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C1009F.4DE5F240" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: From: "Scott Siegel" ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C1009F.4DE5F240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There have been reported cases of networks (NBC, ABC, CBS, etc.) suing internet companies in Canada for broadcasting the "free airwave" of their network tv station over the internet so other people in northern canada (too far from the US border) could also watch american programming (I guess that the networks may not broadcast the same shows in countries outside of the US or local programming must have been better in the US or the people living up north just couldnt get good reception....). I dont really know the outcome or implications, but i though this might be interesting. -----Original Message----- From: sharkey@s... [mailto:sharkey@s...]On Behalf Of sharkey@a... Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 12:54 PM To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea. > how does this all work when you're JUST talking about > regular broadcast? I don't have cable or dish, > and just get my free TV delivered to my TIVO. > Is that stuff also copyrighted? In general, yes. > Will Mr. Rogers > sue me for making copies of his show that he gave > to me for free over the airwaves? (j/k) If Mr. Rogers is the copyright holder for his works, it would be within his rights to do so. Whether he will or not is up to him. The other condition of U.S. Title 17, paragraph 110, part 5, allowing the communication of broadcasts other than "a direct charge is made to see or hear the transmission" is "the transmission thus received is further transmitted to the public". In other words, you can show your friends your Mr. Rogers recordings for free, but you can't set up a server to stream them to anyone who wants them. Eric To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ExtractStream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C1009F.4DE5F240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There=20 have been reported cases of networks (NBC, ABC, CBS, etc.) suing internet=20 companies in Canada for broadcasting the "free airwave" of their network tv= =20 station over the internet so other people in northern canada (too far from = the=20 US border) could also watch american programming (I guess that the networks= may=20 not broadcast the same shows in countries outside of the US or local progra= mming=20 must have been better in the US or the people living up north just couldnt = get=20 good reception....).  I dont really know the outcome or implications, = but i=20 though this might be interesting.
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> how = does=20 this all work when you're JUST talking about
> regular broadcast?&n= bsp;=20 I don't have cable or dish,
> and just get my free TV delivered to = my=20 TIVO.
> Is that stuff also copyrighted?

In general,=20 yes.

> Will Mr. Rogers
> sue me for making copies of his = show=20 that he gave
> to me for free over the airwaves? (j/k)

If Mr= .=20 Rogers is the copyright holder for his works, it would be within
his r= ights=20 to do so.  Whether he will or not is up to him.


The other= =20 condition of U.S. Title 17, paragraph 110, part 5, allowing=20 the
communication of broadcasts other than "a direct charge is made to= =20 see
or hear the transmission" is "the transmission thus received is=20 further
transmitted to the public".

In other words, you can sho= w=20 your friends your Mr. Rogers recordings for
free, but you can't set up= a=20 server to stream them to anyone who wants them.

