Directivo, TivoNET, and ExtractStream

[benr@e...]

So,if you are able to dump to VCR shouldn't you be able to look and 
see what processes are used to do that and then replicate them but 
direct the output to another output device instead of using 
the /dev/*** used for analog output?

Just a thought, but i think I will take a serious look at it...


--- In ExtractStream@y..., tivo_extract@p... wrote:
> --- In ExtractStream@y..., markb@y... wrote:
> > --- In ExtractStream@y..., tivo_extract@p... wrote:
> > > In addition to this, if my belief that the DirecTiVO box itself
> > > removes the macrovision encoding, anyone using an extrator to 
get
> > > the stream off the box would not be liable for unencrypting the
> > > data - DirecTV did it themselves.
> > 
> > I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure Macrovision isn't anything 
that 
> > could be confused with encryption. It's just some extra "noise" 
in 
> > the analog output that confuses VCRs. With DVDs, it's basically 
> just 
> > a flag that tells the DVD player that is should add the 
> > Macrovision "noise" to the video output. If DirecTV supports 
> > Macrovision, it probably works in a similar way. But I'm not 
even 
> > sure if DirecTV support Macrovision.
> 
> because of the DMCA, Macrovision would be considered encryption. 
> basically anything done to stop someone from gaining access to 
> original content is considered encryption. If I had a book, and 
put 
> it in a taped up box, that would be considered encryption. Pretty 
> amazing, huh? The CSS encryption on DVDs is not much more complex 
> than Macrovision encoding. I have a perl script that is less than 
> 500 characters long that will decrypt a DVD.
> 
> As for DirecTV supporting macrovision, I am pretty sure that all of 
> the directv broadcasts are encoded with macrovision.
> 
> If I were directv, I definitely wouldn't broadcast a clear MPEG2 
> stream.
> 
> > Has anybody here come across any DirecTV programming that they 
had 
> > trouble recording with a VCR? I would suspect that if DirecTV 
were 
> > to use Macrovision it would be on the PPV channels.
> 
> I have not tried recording anything from the DirecTV reciever. The 
> only reciever I have is the DirecTV/TiVO receiver, which DOES allow 
> you to dump the stored video to VHS, and does quite well.
> 
> It still seems to me that as a consumer purchasing the broadcast, I 
> should be able to use that broadcast for my own personal viewing in 
> the same format that I receive it. I find it amazing that they can 
> justify allowing me to leave it on the TiVO, but NOT allow me to 
view 
> the same data from another machine.
> 
> Imagine buying a package of batteries, and using them in your 
> radio.... but then realize you need some batteries in your 
> flashlight, but you're unable to use the batteries from the radio, 
> because they are only "licensed" for use in one device. This is 
the 
> same sort of convoluted legalities that we are delaing with here.
> 
> --Eric