Eric

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------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C1009F.4DE5F240-- From sharkey@a... Fri Jun 29 13:45:38 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sharkey@s... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 29 Jun 2001 20:45:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 66194 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2001 20:45:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2001 20:45:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ale.physics.sunysb.edu) (129.49.56.40) by mta3 with SMTP; 29 Jun 2001 20:45:37 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=superk.physics.sunysb.edu) by ale.physics.sunysb.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 15G58z-0000g5-00 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 16:45:37 -0400 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy Subject: Re: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea. In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 29 Jun 2001 13:27:54 PDT." Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 16:45:36 -0400 Sender: sharkey@s... Message-Id: X-eGroups-From: sharkey@s... From: sharkey@a... > There have been reported cases of networks (NBC, ABC, CBS, etc.) suing > internet companies in Canada for broadcasting the "free airwave" of their > network tv station over the internet so other people in northern canada (too > far from the US border) could also watch american programming (I guess that > the networks may not broadcast the same shows in countries outside of the US > or local programming must have been better in the US or the people living up > north just couldnt get good reception....). I dont really know the outcome > or implications, but i though this might be interesting. You're speaking about www.icravetv.com. They shut down after the threat of lawsuits became too real and it didn't look they had a leg to stand on. And you've got it backwards, anyway. It wasn't that the networks were complaining that people in northern canada could watch the signals, but that the internet feeds could be sent back from Canada to the U.S, where the cable/broadcast stations were supposed to have exclusive rights. There's a new company called jumptv.com which is attempting to identify Canadadian IP addresses and stream live TV to only them, with out letting the streams get back to the pesky U.S. of A.. Eric From steve_bryan@m... Fri Jun 29 15:27:03 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: steve_bryan@m... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 29 Jun 2001 22:27:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 20058 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2001 22:27:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2001 22:27:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cyclesoftware.com) (209.46.107.178) by mta3 with SMTP; 29 Jun 2001 22:27:02 -0000 Received: from [204.1.1.120] ([204.1.1.120] verified) by cyclesoftware.com (Stalker SMTP Server 1.8b6) with ESMTP id S.0001005101 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 17:26:59 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: steve_bryan@m... Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 17:26:55 -0500 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" From: steve bryan At 3:53 pm -0400 6/29/01, sharkey@a... wrote: > > Will Mr. Rogers >> sue me for making copies of his show that he gave >> to me for free over the airwaves? (j/k) > >If Mr. Rogers is the copyright holder for his works, it would be within >his rights to do so. Whether he will or not is up to him. I'll violate my earlier promise only to point out that the case of Mr Rogers is an interesting choice. In the famous case of Sony vs Universal Studios, Mr Rogers testified that he would want to encourage people to videotape his show in order to increase the audience as much as possible. This testimony apparently served a useful purpose in Sony's successful defense of the betamax device having sufficient non-infringing use to justify its continued legal availability. As far as the reference to Ms Litman's statements are concerned I'm afraid I might have been quoting her out of context. I've loaned the book out so I can't easily check the details. I think she might have been specifically referring to digital copies. I believe the theory is that if the copyright is for a digital document (eg a CD) then any time a copy is made, even an ephemeral copy of a portion in RAM in order to present the contents, that an act of infringement has been committed unless a licence is obtained whether or not there is any commercial aspect to the act. I might try to look this up sometime this weekend. -- From sharkey@a... Fri Jun 29 15:45:00 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sharkey@s... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 29 Jun 2001 22:45:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 54758 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2001 22:44:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Jun 2001 22:44:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ale.physics.sunysb.edu) (129.49.56.40) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Jun 2001 22:44:42 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=superk.physics.sunysb.edu) by ale.physics.sunysb.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 15G70E-0000wG-00 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 18:44:42 -0400 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy Subject: Re: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea. In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 29 Jun 2001 17:26:55 CDT." Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 18:44:42 -0400 Sender: sharkey@s... Message-Id: X-eGroups-From: sharkey@s... From: sharkey@a... > As far as the reference to Ms Litman's statements are concerned I'm > afraid I might have been quoting her out of context. I've loaned the > book out so I can't easily check the details. I think she might have > been specifically referring to digital copies. I believe the theory > is that if the copyright is for a digital document (eg a CD) then any > time a copy is made, even an ephemeral copy of a portion in RAM in > order to present the contents, that an act of infringement has been > committed unless a licence is obtained whether or not there is any > commercial aspect to the act. I might try to look this up sometime > this weekend. For computer programs this is explicitly allowed by section 117: [I]t is not an infringement for the owner of a copy of a computer program to make or authorize the making of another copy [..] provided [that it] is created as an essential step in the utilization of the computer program in conjunction with a machine and that it is used in no other manner. I don't believe the term "computer program" is actually defined explicitly, but I believe this could be extended to any digital work which requires copying within a device as an "essential step in the utilization" of the work. Otherwise, CD players with anti-skip buffers could be viewed as copy devices, which is just silly. Eric From cfernandez@m... Sat Jun 30 02:10:34 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cfernandez@m... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 30 Jun 2001 09:10:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 86198 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2001 09:10:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2001 09:10:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO epi.myalert.com) (195.119.207.10) by mta3 with SMTP; 30 Jun 2001 09:10:32 -0000 Received: from 10 ([213.4.18.231]) by epi.myalert.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA23030 for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2001 11:10:25 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <003101c10144$7a56d740$0414a8c0@1...> To: References: Subject: RE: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea. Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 11:10:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002E_01C10155.3CEB8340" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Carlos_Fern=E1ndez_Sanz?= ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C10155.3CEB8340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Scott, No. The FTP server only lets you transfer files from mounted filesystem. At= this point there isn't a working implementation of a MFS filesystem (that = I'm aware of, anyway). I'm working on one (kinda - I've been very busy late= ly) but as Tridge anticipated I'm up for lots of work... As for the sharing, that's what I'm trying to do from the beginning (I used= to live part-time in the US and part-time in Spain, I had tivos in both co= untries so obviously it would be quite convinient for me). Regards, Carlos ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Scott Siegel=20 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 1:30 AM Subject: RE: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea. Does this enable users (not on sorphin's TiVo, lets just say a hypothetical= ) to log in and have access to recorded programs? Is it possible to networ= k TiVo's together so that you could view and play recorded programs off of = others on this network, like a PC network? Because if someone knew how to = write software to create an "internet" of TiVo machines, one could technica= lly download and view programs from around the world, and technically save = the data stream to a PC for future archive, lets say as an MPEG-2 or as Div= X as previously mentioned. =20 If this sounds like a possibility (and why not, if the tivo's are computers= and have network cards so it should be possible) TiVo users could create n= etworks of their TiVo's and perhaps Linux systems to help run an interface = (e.g. a program or interface on a networked linux system which could copy f= rom timmy's tivo device at ip x to my tivo device at ip y) which would enab= le people without cable to have access to a variety of programming (i have = directv and my girlfriend makes me subscribe to almost every program option= , so this isnt my motivation) or people living in different regions to have= access to local programming across the globe. Additionally, if you miss a= program (conflicts) there is a good possibility that someone else would ha= ve recorded it and you could grab a copy of it. Oh, and another thought...= with so many people hacking their boxes to expand the max recording time = to 200 hrs. i'm sure most people have the space to store a week or two wort= h of select programming. This creates a Napster like network where you cou= ld search the network for archived programs and elect to save them to disk.= Also, if the network was constructed, you could use removable drives in t= he linux system to archive older programs making accessable to requests in = the future. =20 Just a few ideas, none of which I imagine are legal, but hey, this is a for= um, so I though I'd ask to see if this was possible or if it is out of reac= h... =20 -----Original Message----- From: Carlos Fern=E1ndez Sanz [mailto:cfernandez@m...] Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 2:18 PM To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea. sorphin hacked a ftp server and compiled it for tivo, and it works fine.= =20 I'm not positive it's public but I think it is. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Scott Siegel=20 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 6:57 AM Subject: RE: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea. Is there any way to allow a Linux ftp server to operate on a TiVo system = so that people can log into the drive over TivoNet? -----Original Message----- From: Makhratchev, Konstantin [mailto:konstantin.makhratchev@l...] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 2:00 PM To: 'ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com' Subject: RE: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea. DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) Yep, convert all to 1Mbit DivX. It's not possible to do that real-time yet, but hopefully dual-Athlon systems will be powerfull enough. BTW, there's a new "life" for used notebooks as DivX ;-) players- mine "big blue" 390x (Celery 400) seems to be fast enough for DivX ;-) playback. -----Original Message----- From: markb@y... [mailto:markb@y...] Sent:=20 [Scott Siegel]=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 Wednesday, June 27, 2001 12:51 PM To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea. Unfortunately, video streams are huge and take a very long time to=20 transfer, even at cable modem rates. And, at least with my cable=20 modem, upstream bandwidth is severely limited. (And I know at least=20 one person who was booted from the cable modem service for running a=20 server and sucking up all of the upstream bandwidth.) --- In ExtractStream@y..., "The Nonesuch" wrote: > My current dangerous idea is to buy an old-model TiVo, add TiVoNet,=20 > then ship the box off to a distant friend who A) gets a a lot of > cable channels I cannot receive and B) has cablemodem access. Set it= =20 > up to record shows and dump them (with simple compression) back over= =20 > the 'net to me. >=20 > With such a setup, I can get shows that are on BBCA (not offered > here) and rare shows found on his local PBS affiliate, etc. >=20 > And just think of the fun I can have when TiVo becomes available in=20 > the UK, Japan, etc- instead of pen pals, we'll trade the ability to=20 > schedule television programs remotely. I'll give you access to > capture on my network if you give me access to one on yours :-) To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ExtractStream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ExtractStream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ExtractStream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ExtractStream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C10155.3CEB8340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Scott,
 
No. The FTP server only lets you transfer = files=20 from mounted filesystem. At this point there isn't a working implementation= of a=20 MFS filesystem (that I'm aware of, anyway). I'm working on one (kinda - I'v= e=20 been very busy lately) but as Tridge anticipated I'm up for lots of=20 work...
 
As for the sharing, that's what I'm trying= to do=20 from the beginning (I used to live part-time in the US and part-time in Spa= in, I=20 had tivos in both countries so obviously it would be quite convinient for=20 me).
 
Regards,
Carlos
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos Fern=E1ndez Sa= nz=20 [mailto:cfernandez@m...]
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 2= :18=20 PM
To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE:=20 [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea.

sorphin hacked a ftp server and compiled= it for=20 tivo, and it works fine.
I'm not positive it's public but I think= it=20 is.
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Scott Sie= gel=20
To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com <= /DIV>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 6:57 AM
Subject: RE: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea.

Is=20 there any way to allow a Linux ftp server to operate on a TiVo system so = that=20 people can log into the drive over TivoNet?
-----Original Message-----
From: Makhratchev, Konsta= ntin=20 [mailto:konstantin.makh= ratchev@l...]
Sent:=20 Wednesday, June 27, 2001 2:00 PM
To: 'ExtractStream@y...= ups.com'
Subject:=20 RE: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea.

DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) D= ivX=20 ;-)

Yep, convert all to 1Mbit DivX. It's not possible to do=20 that
real-time yet, but hopefully dual-Athlon systems will=20 be
powerfull enough.

BTW, there's a new "life" for used noteb= ooks=20 as DivX ;-) players-
mine "big blue" 390x (Celery 400) seems to be f= ast=20 enough for
DivX ;-) playback.

-----Original Message-----
F= rom:=20 markb@y... [mailto:markb@y...]
Sent:
[Scott=20 Siegel] 
 
 
 Wednesday, June = 27,=20 2001 12:51 PM
To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com
Subject:=20 [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea.


Unfortunately, video= =20 streams are huge and take a very long time to
transfer, even at cab= le=20 modem rates.  And, at least with my cable
modem, upstream band= width=20 is severely limited.  (And I know at least
one person who was= =20 booted from the cable modem service for running a
server and suckin= g up=20 all of the upstream bandwidth.)

--- In ExtractStream@y..., "The= =20 Nonesuch" <nonesuch773@y...> wrote:
> My current dangerous = idea=20 is to buy an old-model TiVo, add TiVoNet,
> then ship the box of= f to=20 a distant friend who A) gets a a lot of
> cable channels I cannot= =20 receive and B) has cablemodem access. Set it
> up to record show= s and=20 dump them (with simple compression) back over
> the 'net to=20 me.
>
> With such a setup, I can get shows that are on BBC= A=20 (not offered
> here) and rare shows found on his local PBS affili= ate,=20 etc.
>
> And just think of the fun I can have when TiVo be= comes=20 available in
> the UK, Japan, etc- instead of pen pals, we'll tr= ade=20 the ability to
> schedule television programs remotely. I'll giv= e you=20 access to
> capture on my network if you give me access to one on= =20 yours :-)



To unsubscribe from this group, send = an=20 email=20 to:
ExtractStream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com



Your=20 use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.= =20


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----- Original Message -----=20
From: Scott Siege= l=20
To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 1:30 AM
Subject: RE: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea.

Does=20 this enable users (not on sorphin's TiVo, lets just say a hypothetical) to = log=20 in and have access to recorded programs?  Is it possible to network Ti= Vo's=20 together so that you could view and play recorded programs off of others on= this=20 network, like a PC network?  Because if someone knew how to write soft= ware=20 to create an "internet" of TiVo machines, one could technically download an= d=20 view programs from around the world, and technically save the data stream t= o a=20 PC for future archive, lets say as an MPEG-2 or as DivX as previously=20 mentioned.
 
If=20 this sounds like a possibility (and why not, if the tivo's are computers an= d=20 have network cards so it should be possible) TiVo users could create=20 networks of their TiVo's and perhaps Linux systems to help run an interface= =20 (e.g. a program or interface on a networked linux system which could copy f= rom=20 timmy's tivo device at ip x to my tivo device at ip y) which would enable p= eople=20 without cable to have access to a variety of programming (i have directv an= d my=20 girlfriend makes me subscribe to almost every program option, so this isnt = my=20 motivation) or people living in different regions to have access to local=20 programming across the globe.  Additionally, if you miss a program=20 (conflicts) there is a good possibility that someone else would have record= ed it=20 and you could grab a copy of it.  Oh, and another thought...  wit= h so=20 many people hacking their boxes to expand the max recording time to 200 hrs= . i'm=20 sure most people have the space to store a week or two worth of select=20 programming.  This creates a Napster like network where you could sear= ch=20 the network for archived programs and elect to save them to disk.  Als= o, if=20 the network was constructed, you could use removable drives in the linux sy= stem=20 to archive older programs making accessable to requests in the=20 future.
 
Just a=20 few ideas, none of which I imagine are legal, but hey, this is a forum, so = I=20 though I'd ask to see if this was possible or if it is out of=20 reach...
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos Fern=E1ndez Sa= nz=20 [mailto:cfernandez@m...]
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 2= :18=20 PM
To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE:=20 [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea.

sorphin hacked a ftp server and compiled= it for=20 tivo, and it works fine.
I'm not positive it's public but I think= it=20 is.
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Scott Sie= gel=20
To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com <= /DIV>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 6:57 AM
Subject: RE: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea.

Is=20 there any way to allow a Linux ftp server to operate on a TiVo system so = that=20 people can log into the drive over TivoNet?
-----Original Message-----
From: Makhratchev, Konsta= ntin=20 [mailto:konstantin.makh= ratchev@l...]
Sent:=20 Wednesday, June 27, 2001 2:00 PM
To: 'ExtractStream@y...= ups.com'
Subject:=20 RE: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea.

DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) D= ivX=20 ;-)

Yep, convert all to 1Mbit DivX. It's not possible to do=20 that
real-time yet, but hopefully dual-Athlon systems will=20 be
powerfull enough.

BTW, there's a new "life" for used noteb= ooks=20 as DivX ;-) players-
mine "big blue" 390x (Celery 400) seems to be f= ast=20 enough for
DivX ;-) playback.

-----Original Message-----
F= rom:=20 markb@y... [mailto:markb@y...]
Sent:
[Scott=20 Siegel] 
 
 
 Wednesday, June = 27,=20 2001 12:51 PM
To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com
Subject:=20 [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea.


Unfortunately, video= =20 streams are huge and take a very long time to
transfer, even at cab= le=20 modem rates.  And, at least with my cable
modem, upstream band= width=20 is severely limited.  (And I know at least
one person who was= =20 booted from the cable modem service for running a
server and suckin= g up=20 all of the upstream bandwidth.)

--- In ExtractStream@y..., "The= =20 Nonesuch" <nonesuch773@y...> wrote:
> My current dangerous = idea=20 is to buy an old-model TiVo, add TiVoNet,
> then ship the box of= f to=20 a distant friend who A) gets a a lot of
> cable channels I cannot= =20 receive and B) has cablemodem access. Set it
> up to record show= s and=20 dump them (with simple compression) back over
> the 'net to=20 me.
>
> With such a setup, I can get shows that are on BBC= A=20 (not offered
> here) and rare shows found on his local PBS affili= ate,=20 etc.
>
> And just think of the fun I can have when TiVo be= comes=20 available in
> the UK, Japan, etc- instead of pen pals, we'll tr= ade=20 the ability to
> schedule television programs remotely. I'll giv= e you=20 access to
> capture on my network if you give me access to one on= =20 yours :-)



To unsubscribe from this group, send = an=20 email=20 to:
ExtractStream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com



Your=20 use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.= =20


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------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C10155.3CEB8340-- From ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Sat Jun 30 12:02:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 50600 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2001 19:02:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2001 19:02:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jj.egroups.com) (10.1.10.91) by mta1 with SMTP; 30 Jun 2001 19:02:14 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com Received: from [10.1.10.73] by jj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2001 19:02:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 15186 invoked by uid 0); 30 Jun 2001 19:02:01 -0000 Date: 30 Jun 2001 19:02:01 -0000 Message-ID: <993927721.1240.15184.a8@yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: calendar From: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Reminder - Open discussion on the future of Extract... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Open discussion on the future of ExtractStream group. Date: Sunday, July 1, 2001 Time: 2:00PM - 4:00PM CDT (GMT-05:00) Open discussion on the future of the ExtractStream group and software. Join us in the Yahoo chat: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ExtractStream/chat From sunyscott@y... Sat Jun 30 12:47:24 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: sunyscott@y... X-Apparently-To: extractstream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 30 Jun 2001 19:47:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 85310 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2001 19:47:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2001 19:47:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp018.mail.yahoo.com) (216.136.174.115) by mta3 with SMTP; 30 Jun 2001 19:47:22 -0000 Received: from adsl-64-167-13-20.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net (HELO desktop) (64.167.13.20) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2001 19:47:20 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Reply-To: To: Subject: Re: My Dangerous Idea - A technical question, not a legal question Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 12:41:17 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C10161.F4A9AAA0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <003101c10144$7a56d740$0414a8c0@1...> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "Scott Siegel" ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C10161.F4A9AAA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Just responding to the technical aspects (not legal aspects) how would a LAN work in regards to TiVo or TiVoNet. What if you have a few different TiVo units in the same house... is it possible for a single TiVo (which is registered for subscriptions through TiVo) to handle all the recording and the other TiVo units simply access the recording unit's hard drive to play material in other rooms in the same house? For example, I only have one TiVo. It is in my bedroom, where I have a 20" TV. In my living room, I have a 27" Sony Wega, which is much better to watch sports on. My TiVo records these events when I am not home, but then I have to watch them in the bedroom unless I want to unplug the unit and move in into another room. I would be willing to buy another TiVo for $200 but not spend another $200 or whatever they charge now for a second lifetime subscription. I would LOVE to be able to network the two boxes together, even if it meant that the second TiVo had no ability to record, so that I could use the second TiVo to watch programs stored on the first TiVo. In essence, this would create an "entertainment center" where people could hook up a TiVo in one room and play the recorded shows anywhere in their house over the network. Some ask, why not just drop a A/V cable into the living room if you want to watch a show there? The answer is that I want to be able to pause, instant replay and fast forward commercials without having to run up and down stairs. If this could be designed, the ultimate scenario would be: 3 TiVos. 2 of the simple 14 hour boxes. The third a dual receiver DirectTiVo box (the one capable of recording two different channels simultaneously). Upgrade the third box to a 200 hour TiVo (or better when larger drives become available), and set all of your season passes, etc. on this single unit, so that it could then act as a "server" to your home TiVo network. The other two boxes could be set up in other rooms around the house, networked to the third TiVo so that they have access to the stored programming. This would be ideal because you have large capacity, simultaneous recording and multiple playback locations. I can record football, my girlfriend could record her crap, all simultaneously, and we could even watch them on different TVs simultaneously through the network. What are the theoretical thoughts? -----Original Message----- From: Carlos Fernández Sanz [mailto:cfernandez@m...] Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 2:10 AM To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea. Scott, No. The FTP server only lets you transfer files from mounted filesystem. At this point there isn't a working implementation of a MFS filesystem (that I'm aware of, anyway). I'm working on one (kinda - I've been very busy lately) but as Tridge anticipated I'm up for lots of work... As for the sharing, that's what I'm trying to do from the beginning (I used to live part-time in the US and part-time in Spain, I had tivos in both countries so obviously it would be quite convinient for me). Regards, Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Siegel To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 1:30 AM Subject: RE: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea. Does this enable users (not on sorphin's TiVo, lets just say a hypothetical) to log in and have access to recorded programs? Is it possible to network TiVo's together so that you could view and play recorded programs off of others on this network, like a PC network? Because if someone knew how to write software to create an "internet" of TiVo machines, one could technically download and view programs from around the world, and technically save the data stream to a PC for future archive, lets say as an MPEG-2 or as DivX as previously mentioned. If this sounds like a possibility (and why not, if the tivo's are computers and have network cards so it should be possible) TiVo users could create networks of their TiVo's and perhaps Linux systems to help run an interface (e.g. a program or interface on a networked linux system which could copy from timmy's tivo device at ip x to my tivo device at ip y) which would enable people without cable to have access to a variety of programming (i have directv and my girlfriend makes me subscribe to almost every program option, so this isnt my motivation) or people living in different regions to have access to local programming across the globe. Additionally, if you miss a program (conflicts) there is a good possibility that someone else would have recorded it and you could grab a copy of it. Oh, and another thought... with so many people hacking their boxes to expand the max recording time to 200 hrs. i'm sure most people have the space to store a week or two worth of select programming. This creates a Napster like network where you could search the network for archived programs and elect to save them to disk. Also, if the network was constructed, you could use removable drives in the linux system to archive older programs making accessable to requests in the future. Just a few ideas, none of which I imagine are legal, but hey, this is a forum, so I though I'd ask to see if this was possible or if it is out of reach... -----Original Message----- From: Carlos Fernández Sanz [mailto:cfernandez@m...] Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 2:18 PM To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea. sorphin hacked a ftp server and compiled it for tivo, and it works fine. I'm not positive it's public but I think it is. ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Siegel To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 6:57 AM Subject: RE: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea. Is there any way to allow a Linux ftp server to operate on a TiVo system so that people can log into the drive over TivoNet? -----Original Message----- From: Makhratchev, Konstantin [mailto:konstantin.makhratchev@l...] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 2:00 PM To: 'ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com' Subject: RE: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea. DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) Yep, convert all to 1Mbit DivX. It's not possible to do that real-time yet, but hopefully dual-Athlon systems will be powerfull enough. BTW, there's a new "life" for used notebooks as DivX ;-) players- mine "big blue" 390x (Celery 400) seems to be fast enough for DivX ;-) playback. -----Original Message----- From: markb@y... [mailto:markb@y...] Sent: [Scott Siegel] Wednesday, June 27, 2001 12:51 PM To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea. Unfortunately, video streams are huge and take a very long time to transfer, even at cable modem rates. And, at least with my cable modem, upstream bandwidth is severely limited. (And I know at least one person who was booted from the cable modem service for running a server and sucking up all of the upstream bandwidth.) --- In ExtractStream@y..., "The Nonesuch" wrote: > My current dangerous idea is to buy an old-model TiVo, add TiVoNet, > then ship the box off to a distant friend who A) gets a a lot of > cable channels I cannot receive and B) has cablemodem access. Set it > up to record shows and dump them (with simple compression) back over > the 'net to me. > > With such a setup, I can get shows that are on BBCA (not offered > here) and rare shows found on his local PBS affiliate, etc. > > And just think of the fun I can have when TiVo becomes available in > the UK, Japan, etc- instead of pen pals, we'll trade the ability to > schedule television programs remotely. I'll give you access to > capture on my network if you give me access to one on yours :-) To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ExtractStream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ExtractStream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ExtractStream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ExtractStream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ExtractStream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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Just=20 responding to the technical aspects (not legal aspects) how would a LAN wor= k in=20 regards to TiVo or TiVoNet.  What if you have a few different TiV= o=20 units in the same house... is it possible for a single TiVo (which is regis= tered=20 for subscriptions through TiVo) to handle all the recording and the other T= iVo=20 units simply access the recording unit's hard drive to play material in oth= er=20 rooms in the same house? 
 
For=20 example, I only have one TiVo.  It is in my bedroom, where I have a 20= "=20 TV.  In my living room, I have a 27" Sony Wega, which is much better t= o=20 watch sports on.  My TiVo records these events when I am not home, but= then=20 I have to watch them in the bedroom unless I want to unplug the unit and mo= ve in=20 into another room.  I would be willing to buy another TiVo for $200 bu= t not=20 spend another $200 or whatever they charge now for a second lifetime=20 subscription.  I would LOVE to be able to network the two boxes togeth= er,=20 even if it meant that the second TiVo had no ability to record, so that I c= ould=20 use the second TiVo to watch programs stored on the first TiVo.  In=20 essence, this would create an "entertainment center" where people could hoo= k up=20 a TiVo in one room and play the recorded shows anywhere in their house over= the=20 network.  Some ask, why not just drop a A/V cable into the living room= if=20 you want to watch a show there?  The answer is that I want to be able = to=20 pause, instant replay and fast forward commercials without having to run up= and=20 down stairs.
 
If=20 this could be designed, the ultimate scenario would be:
 
3=20 TiVos.  2 of the simple 14 hour boxes.  The third a dual receiver= =20 DirectTiVo box (the one capable of recording two different channels=20 simultaneously).
Upgrade the third box to a 200 hour TiVo (or bet= ter=20 when larger drives become available), and set all of your season passes, et= c. on=20 this single unit, so that it could then act as a "server" to your home TiVo= =20 network. The other two boxes could be set up in other rooms around the hous= e,=20 networked to the third TiVo so that they have access to the stored=20 programming.  This would be ideal because you have large capacity,=20 simultaneous recording and multiple playback locations.  I can record= =20 football, my girlfriend could record her crap, all simultaneously, and we c= ould=20 even watch them on different TVs simultaneously through the=20 network.
 
What=20 are the theoretical thoughts?
 ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C10161.F4A9AAA0-- From cfernandez@m... Sat Jun 30 15:15:21 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cfernandez@m... X-Apparently-To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 30 Jun 2001 22:15:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 69330 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2001 22:15:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2001 22:15:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO epi.myalert.com) (195.119.207.10) by mta2 with SMTP; 30 Jun 2001 22:15:18 -0000 Received: from 10 ([213.4.18.231]) by epi.myalert.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA13815 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 00:15:12 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <002301c101b2$1e524880$0414a8c0@1...> To: References: Subject: RE: [ExtractStream] Re: My Dangerous Idea - A technical question, not a legal question Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 00:15:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01C101C2.E0C6E960" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Carlos_Fern=E1ndez_Sanz?= ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C101C2.E0C6E960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Scott, Video sharing in a network with enough bandthwidth to do realtime streaming= has been solved for some time already (by Tridge). The problem (for me, an= yway) is how to share programming when bandwidth is scarce and you need the= Tivo that is going to play the program to store it locally first.=20 The approach I'm following is to write a MFS filesystem implementation so I= can just FTP programming. Another approach would be to code a program that= knew how to write into the MFS and have it do both the transfers and the r= ead/write, but I prefer the first approach. Regards, Carlos ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Scott Siegel=20 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 9:41 PM Subject: [ExtractStream] Re: My Dangerous Idea - A technical question, not = a legal question Just responding to the technical aspects (not legal aspects) how would a LA= N work in regards to TiVo or TiVoNet. What if you have a few different TiV= o units in the same house... is it possible for a single TiVo (which is reg= istered for subscriptions through TiVo) to handle all the recording and the= other TiVo units simply access the recording unit's hard drive to play mat= erial in other rooms in the same house?=20=20 For example, I only have one TiVo. It is in my bedroom, where I have a 20"= TV. In my living room, I have a 27" Sony Wega, which is much better to wa= tch sports on. My TiVo records these events when I am not home, but then I= have to watch them in the bedroom unless I want to unplug the unit and mov= e in into another room. I would be willing to buy another TiVo for $200 bu= t not spend another $200 or whatever they charge now for a second lifetime = subscription. I would LOVE to be able to network the two boxes together, e= ven if it meant that the second TiVo had no ability to record, so that I co= uld use the second TiVo to watch programs stored on the first TiVo. In ess= ence, this would create an "entertainment center" where people could hook u= p a TiVo in one room and play the recorded shows anywhere in their house ov= er the network. Some ask, why not just drop a A/V cable into the living ro= om if you want to watch a show there? The answer is that I want to be able= to pause, instant replay and fast forward commercials without having to ru= n up and down stairs. =20 If this could be designed, the ultimate scenario would be: =20 3 TiVos. 2 of the simple 14 hour boxes. The third a dual receiver DirectT= iVo box (the one capable of recording two different channels simultaneously= ). Upgrade the third box to a 200 hour TiVo (or better when larger drives beco= me available), and set all of your season passes, etc. on this single unit,= so that it could then act as a "server" to your home TiVo network. The oth= er two boxes could be set up in other rooms around the house, networked to = the third TiVo so that they have access to the stored programming. This wo= uld be ideal because you have large capacity, simultaneous recording and mu= ltiple playback locations. I can record football, my girlfriend could reco= rd her crap, all simultaneously, and we could even watch them on different = TVs simultaneously through the network. =20 What are the theoretical thoughts? -----Original Message----- From: Carlos Fern=E1ndez Sanz [mailto:cfernandez@m...] Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 2:10 AM To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea. Scott, No. The FTP server only lets you transfer files from mounted filesystem. = At this point there isn't a working implementation of a MFS filesystem (tha= t I'm aware of, anyway). I'm working on one (kinda - I've been very busy la= tely) but as Tridge anticipated I'm up for lots of work... As for the sharing, that's what I'm trying to do from the beginning (I us= ed to live part-time in the US and part-time in Spain, I had tivos in both = countries so obviously it would be quite convinient for me). Regards, Carlos ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Scott Siegel=20 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 1:30 AM Subject: RE: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea. Does this enable users (not on sorphin's TiVo, lets just say a hypothetic= al) to log in and have access to recorded programs? Is it possible to netw= ork TiVo's together so that you could view and play recorded programs off o= f others on this network, like a PC network? Because if someone knew how t= o write software to create an "internet" of TiVo machines, one could techni= cally download and view programs from around the world, and technically sav= e the data stream to a PC for future archive, lets say as an MPEG-2 or as D= ivX as previously mentioned. =20=20=20 If this sounds like a possibility (and why not, if the tivo's are compute= rs and have network cards so it should be possible) TiVo users could create= networks of their TiVo's and perhaps Linux systems to help run an interfac= e (e.g. a program or interface on a networked linux system which could copy= from timmy's tivo device at ip x to my tivo device at ip y) which would en= able people without cable to have access to a variety of programming (i hav= e directv and my girlfriend makes me subscribe to almost every program opti= on, so this isnt my motivation) or people living in different regions to ha= ve access to local programming across the globe. Additionally, if you miss= a program (conflicts) there is a good possibility that someone else would = have recorded it and you could grab a copy of it. Oh, and another thought.= .. with so many people hacking their boxes to expand the max recording tim= e to 200 hrs. i'm sure most people have the space to store a week or two wo= rth of select programming. This creates a Napster like network where you c= ould search the network for archived programs and elect to save them to dis= k. Also, if the network was constructed, you could use removable drives in= the linux system to archive older programs making accessable to requests i= n the future. =20=20=20 Just a few ideas, none of which I imagine are legal, but hey, this is a f= orum, so I though I'd ask to see if this was possible or if it is out of re= ach... =20=20=20 -----Original Message----- From: Carlos Fern=E1ndez Sanz [mailto:cfernandez@m...] Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 2:18 PM To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea. sorphin hacked a ftp server and compiled it for tivo, and it works fine= .=20 I'm not positive it's public but I think it is. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Scott Siegel=20 To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 6:57 AM Subject: RE: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea. Is there any way to allow a Linux ftp server to operate on a TiVo syste= m so that people can log into the drive over TivoNet? -----Original Message----- From: Makhratchev, Konstantin [mailto:konstantin.makhratchev@l...= m] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 2:00 PM To: 'ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com' Subject: RE: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea. DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) Yep, convert all to 1Mbit DivX. It's not possible to do that real-time yet, but hopefully dual-Athlon systems will be powerfull enough. BTW, there's a new "life" for used notebooks as DivX ;-) players- mine "big blue" 390x (Celery 400) seems to be fast enough for DivX ;-) playback. -----Original Message----- From: markb@y... [mailto:markb@y...] Sent:=20 [Scott Siegel]=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Wednesday, June 27, 2001 12:51 PM To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea. Unfortunately, video streams are huge and take a very long time to=20 transfer, even at cable modem rates. And, at least with my cable=20 modem, upstream bandwidth is severely limited. (And I know at least= =20 one person who was booted from the cable modem service for running a= =20 server and sucking up all of the upstream bandwidth.) --- In ExtractStream@y..., "The Nonesuch" wrote: > My current dangerous idea is to buy an old-model TiVo, add TiVoNet,= =20 > then ship the box off to a distant friend who A) gets a a lot of > cable channels I cannot receive and B) has cablemodem access. Set i= t=20 > up to record shows and dump them (with simple compression) back ove= r=20 > the 'net to me. >=20 > With such a setup, I can get shows that are on BBCA (not offered > here) and rare shows found on his local PBS affiliate, etc. >=20 > And just think of the fun I can have when TiVo becomes available in= =20 > the UK, Japan, etc- instead of pen pals, we'll trade the ability to= =20 > schedule television programs remotely. I'll give you access to > capture on my network if you give me access to one on yours :-) To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ExtractStream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.= =20 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ExtractStream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ExtractStream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ExtractStream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ExtractStream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ExtractStream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C101C2.E0C6E960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Scott,
 
Video sharing in a network with enough ban= dthwidth=20 to do realtime streaming has been solved for some time already (by Tri= dge).=20 The problem (for me, anyway) is how to share programming when bandwidth is= =20 scarce and you need the Tivo that is going to play the program to store it= =20 locally first.
 
The approach I'm following is to write a M= FS=20 filesystem implementation so I can just FTP programming. Another approach w= ould=20 be to code a program that knew how to write into the MFS and have it d= o=20 both the transfers and the read/write, but I prefer the first=20 approach.
 
Regards,
Carlos
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Scott Siege= l=20
To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 9:41 PM
Subject: [ExtractStream] Re: My Dangerous Idea - A technical=20 question, not a legal question

Just=20 responding to the technical aspects (not legal aspects) how would a LAN wor= k in=20 regards to TiVo or TiVoNet.  What if you have a few different TiV= o=20 units in the same house... is it possible for a single TiVo (which is regis= tered=20 for subscriptions through TiVo) to handle all the recording and the other T= iVo=20 units simply access the recording unit's hard drive to play material in oth= er=20 rooms in the same house? 
 
For=20 example, I only have one TiVo.  It is in my bedroom, where I have a 20= "=20 TV.  In my living room, I have a 27" Sony Wega, which is much better t= o=20 watch sports on.  My TiVo records these events when I am not home, but= then=20 I have to watch them in the bedroom unless I want to unplug the unit and mo= ve in=20 into another room.  I would be willing to buy another TiVo for $200 bu= t not=20 spend another $200 or whatever they charge now for a second lifetime=20 subscription.  I would LOVE to be able to network the two boxes togeth= er,=20 even if it meant that the second TiVo had no ability to record, so that I c= ould=20 use the second TiVo to watch programs stored on the first TiVo.  In=20 essence, this would create an "entertainment center" where people could hoo= k up=20 a TiVo in one room and play the recorded shows anywhere in their house over= the=20 network.  Some ask, why not just drop a A/V cable into the living room= if=20 you want to watch a show there?  The answer is that I want to be able = to=20 pause, instant replay and fast forward commercials without having to run up= and=20 down stairs.
 
If=20 this could be designed, the ultimate scenario would be:
 
3=20 TiVos.  2 of the simple 14 hour boxes.  The third a dual receiver= =20 DirectTiVo box (the one capable of recording two different channels=20 simultaneously).
Upgrade the third box to a 200 hour TiVo (or bet= ter=20 when larger drives become available), and set all of your season passes, et= c. on=20 this single unit, so that it could then act as a "server" to your home TiVo= =20 network. The other two boxes could be set up in other rooms around the hous= e,=20 networked to the third TiVo so that they have access to the stored=20 programming.  This would be ideal because you have large capacity,=20 simultaneous recording and multiple playback locations.  I can record= =20 football, my girlfriend could record her crap, all simultaneously, and we c= ould=20 even watch them on different TVs simultaneously through the=20 network.
 
What=20 are the theoretical thoughts?
-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos Fern=E1ndez Sa= nz=20 [mailto:cfernandez@m...]
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 2= :10=20 AM
To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE:=20 [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea.

Scott,
 
No. The FTP server only lets you transfe= r files=20 from mounted filesystem. At this point there isn't a working implementati= on of=20 a MFS filesystem (that I'm aware of, anyway). I'm working on one (kinda -= I've=20 been very busy lately) but as Tridge anticipated I'm up for lots of=20 work...
 
As for the sharing, that's what I'm tryi= ng to do=20 from the beginning (I used to live part-time in the US and part-time in S= pain,=20 I had tivos in both countries so obviously it would be quite convinient f= or=20 me).
 
Regards,
Carlos
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Scott Sie= gel=20
To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com <= /DIV>
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 1:30 AM
Subject: RE: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea.

Does=20 this enable users (not on sorphin's TiVo, lets just say a hypothetical) t= o log=20 in and have access to recorded programs?  Is it possible to network= =20 TiVo's together so that you could view and play recorded programs off of= =20 others on this network, like a PC network?  Because if someone knew = how=20 to write software to create an "internet" of TiVo machines, one could=20 technically download and view programs from around the world, and technic= ally=20 save the data stream to a PC for future archive, lets say as an MPEG-2 or= as=20 DivX as previously mentioned.
 
If=20 this sounds like a possibility (and why not, if the tivo's are computers = and=20 have network cards so it should be possible) TiVo users could create= =20 networks of their TiVo's and perhaps Linux systems to help run an interfa= ce=20 (e.g. a program or interface on a networked linux system which could copy= from=20 timmy's tivo device at ip x to my tivo device at ip y) which would enable= =20 people without cable to have access to a variety of programming (i have=20 directv and my girlfriend makes me subscribe to almost every program opti= on,=20 so this isnt my motivation) or people living in different regions to have= =20 access to local programming across the globe.  Additionally, if you = miss=20 a program (conflicts) there is a good possibility that someone else would= have=20 recorded it and you could grab a copy of it.  Oh, and another=20 thought...  with so many people hacking their boxes to expand the ma= x=20 recording time to 200 hrs. i'm sure most people have the space to store a= week=20 or two worth of select programming.  This creates a Napster like net= work=20 where you could search the network for archived programs and elect to sav= e=20 them to disk.  Also, if the network was constructed, you could use=20 removable drives in the linux system to archive older programs making=20 accessable to requests in the future.
 
Just=20 a few ideas, none of which I imagine are legal, but hey, this is a forum,= so I=20 though I'd ask to see if this was possible or if it is out of=20 reach...
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos Fern=E1ndez = Sanz=20 [mailto:cfernandez@m...]
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001= 2:18=20 PM
To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE:=20 [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea.

sorphin hacked a ftp server and compil= ed it for=20 tivo, and it works fine.
I'm not positive it's public but I thi= nk it=20 is.
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Scott S= iegel=20
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 6:57 AM
Subject: RE: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea.

Is=20 there any way to allow a Linux ftp server to operate on a TiVo system s= o=20 that people can log into the drive over TivoNet?
-----Original Message-----
From: Makhratchev, Kons= tantin=20 [mailto:konstantin.ma= khratchev@l...]
Sent:=20 Wednesday, June 27, 2001 2:00 PM
To: 'ExtractStream@y...= roups.com'
Subject:=20 RE: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea.

DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-)= DivX=20 ;-)

Yep, convert all to 1Mbit DivX. It's not possible to do=20 that
real-time yet, but hopefully dual-Athlon systems will=20 be
powerfull enough.

BTW, there's a new "life" for used=20 notebooks as DivX ;-) players-
mine "big blue" 390x (Celery 400) s= eems=20 to be fast enough for
DivX ;-) playback.

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: markb@y... [mailto:markb@y...]
Sen= t:=20
[Scott=20 Siegel] 
 
 
 Wednesday, Jun= e 27,=20 2001 12:51 PM
To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com
Subject:=20 [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea.


Unfortunately, vide= o=20 streams are huge and take a very long time to
transfer, even at c= able=20 modem rates.  And, at least with my cable
modem, upstream=20 bandwidth is severely limited.  (And I know at least
one per= son=20 who was booted from the cable modem service for running a
server = and=20 sucking up all of the upstream bandwidth.)

--- In=20 ExtractStream@y..., "The Nonesuch" <nonesuch773@y...> wrote:>=20 My current dangerous idea is to buy an old-model TiVo, add TiVoNet,=20
> then ship the box off to a distant friend who A) gets a a lo= t=20 of
> cable channels I cannot receive and B) has cablemodem acce= ss.=20 Set it
> up to record shows and dump them (with simple compres= sion)=20 back over
> the 'net to me.
>
> With such a setup= , I=20 can get shows that are on BBCA (not offered
> here) and rare sh= ows=20 found on his local PBS affiliate, etc.
>
> And just thin= k of=20 the fun I can have when TiVo becomes available in
> the UK, Ja= pan,=20 etc- instead of pen pals, we'll trade the ability to
> schedul= e=20 television programs remotely. I'll give you access to
> capture= on=20 my network if you give me access to one on yours=20 :-)



To unsubscribe from this group, send an e= mail=20 to:
ExtractStream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com



=
-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos Fern=E1ndez Sa= nz=20 [mailto:cfernandez@m...]
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 2= :10=20 AM
To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE:=20 [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea.

Scott,
 
No. The FTP server only lets you transfe= r files=20 from mounted filesystem. At this point there isn't a working implementati= on of=20 a MFS filesystem (that I'm aware of, anyway). I'm working on one (kinda -= I've=20 been very busy lately) but as Tridge anticipated I'm up for lots of=20 work...
 
As for the sharing, that's what I'm tryi= ng to do=20 from the beginning (I used to live part-time in the US and part-time in S= pain,=20 I had tivos in both countries so obviously it would be quite convinient f= or=20 me).
 
Regards,
Carlos
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Scott Sie= gel=20
To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com <= /DIV>
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 1:30 AM
Subject: RE: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea.

Does=20 this enable users (not on sorphin's TiVo, lets just say a hypothetical) t= o log=20 in and have access to recorded programs?  Is it possible to network= =20 TiVo's together so that you could view and play recorded programs off of= =20 others on this network, like a PC network?  Because if someone knew = how=20 to write software to create an "internet" of TiVo machines, one could=20 technically download and view programs from around the world, and technic= ally=20 save the data stream to a PC for future archive, lets say as an MPEG-2 or= as=20 DivX as previously mentioned.
 
If=20 this sounds like a possibility (and why not, if the tivo's are computers = and=20 have network cards so it should be possible) TiVo users could create= =20 networks of their TiVo's and perhaps Linux systems to help run an interfa= ce=20 (e.g. a program or interface on a networked linux system which could copy= from=20 timmy's tivo device at ip x to my tivo device at ip y) which would enable= =20 people without cable to have access to a variety of programming (i have=20 directv and my girlfriend makes me subscribe to almost every program opti= on,=20 so this isnt my motivation) or people living in different regions to have= =20 access to local programming across the globe.  Additionally, if you = miss=20 a program (conflicts) there is a good possibility that someone else would= have=20 recorded it and you could grab a copy of it.  Oh, and another=20 thought...  with so many people hacking their boxes to expand the ma= x=20 recording time to 200 hrs. i'm sure most people have the space to store a= week=20 or two worth of select programming.  This creates a Napster like net= work=20 where you could search the network for archived programs and elect to sav= e=20 them to disk.  Also, if the network was constructed, you could use=20 removable drives in the linux system to archive older programs making=20 accessable to requests in the future.
 
Just=20 a few ideas, none of which I imagine are legal, but hey, this is a forum,= so I=20 though I'd ask to see if this was possible or if it is out of=20 reach...
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos Fern=E1ndez = Sanz=20 [mailto:cfernandez@m...]
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001= 2:18=20 PM
To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE:=20 [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea.

sorphin hacked a ftp server and compil= ed it for=20 tivo, and it works fine.
I'm not positive it's public but I thi= nk it=20 is.
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Scott S= iegel=20
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 6:57 AM
Subject: RE: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea.

Is=20 there any way to allow a Linux ftp server to operate on a TiVo system s= o=20 that people can log into the drive over TivoNet?
-----Original Message-----
From: Makhratchev, Kons= tantin=20 [mailto:konstantin.ma= khratchev@l...]
Sent:=20 Wednesday, June 27, 2001 2:00 PM
To: 'ExtractStream@y...= roups.com'
Subject:=20 RE: [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea.

DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-) DivX ;-)= DivX=20 ;-)

Yep, convert all to 1Mbit DivX. It's not possible to do=20 that
real-time yet, but hopefully dual-Athlon systems will=20 be
powerfull enough.

BTW, there's a new "life" for used=20 notebooks as DivX ;-) players-
mine "big blue" 390x (Celery 400) s= eems=20 to be fast enough for
DivX ;-) playback.

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: markb@y... [mailto:markb@y...]
Sen= t:=20
[Scott=20 Siegel] 
 
 
 Wednesday, Jun= e 27,=20 2001 12:51 PM
To: ExtractStream@yahoogroups.com
Subject:=20 [ExtractStream] Re: My dangerous idea.


Unfortunately, vide= o=20 streams are huge and take a very long time to
transfer, even at c= able=20 modem rates.  And, at least with my cable
modem, upstream=20 bandwidth is severely limited.  (And I know at least
one per= son=20 who was booted from the cable modem service for running a
server = and=20 sucking up all of the upstream bandwidth.)

--- In=20 ExtractStream@y..., "The Nonesuch" <nonesuch773@y...> wrote:>=20 My current dangerous idea is to buy an old-model TiVo, add TiVoNet,=20
> then ship the box off to a distant friend who A) gets a a lo= t=20 of
> cable channels I cannot receive and B) has cablemodem acce= ss.=20 Set it
> up to record shows and dump them (with simple compres= sion)=20 back over
> the 'net to me.
>
> With such a setup= , I=20 can get shows that are on BBCA (not offered
> here) and rare sh= ows=20 found on his local PBS affiliate, etc.
>
> And just thin= k of=20 the fun I can have when TiVo becomes available in
> the UK, Ja= pan,=20 etc- instead of pen pals, we'll trade the ability to
> schedul= e=20 television programs remotely. I'll give you access to
> capture= on=20 my network if you give me access to one on yours=20 :-)



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